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Marilyne · May 22, 2021, 10:33:50 PM

Mary Page - Members often comment on a message that they posted, and then when they go back later to see if there are any new messages, they see that their's has disappeared! A couple of times, I have accidentally hit the delete key, with my little finger, and then my post is gone forever. Other times, I think people forget to click the Post box, and then the message is gone. I know it's frustrating and maddening, but it happens to all of us.

Tome - good to see your post tonight. The name, Sheppard Strudwick, didn't sound at all familiar to me. I looked him up on Google, and recognized his face right away, but never knew his name. Looks like he was was in dozens of TV shows over the years. Definitely a nice looking man!

I hope we hear from Jenny tonight, that Michele is doing better, and getting stronger?

so_P_bubble · May 23, 2021, 02:25:20 AM

Posting for MaryPage

https://www.seniorsandfriends.org/index.php?topic=384.msg198305#msg198305

so_P_bubble · May 23, 2021, 02:27:08 AM

I found that when I have a disappeared post it is often because I forgot to -or not properly - clicked on 'post'.[ Usually it is because I am multi tasking

MarsGal · May 23, 2021, 07:54:57 AM

My Mom swooned over Louis Jourdan, her very favorite. My ex was named after Leslie Howard. Favorite female actors included Kim Novak and Audrey Hepburn. Male movie stars included George C. Scott, Patrick McGoohan, Sean Connery and James Garner.

MaryPage · May 23, 2021, 10:49:17 AM

I recently watched the original MY FAIR LADY on television, and found every speck of it fresh and wonderful. Audrey Hepburn was so young, and as thin as a reed. She was exquisitely beautiful, and I cannot think of anyone her equal in today's movies. But then, quite honestly, I cannot watch most, get that: MOST, of today's movies. The violence, the language, the invasion of privacy in the matter of sex. My privacy! I have a right to NOT have to see other people naked and enacting sexual acts. I remember there used to be standards and Hollywood had to stay within the rules laid down, and no one complained. Do you remember when you NEVER saw a couple in a double bed, even?!! They had to have twin beds! I guess they probably took all that to court with the complaint that their freedom to express their artistic sensibilities were unfairly shackled by these laws. My own rule of thumb is my own family. We never shouted at one another or used foul language. As for violence, I did, as a very small child, get spanked on my bare bottom with a hair brush. I have always felt that was as much violence as I ever wanted to experience, and that was most definitely UNwanted. Looking back, I expect my parents and grandparents were raised with that same ritual.

Marilyne · May 23, 2021, 12:48:49 PM

MarsGal - I have known quite a few Leslie's - one of which was my great-uncle, born in the 1890's. So it's an old name, that has had upticks of popularity over the years for both men and women. A similar name for men is Wesley. Two Wesley's in my family - one being my maternal grandfather's middle name - Charles Wesley.

Mary Page - Sorry to say that I missed My Fair Lady, when it played a few weeks ago on TCM. It's a joyful musical, and I always love watching it. All musicals from the 50's and 60's are such fun, and so beautiful in all of their technicolor splendor! I'm partial to The Music Man, and Oklahoma, but enjoy all the others as well. I'm in agreement with you concerning the violence, detailed sex, and repeated use of four letter words, in today's movies. I'm afraid it's here to stay, and will only get worse. (If that's possible!) I'm afraid it's only our generation who is uncomfortable, and that the younger folks expect and like all those graphic scenes and the foul language? Thanks so much to Turner Classic Movies, for preserving and continuing to show the wonderful films from the past. Not only the musicals, but the dramatic love stories like A Place in the Sun, the family dramas like, Giant, and all the Hitchcock thrillers, the Westerns, the War movies, and the comedies.

I saw those two darling five-year-olds on the, Photos Old and New folder, and then the talk about the popularity of names . . . both current and from times past! One of my favorite subjects, so I will return later with my thoughts on that subject, and also some names of family members - both old and young.

CallieOK · May 23, 2021, 01:01:14 PM

I've always loved any movie musical from my "younger years"- particularly those by MGM with Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly and Donald O'Connor.

Re: popular names. I remember one year when there were 4 Mikes and a Mark in the 2nd grade class I was teaching. Don't remember how I kept things straight as to whom I was speaking but we managed.

