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Started by dapphne, March 30, 2016, 09:23:16 AM

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Mary Ann

Yesterday I read where some people in the "know" expected Brits would vote to stay in the EU.  But I see they did not.  I'm wondering how many voted just to keep their currency instead of the whole picture.  Kind of like US people not wanting to go metric as much of the rest of the world had done. 

The trash is out and my windows have been washed.  The men are now at Dot's.  She has a lot more windows than I have because she is in a duplex; I am in a 4-unit building and I have an inside unit.  Dot has done many of the insides of her windows and the men will do the outsides.  They were here a half hour.

Tom is out for breakfast and will bring me a muffin and coffee.

Mary Ann

larryhanna

Hi everyone on another hot South Carolina morning.  I have finished my outside chores and plan on spending most of today inside where it is cool.  I awoke at 6:30 this morning but decided to pick up my phone and read my email and these message boards before getting up for the day.  Other than to reset the times on my watering system to earlier in the mornings I have no other definite plans and will just play it by ear. 

Yesterday morning was busy as after coffee and taking my friend back to his house I stopped at Aldi's for groceries, came home and unloaded and put them away and then Pat and I went to Chick-Fil-A for our main meal of the day.  I came home and rested for a couple of hours and that was basically it for the day.

Shirley, way to go on your new computer and getting it configured the way you want it to be. I would not go to the expense of a screened in porch again and love the covered patio as it is a great place for flowers and container gardening, which we have done this year for the first time.  It is easy to keep clean as just hose it off while watering the flowers.  The same is true of our front porch, which is shaded in the afternoons and if it isn't too hot or humid I enjoy sitting out there. 

Mary Ann, I have no idea whether the city will maintain our roads or not.  They are still in perfect shape as this development is basically a new one.  One thing about college is it is never too late to get a degree.  I also graduated from a teacher's college and it is now a full-fledged univeristy. Glad you missed the bad storm. 

Joan, sure glad your son preserved and retook the English Comp. course.  It sounds like he is well on his way to his goal. 

deAngel, when we moved to Springfield, Illinois after our Alaska tour, we could not find a home to rent so ended up buying a new mobile home and found a new park to set it up.  The owners were very particular and had a beautiful park.  When we moved to Kentucky we moved the mobile home but the only park we could find was an old rundown park out in the country.  As soon as a new park opened in Frankfort and we moved it again ASAP.  The people in the park apparently thought I worked for the FBI as always wore a suit to work and if it was sunny sunglasses.  I still get a chuckle out of that. 

Patricia, you may well be right about the condition of the country years ago and now since now we get too much news.  It sounds like you had a good system involving articles left in your place of business.  Glad the paint smell isn't bad in your apartment and hope the new carpeting will be the same as it always has a smell to it when first laid.

Sandy, I see our stock market also has the gitters over the British election result to leave the EU.  The market had been up yesterday. 

MaryPage, the Greeks series on PBS sounds like something I would enjoy.  I just made a note on my "to do" list to watch it and should have ample time to do so today. 

MaryPage

Please let me know how you like it, Larry.  I hate to recommend something and then never hear whether it was enjoyed or not.

JeanneP

Sandy.
I for one Being British, glad they got out of the EM .iit will be a little while for some to realize  that but they  will. Fact I look for other European countries to go the same way . Will watch UK close. Like the US. Things were getting bad in UK.
I know my family  and friends did a lot of complaining .to many Brits moving out and to many people from others
Countries replacing them.. Keep Britian for the British. Now a slogan..
JeanneP

Lindancer

Good afternoon, I feel like anew person and am no longer so depressed.  I just talk to my grandson and they had just moved him out of ICU after 10 days. When he is able they will send him to Pensacola, Fla. to a spinal cord rehab. I went to bed at 5:15AM and got up at 8:20. I have to do some grocery shopping.