Agree on TCM continuing to show good films from the past and also agree about being uncomfortable with today's graphic scenes and foul language.

Wishing Everyfriend Everywhere an Enjoyable Day.

patricia19 · May 23, 2021, 01:25:08 PM

Sex and foul language aren't new to this era. Until the nineteenth century, its use, either blatant or hidden, came in or out of popularity, such as before and after the Victorian era.

Or King Charles and the Puritans. And I'm sure that trend of openness or concealment will continue. It hasn't been all that long in the scheme of things that society didn't welcome actors and artists in polite society.

Misbehaving Children in Ancient Times; there is a great quote by Plato or Socrates about children's misbehavior in antiquity. The quote shows that the problems between generations are not just a recent occurrence. "The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."

CallieOK · May 23, 2021, 02:14:26 PM

I recently read "Forbidden Hollywood: The Pre Code Era (1930-1934)" by Mark A. Viera. It gives the history of how the standards we' remember came about.
I suspect older folks were complaining back in olden times much as we do today. What's foul language at one point becomes "slang" as time goes by..IMHO

patricia19 · May 23, 2021, 02:34:39 PM

The oldest I've seen came from a Mesopotamia king in the 3rd. Century B.C.

In the Soda Shop, I upset someone because one of her expressions had that type of background.

I no longer go to movies, pre-pandemic, because of the audience yelling at the screen or odd, sticky floors. I don't own a TV as I never actually turned it on when I had one. I do occasionally enjoy something on YouTube.

With books or my Kindle, I tend to skip over the salacious parts.

shirleyn · May 23, 2021, 11:32:40 PM

I would like to sneak in here to wish MaryPage a HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Hoping you have a wonderful day and just know your family will make sure you do.

Shirleyn
~_~

Denver · May 24, 2021, 12:37:58 AM

Sunday night already..... and I must at least say HELLO.

Way too much going on around here these days. I always have good intentions of what all I plan to accomplish each day, but for some reason I tire out and have to give in for the day.

Tomorrow I see my surgeon for my 6 week check up on my shoulder. I have done very well with my exercises and my PT thinks the surgeon will be pleased. I just hope he will allow me to have another month of at home physical therapy. I am still feeling much too unsteady to be out and about in a gym type setting.

Son Dave had his 50th Birthday the 21st. Of course there was no big celebration but we did get together for a meal and birthday cake. Michele is very frail and it is heartbreaking 💔

SHIRLEY, I am sorry to read that your BIL passed away. I do hope one of your sons were able to go with you to the service and that you are home safe.

I have read all of the wonderful posts and loved each and everyone of them. Many brought back great memories.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY WISHES MARYPAGE

Pleasant dreams to all.

Jenny

Vanilla-Jackie · May 24, 2021, 12:52:49 AM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Mary Page...I know it will be a good one as you have a very large family around you...

Jenny...i am glad your Michele is back in her own home, although sad that no 50th celebrations took place due to the situation which is understandable...

Vanilla-Jackie · May 24, 2021, 12:57:31 AM

Well i need to make a phone call to GP when the surgery opens as i have an oozing yellow-brown discharge, under breast lump...Edited: i give up, phoning GP surgery 8.45 am...i am number 20 in the hold queue, and my phone calls are costing ME money, not even a free-call, the message also incorporated 2 minutes of non stop chit-chat, whether our phone call is necessary, it can be done online, and where the parking is, and come to the surgery wearing a face mask, etc, etc...Do you remember those days when we phoned our GP surgery and got a live voice ( the receptionist ) straight away., and got our appointment to see our Doctor straight away...and there was only two Doctors in that surgery, unlike a dozen or so at my new surgery...

...Oh and i am still waiting on my Multiple Sclerosis MRI scan results from March, coming from the MS Clinician from a hospital not my GP surgery, told two weeks ago by his secretary a letter was on its way to me and i should receive it in a week, still playing the waiting game.....

Edited: done an online consult, says they will respond within 2 days...oh well guess i will phone and speak to a live voice later today as well when they are not so busy, i will not waste my phone bill on being number 20 in their hold queue...and they tell us if we suspect cancer, not to delay it...
...I will be moving home soon but this surgery still will remain my surgery...