MaryPage, I have made a note to watch the Greek series. That is one place I never got to visit. I loved my stay in Rome. I loved ancient history. Thanks for posting about program

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MaryPage

Me, too.  Loved Ancient History, that is to say.  It always blows my mind that when people give definitions regarding the history of Halloween, they never seem to go back far enough.  But it actually originated in Ancient Egypt.  They had the Days of the Dead, when they stayed inside their home and put food and drink in bowls outside their doorways so the Dead roaming around during those days could enjoy their hospitality and, at the same time, leave the family inside alone.  If that was not the beginning of what became our Begger's Night and Trick or Treat, I don't know what in the world it can be attributed to!  Shoot, I'm old enough to remember when Halloween was TWO DAYS in THIS country:  First came Begger's Night itself, and then the NEXT night was Halloween.  They changed it after I was a young married woman with children.  The police did not want to be bothered with the two nights.  I swear to this!

Jeanne Lee

MaryPage, that celebration on October 30, leading up to Halloween on October 31 has gone by different names in different areas.  Here in upstate New York it was always known as Cabbage Night and in the area of New Jersey where my family grew up it was always Mischief Night.   :D

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angelface555

#1537
Another new item to some may be the original Phoenicians. They were a polyglot of deserters from the Trojan wars, and they were also mixed with citizens of the ports from which they set sail, walled cities such as Byblos, Sidon, and Tyre. They maintained a vast seafaring, trading, cosmopolitan empire.

''Fernand Braudel remarked in The Perspective of the World that Phoenicia was an early example of a "world-economy" surrounded by empires. The high point of Phoenician culture and seapower is usually placed c. 1200â€"800 BC. Some fishing villages along the coast of Lebanon's inhabitants share DNA with ancient Phoenicians."

I studied ancient history and civilizations for years, and how wars brought settlement, trade and DNA through the ancient world.

I also was fascinated with the "changing of the guard,"  before and after in WWI and WWII. Entire ways of life disappeared and new ways changed with these conditions. Inventions, mores, and qualities of life either flourished or vanished, leaving small traces behind.

This was the way it happened in early human times when different prehistoric men lived, fought and bred together and in the to us, ancient world of the Greeks and Romans through evolution to the present day.

Today we are closer than ever though our inventions, lifestyles and prejudges. If you take a real look at history prior to WWI and today, the similarities are mind boggling. This tired earth keeps on struggling, moving in one direction and then another with histories that will be studied intensely by those yet born.

It isn't only people that are evolving continuously, or the physical world with plants and animals, but life itself, and repeats throughout the galaxies, forever. Life comes from the stars, their very chemicals made life here and what we constantly emit into space will continue to flourish in other ways other times, evolving in many different ways.

"If we do not learn from our mistakes, (And we never have); we are doomed to repeat them.

angelface555

#1538
Interesting advice from A. Lincoln to his one year younger, stepbrother. Lincoln was 42 at the time.

On January 2, 1851 â€" a decade before he won the presidency â€" 42-year-old Lincoln scolds his step-brother, one year his junior:

"Dear Johnston: â€"

Your request for eighty dollars, I do not think it best to comply with now. At the various times when I have helped you a little, you have said to me, “We can get along very well now,” but in a very short time I find you in the same difficulty again. Now this can only happen by some defect in your conduct. What that defect is, I think I know.

You are not lazy, and still you are an idler. I doubt whether since I saw you, you have done a good whole day’s work, in any one day. You do not very much dislike to work, and still you do not work much, merely because it does not seem to you that you could get much for it. This habit of uselessly wasting time, is the whole difficulty; and it is vastly important to you, and still more so to your children, that you should break this habit. It is more important to them, because they have longer to live, and can keep out of an idle habit before they are in it easier than they can get out after they are in."

But Lincoln’s critique is no idle condemnation â€" his sternness stems from loving concern and aims to motivate rather than dishearten. To incentivize his step-brother to work, he makes him a bargain â€" for every dollar John earns by his own labor in the next five months, Lincoln would make a matching gift and thus double his earnings. And yet even so, he admonishes John, any financial aid would be lost on him unless he cultivates a healthier relationship with work, money, and property. Lincoln writes:

"You say you would almost give your place in Heaven for $70 or $80. Then you value your place in Heaven very cheaply, for I am sure you can with the offer I make you get the seventy or eighty dollars for four or five months’ work. You say if I furnish you the money you will deed me the land, and if you don’t pay the money back, you will deliver possession â€" Nonsense! If you can’t now live with the land, how will you then live without it? You have always been kind to me, and I do not now mean to be unkind to you. On the contrary, if you will but follow my advice, you will find it worth more than eight times eighty dollars to you.

Affectionately your brother,

A. Lincoln"

MaryPage

Marvelous!

And only this morning, I was thinking of that quote about being forced to repeat our mistakes; only my feeble old brain could not remember it properly.  The thing is, according to news reports, it has chiefly been the older citizens of the U.K. who have voted to go back in time.  They have deceived themselves into thinking they will be better off.  The heart wrenching facts on the ground are that the FIRST people to suffer from their mistakenly trying to turn the clock back to "the old days," which actually were not that great, either, will be the older, retired portion of their overpopulated land.  And ours.  The whole world is totally intertwined in this century, and my personal finances are going to suffer.  Oh well!  I'll just have to bore another hole in my belt and pull it in tighter.  I did not get to vote on this one!

Sandy

I agree with you Mom..

It just seems to me that a whole lot of older
people  voted on this to "go back to the good ole days"
as you said,   and the younger people who do
not care to repeat history,  unfortunately,  did not
get their butts out the door and vote.
(There is a message here and hopefully
we here in the USA will learn from it)

It also seems to be a very complicated
decision to be left to the masses... 
But that is the way free  societies do
things today,   so England  will reap, 
what every they sow,  and hopefully it 
will turn out to be a  good change.

Have a good evening,  Everyone!
Sandy
:tissue: 

  "It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out."

― Carl Sagan

angelface555

#1541
Farrah surprised me today! Lately, when I eat on the couch, she would come and sit before the end table where I placed my food. Yesterday and today she put her front paws up and took a good sniff. I offered her a small taste, (Never anything dairy or wrong for her!); and as usual, she looked at me as if I was eating worms or worse!

Today not only with her legs up, but she jumped on the table, sailed over my plate and back to the floor again. I'm sure she had some plan in mind, but it obviously didn't follow instructions!

So I dumped the remainder of her wet food, opened another and gave her a small portion of turkey and giblets. It takes her three days to eat a six-ounce can which is what a "normal" cat eats daily.

She doesn't care for the food after refrigeration, so I'm going to try the 3-ounce cans instead. It is too wasteful this way. She has dry food always available, wet food in the mornings which has turned into all day and occasional cat treats in the afternoon on the yoga mat.

I give her very small amounts and while the vet says she's healthy, she eats very little. I suppose that is better than too much! Often after seeing her wet food, she goes directly to the yoga mat and looks up at me....:)

Mary Ann

Patricia, so far Kendrick has only gotten dry food.  I replenish it each night along with fresh water.  He seems healthy enough.  Getting him to a vet is his "mother's" responsibility.  We spent some time on the deck tonight and he slinks from here to there to see what is around. 

Mary Ann

halkel

Sandy and MaryPage.  It was a little thing called "independence" that the Brits voted for.  They are tired of Brussels calling the shots and making the rules that they have to live by.  And the mass immigration being thrust on them was the straw that broke their back.

MaryPage

No doubt, Hal; no doubt at all.  But those folks are not experts in economics, either.  Nor do they seem to be aware that they have, or had, since that has changed due to this vote, full representation in the EU operating out of Brussels.  What voters don't understand is too, too often the very thing that will do them in, and that is precisely what has happened here.  Now it is highly likely that Scotland and Ireland will vote to become independent of Great Britain, and the UK will exist no more.  Scotland and Ireland will then vote to rejoin the EU as independent states, and England and Wales will be left to their own devices.  They cannot flourish independently, and will become impoverished backwaters.  Breaks my heart, it does!  As for me, I find myself thrown backwards economically on Day One, and will have to adapt to the new way of things with ever more sad economies.  I have lived to see the end of the once mighty British Empire, and now I have lived longer than I would have wished and have seen the end of the British.  I weep!

halkel

Mary Page, I think perhaps you are being a little dire in your outlook.