Edited again...
...i have a friend mid 80's who sadly is not got long left in this world...I phoned her, or rather her live in daughter answered, and told me on the phone yesterday that so many people-organisations are now involved and she and moms hubby ( he too is now having treatment for bowel cancer ) are trying to get my friend into a carehome, as she now wont eat and daughter is feeding her with a spoon, told me mom has now gone down to weighing 6 & a half stone...I feel my friend has given up, her daughter agrees...My friend has had many trips in an out of hospital for various things including having a lot of her stomach removed...Daughter said mom is not wanting to speak to anyone on the phone, and i briefly spoke to my friends hubby a few minutes ago says she is just staring into space...

....gave my GP surgery another try, after the usual 2 minutes of recorded chit-chat i am now number 21 in the hold queue and the time of day i made this call was 12.50 pm....i put the phone down...

MaryPage · May 24, 2021, 10:30:20 AM

Oh, Jackie! Yes, your friend has given up. She wants to quit. A Carehome sounds a dreadful solution, as she obviously just wants to be left alone to find her way out of this world. I hope she makes it before they arrive to uproot her from her familiar surroundings and family.

Thank you for the birthday greetings. Yep, 92 today. I plan to just stay home and receive the calls and packages. Becky has sent me 50 white roses, and they fill 3 vases in the living room and foyer. A neighbor dropped off a card and Kathryn, Anne and Debi have called. Debi will be by at one-thirty with some spumoni, and I will dive into that with the greatest Joy. To me, Spumoni is Heaven on Earth!

Have a lovely day, each and all. And again, thanks for the good wishes.

Marilyne · May 24, 2021, 10:57:47 AM

Mary Page - Birthday Greetings to you!. Hoping you have a wonderful day, and that you'll celebrate with a nice dinner out, at your favorite restaurant. You'll probably spend most of the day talking on the phone to family members, and other well wishers!

Shirleyn - Good to see you checking in last night. Hope you're feeling well, and enjoying baseball season! Please return and join in the conversation.

Jackie - So sorry to see that you have a new painful and unpleasant health problem to deal with. When you finally hear from a doctor, they will likely give you a round of antibiotics again. I didn't realize you had not heard back yet on your March MRI. That seems like a long time to wait, but try to keep positive, that when you finally get the results, that they will be good!

Jenny - I was pleased to see your message last night. Hard to believe that it's already time for your six weeks check with your shoulder surgeon, and hoping to hear from you, that he is pleased with your progress!
Warm and positive thoughts going out to Michele this morning, that she will get stronger as the days move forward. ❤️

CallieOK · May 24, 2021, 11:20:31 AM

MaryPage

Oh, Jackie, I'm so sorry about your health concerns and the wait time on your phone calls.

Jenny, sounds as if you're doing well with your shoulder recuperation. Bless Michelle; she is amazing.

Wishing Everyfriend Everywhere a Merry Monday.

Shirley · May 24, 2021, 11:26:05 AM

Belated Happy Birthday, Mary Page! I thought I checked in last night but one of those times when you operate on AUTO and find out something wasn't working.

92 is a good number so keep on keeping on! Sounds like the family is treating you pretty good. I have had spumoni one time (at Italian Garden in KC) but don't recall what it tasted like. Will have to Google to see what makes it so different.

Jackie, sorry more problems. As someone said, "these Golden Years" should have been called "the Rusty Years". Hope you get help soon. I remember even back in the mid-'50s (when we lived in England) my neighbor said "to get doctor help was nearly impossible, that too many just went & sat in the doctors offices because it was a good place to VISIT." Now that people can't sit around & visit I expect they are trying to make appointments. 'Tis a sad world and hope the next year will be better.

Have to get out my weed whip & do some trimming in the berm, yard guys will be here today & they don't mess around in the berm. With all this rain everything looks like a jungle.

Jenny, belated "Happy Birthday" to your baby. Sorry Michele is so fragile, she is an amazing person but so is that son of yours as he fights so hard to keep her with them. Do hope you get your body shaped up so you & Bob can do more traveling. How is your father doing?

I'd better get moving since my outside jobs need to get done before the yard guys come! I'm going to pick a big bag of lettuce, endive, spinace to take to Andy & Pam. They are loving it & I don't have time to clean today so hope they "love it" as much when they have to clean it!

Oops, you got in before I could post, Callie! A Merry Monday to you, too.

patricia19 · May 24, 2021, 12:59:14 PM

Good morning everyone!

Jenny, happy belated birthday to Dave from me, and I too hope Michele feels stronger. Happy ninety-second, MaryPage!

MaryPage · May 24, 2021, 06:54:53 PM

Daughter Debi was here. She brought Spumoni from Maggiano's, and Lasagna, and I have traded my Lasagna for Chip's Spumoni, there being a commandment in this house that there shalt be no Spumoni without my having First Dibs on it.

She, Debi, picked up a small squarish box and handed it to me as she left. FedEx had delivered it. I wish so hard she had stayed to see it opened. Now, it happens Chip has taken over the box opening department here, and I have been retired from that profession, as I have seriously almost lost a finger once and a thumb another time. So I handed the box to Chip, who, despite all of his credentials, had a hard time. Finally, he managed to find the right side, and then announced that the small box had a smaller one inside of it.

The smaller box, I was certain as can be, held a mug. Only it didn't. Only it Must! It was just the right size. So, looking over every side of this white, white box covered in blue, green, yellow and red balloons (pictures of balloons), he found a very short ribbon pull-me. So, with the two of us standing facing one another, and mebbe a foot or so apart, he pulled the ribbon. This lifted the lid of what we shall call the 2nd box, and There was a photo of the Grant Family, cut to size. Yep, grinning insanely at us were Adam, Melissa, Bella, Will & Miles. Chip pulled further, and little tightly folded up yellow boxes leapt from under the lid of the box. Leapt. It felt like, and looked like, a bombing. Four little yellow boxes. Deep enamel yellow. One final tug, and a shower of very light weight little circles in many, many colors shot upwards toward the ceiling and then down over EVERYthing. Seriously, everything. We will be picking them up until 8 weeks from Tuesday.

Still more to come. Chip fished out of the now released DRAWER inside the lower part of Box # 2 and found a chocolate covered chocolate cupcake, complete with a birthday candle.

Oh, we laughed and laughed. It may well be the most expensive cupcake EVer, but well worth it for the SURPRISE! Hurrah for Adam and Melissa and Annabelle and Willem and Miles Gregory James Grant.

Melissa is one of my granddaughters, while Bella, Will & Miles are great grands.

Marilyne · May 24, 2021, 10:17:39 PM

Mary Page - Such fun and thoughtful gifts from your daughter Debi, and family. First the spumoni, then the family picture, and finally the chocolate cupcake! A perfect choice of presents for a 92nd birthday!

patricia19 · May 24, 2021, 11:31:57 PM

That must have been some giftbox! And it's opening a treat for the bystanders as well as the recipient!

MaryPage · May 25, 2021, 01:14:24 AM

Here is where Melissa got the cupcake.

https://sendacake.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwna2FBhDPARIsACAEc_VpGrtrvSijOipSoB4q8F2eaxcd-9yULwN0zNSdrs9spqAjq1xDiNsaAs4QEALw_wcB

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Vanilla-Jackie · May 25, 2021, 03:39:02 AM

Off to get my taxi 10 minutes for my GP surgery 9.am appointment...I also want to talk ( if i am given time in my 10 minute slot ) to talk about my worsening mental state, depression, stress, and deteriorating Primary Progressive MS ( my central nervous system ) and the fact i am in the process of moving home again, this will be twice in the past 10 months....

Edited: i am back from my GP surgery...and yes i broke down crying...At least the ( what was weeping ) breast lump is just a fungal infection, not cancerous, both female Doctors in room agreed with each other...Been given a cream to rub onto it twice a day....Daktarin ( antifungal group )...My mother died of breast cancer...the reason of my fear...

patricia19 · May 25, 2021, 01:20:29 PM

How delightful! I think that would be a big surprise!

Vanilla-Jackie · May 25, 2021, 03:08:17 PM

Marilyne-Callie-Shirley...
...thank you for your concern over my worry that it might had been cancerous, and relieved to hear they are sure it is not..I am sure my mood will swing the other way once i move to my next home next week, which is a bungalow with a nice back garden, stepping out onto flat ground- grass....just sitting outside and hearing-looking at birds will be the best medicine for me, far better than being cooped up in an apartment block with no back door, having just the one door which opens onto a carpeted hallway...Yes i welcome fresh air with doors open, and birds visiting and birds singing, and knowing i am not too far away, i can even start buying birdfeeders and birdseed again...This has to be a step in the right direction to healing myself...as they say, if it is meant to happen, it will happen...