JeanneP

MaryPage.  As still a proud Brit. I don't have that negative feelings. You have to know just how Britain has changed over the years (just like the US has ). due to being to involved with Europe and their rules. America is going through big changes also. Will be some down time here. Has to be . We maybe not live to see it but our grands will.
Scotland did not vote to get out a couple of years ago and will not this time. Neither will Ireland. Ireland thought they were getting Rich a few years ago. People went wild spending and going in debt. Now they are paying for it.
I look for France. Netherlands even Germany will be watching how it goes for Britain then they will change their ways. Either that are another European War will start again. It seems to take care of Politics for awhile everywhere.
I will be back over to UK again soon so will get a better idea.  My UK pension not big enough that it will change it. Maybe a little as it is paid in Pound to my bank. I will loose no sleep on that.
JeanneP

JeanneP

MaryPage.

My cousins son has a write up in the paper there. Now we are from the North were the votes were the highest for leaving. He is a young man. Out of Oxford 2 years and so idea of what the young are thinking

I feel it's no coincidence that the North of England is what has swung this vote. A proud region of people who have suffered persistent marginalisation from the central government over generations. I get it, this was your voice and chance to be heard. I can't help but feel this vote is the result of decades of constant disappointment in the representative power of our political system and its failure to listen to public outcries. If you voted 'In' then do not direct anger or incredulity at your fellow voter for what has happened, they have done what was asked of them and used their voice. The irony is that the funding gap between the North and South is only going to widen without EU investment and grants. No one has won here. Instead I implore you to direct the anger at central government and the systems we have in place that have pushed a large portion of the population down this road. We need to take a serious look again at how we elect officials. I can't help but feel that if we used a more pluralist elective system such as PR or AR we wouldn't be here right now.
JeanneP

halkel

Jeanne, interesting little writeup by your Cousin, although I am not sure about his abbreviations: AR, PR.  I did try to research it and came up with:
   Passive Resistance to Active Resistance (otolaryngology)
So I am unsure of his meaning.  Do you have idea what he is talking about?


JeanneP

I think his final degree is Political Science. I am not sure on that either. Maybe be talking to his father tomorrow. Will check on it. I have a hard time now on people and the Texting also.
JeanneP

MaryPage


MaryPage

This is what I fear it will come to.  People voted their EMOTIONS, and not their pocketbooks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/22/business/international/brexit-referendum-eu-economy.html?_r=0

larryhanna

Hi everyone.  I am much later than usual getting to these boards.  I have been awake since 3:30 and couldn't go back to sleep.  Finally I put on my headphones and started by audiobook and listened until it was time to get up.  I went early to get a haircut and decided to go ahead and get a pedicure as my big toes were bothering me and the shop opened just as I finished at the Great Clips and I didn't have to wait very long.  They were getting very busy by the time I left. 

I came home and met out new neighbors, who started moving in yesterday and are continuing today.  I also met the ladies parents who are helping them with the move and they live close by.  The new neighbors are in their mid-forties and she has a 17 year old son, who is visiting with his Dad in California right now.  It looks like they will be fine neighbors.  They also have two small dogs that apparently spend most of their time in the house.  I watered my flowers, later than I normally like to do, but didn't want them to get totally dried out.  We are expecting another 97 degree afternoon.  I will spend the rest of the day inside where it is cool. 

MaryPage, were you asking about how we liked the Chick-Fil-A?  If so the answer is we like it a lot and have often eaten there.  There chicken sandwiches are very good and they don't use ground up chicken pressed back into a paddy. 

deAngel, so glad you were able to talk to your grandson and that he is now out of ICU.  It sounds like the kidney problem must be under control. 

I was not aware that Halloween had ever involved two days.  As I was growing up it was just going treat or treating and it certainly wasn't a big deal as it is today.  Like so many other things it has been commercialized.

Patricia, interesting information on the Phoenicians.  I probably studied something about them in my year of Humanities in college but don't remember any specifics. Thanks for sharing the Abraham Lincoln letter to his brother. 