Mary Page...
... i had to look up Spumoni, not something i was familiar with, and what i see is making my mouth water.....

MaryPage · May 25, 2021, 05:25:42 PM

Jackie, that is such good news about the absence of cancer.

I, too, think the move will do you a world of good.

All of the Spumoni I have ever known consisted of a very chocolatety gelato (Italian ice cream) with a delicious pistachio gelato with a brandied cherry gelato. Red cherries in vanilla gelato. The combo is a real treat for my taste buds. Gelato contains less fat than ice cream.

This is Commissioning Week here in Annapolis. The Blue Angels roared in for their practice this morning. They broke for lunch, and no doubt refueling, and then came back again. The big show comes at two o'clock tomorrow. The bay waters outside of my apartment will be so filled with boats anchored to watch the angels, you would swear you could step from one boat to the other. All of the charter boats take a pack of people out. Their show is a real heart-stopping one.

On Friday, Vice President Harris will come down and give the commencement speech. Heaps of full-time residents will have left the city for the week, or moved in with relatives, while renting out their homes. A pretty penny can be made. Parents are so proud they are about to bust their buttons, so no expense is spared. After all, their kid not only made it through the rigerous 4 year program, but it did not cost them, and there is no indebtedness. Unless you count the, I think it is 5 years, they have promised to serve their country.

Then our town will be fairly quiet, except for the tourists. At least until the new plebes arrive next month.

Vanilla-Jackie · May 25, 2021, 05:32:26 PM

Mary Page...
...your Blue Angels are equivalent to our Red Arrows...only yours is Navy aerobatic team, where ours is Air force aerobatic team...

Marilyne · May 25, 2021, 07:17:03 PM

Mary Page - I'm wondering, just what is the difference in gelato and spumoni? I haven't had the pleasure of tasting either one, but now I'm looking forward to both. I'll have to figure out where to go, for good sample of each? Any special creamery or brand that might also be available out here on the West Coast?
Sounds like Commissioning Week, is an exciting tradition in Annapolis. Can you watch the Blue Angels from your outside balcony? They are usually doing their show here in Northern California, sometime around the Fourth of July.

Jackie - I'm glad to hear that the lump under your breast, is not anything serious. I'm sure it's still painful, and something that must be dealt with, but now that you have the doctor's prescription, it should be better soon. Looking ahead to your upcoming move to the bungalow with a yard, will give you something positive to look forward to.

MaryPage · May 25, 2021, 08:58:45 PM

Marilyne, gelato is very like ice cream, but it is usually made with much less fat (cream). I loves me ice cream and my grandmother used to make her own all the time. My uncles, Marshall & Buster, would take turns cranking it. One summer when I was nine or ten, something broke. Something, as I recall, that kept the container of ice cream down in the bucket full of ice. So the uncles folded up a large piece of burlap and placed it on top of the ice cream maker and had me sit on it while they cranked! I was quite willing, both because I loved the attention and because, and this was the Principal reason, I really wanted my share of the heavenly desert.

Spumoni is just a flavor of gelato; or, actually, three flavors. You know Neopolitan ice cream? I think all Americans do. Well, just as that is chocolate with strawberry and vanilla, so spumoni is chocolate with pistachio and brandied cherry. Same deal, only from a different region of Italy.

Gelato is very popular here in Annapolis, so most of our many Italian restaurants make it. In the less fancy emporiums, you will find it in a glass showcase up front. There will be row after row after row of stainless steel pans that are very like, but much wider than, pans for meatloaf or banana nut bread. A lot of the flavors you will have never had, if you've not had gelato. Hazelnut, Romeo & Juliet, caramel, tiramuso, and so on and on. They are delicious.

Edie's, here in the East, makes a Spumoni ICE CREAM, but it is not very good. Friendly's makes a better one, but it still misses perfection by a mile. Yet, something LIKE Spumoni is better than no Spumoni at all.

Call your favorite Italian restaurant and ask if they carry Spumoni gelato. They probably do. We have quite a few here in Annapolis that do.

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