We can always hope for the best for Great Britain as it is what it is. I am not knowledgeable enough to understand all the ramifications of their actions.     

halkel

MaryPage,  the other view:


'A very British apocalypse â€" it was over by tea time!' Ukip brushes off tales of doom as the pound rallies and businesses vow to adapt despite initial turmoil when Brexit was announced

    FTSE100 suffered one of biggest falls in history - losing more than £100bn
    But by close on Friday seven per cent fall was narrowed to 2.7 per cent
    'Hours later the FTSE and the pound rallied as Mark Carney offered £250bn
    Fall in the pound could lead to a 'windfall' for exporters selling UK goods 
    Commenting on the fightback, Ukip's Suzanne Evans says it 'wasn't a bad first day of freedom'
    She points to calm from business leaders, global politicians and denials by JP Morgan over claims it is moving 2,000 jobs to the EU


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659225/What-apocalypse-British-shares-bounced-Stock-markets-Europe-fare-far-worse-UK-historic-EU-vote.html#ixzz4CbjomC2o


IMO it is W-A-Y to early to know what is going to happen.  The UK exist many years before the EU came along, not only exist, but defeated both France and Germany and helped to liberate most of the other countries in the EU, so I don't fear for them too much.  Water finds it's own level and big government has never solved any problems, trade or otherwise.  Created many which they say they want to solve.... ;D

angelface555

I don't know that much about the situation, but my relatives in Scotland are eager to see another independence vote and the only thing that stopped it before was England's promises that they have reneged on. My cousin sent us all a copy of a voice message from our Irish relatives hoping for Ireland's unification and a return to independence that has been coming since the seventeen hundreds.

You have to remember that my ancestors were transported to Charleston in 1720 for a period of 25 years, simply because of a British officer's pique. And the relatives in both Ireland and Scotland have long, long memories of English cruelty and prejudge. Even if that had not occured, not so much my family's experience, but the whole of it during those times and marginalization since then, it is likely that there will be some large changes. This is what we are hearing from our relatives here and in  Ireland and Scotland.

I agree with Larry, " I am not knowledgeable enough to understand all the ramifications of their actions."

Today is again sunny with temperatures to rise into the mid-eighties and I have lots of errands and a lunch to get to!

angelface555

Now I know there will be many who say their dog or cat can and does or did eat anything or drink anything and lived forever, and ever....

But for those of us wishing to keep our cats and dogs happy and healthy, here are a few people foods its best to keep away from our pets.

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/animal-poison-control/people-foods-avoid-feeding-your-pets

Lindancer

Thanks Patricia, for posting the dangers of some food.  I do not have to worry, as Taffy will not have anything to do with human eats.

All she wants is a clean dish. I buy differnt typs of dry food and mix it.
a half can of wet cat food, but it must have gravey or scause, and she will only eat the juice, very seldem all of it, The stray cat that live s around here gets the rest. A couple of years ago I had big trouble with her, with a hair ball, almost lost her.  The vet said give her soft food once a day, and I brush her every night.

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angelface555

Gloria, I sent you an email at your listed yahoo account just now. I know not everyone always wants to hear about pets.

JeanneP

#1558
The changes is the UK will about the same as always. Differences will be between the "Working Class" Middle Class and the "Rich.  Isn't it the same everywhere? US has it now. Lets see how things will be with a new President in. 

I wondered last week about how the vote in UK would go and now can wait and see how the voting for new President in US will go. All keep the newspapers and the TV people happy. No two saying the same thing. Will say that the things between Mrs Clinton and Donald Trump have kept things lively.  Very funny at times. Nasty at most.
JeanneP

Beverly

Stopping in to say Good Night from Florida! It's a warm night and was an even warmer day. I played golf this morning but was home by 10 a.m. I didn't venture out at all this afternoon.

I talked to my DIL tonight to wish her a happy birthday. She's a nurse and is spending her birthday working the 12 hour night shift at the hospital. She said she hasn't worked on her birthday in years but tonight they were short-handed.

Good night all.