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larryhanna

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Hi Everyone.  It is going to be another beautiful day with it getting only to 68 degrees.  Pat's sister did arrive on schedule and said this was the best plane ride she had ever had in coming to Georgia and South Carolina.  The plane actually arrived a few minutes early but she was one of the last to deplane.  She had arranged for a wheel chair and apparently when she got to Atlanta the second plane was ready to be boarded and the redcap wheeled her right into the plane.  We came home and picked up Pat and then went on to Pizza Hut for the Tuesday night buffet. As Pat went too pull up her chair at the table she did something and brought on a very sharp pain and now is left with another very sore leg.   

Today is our son's 54th birthday and he is starting a weeks vacation from his job.  In the middle of the afternoon we are going to go to the Outback Steakhouse for his birthday dinner. Afterwards I am sure they all will play some Farkle games as they all enjoy it.

I found this to be a very interesting article:  Side by side, couple in 80s crafts quilts for children in need â€" South Carolina United Methodist Advocate:  Side by side, couple in 80s crafts quilts for children in need â€" South Carolina United Methodist Advocate


http://www.advocatesc.org/2017/10/side-by-side-couple-in-80s-crafts-quilts-for-children-in-need/

Mary Ann, it is worth the extra to not have to deal with the discarded mattress and the delivery charge seems normal anymore.  The mattress that Scott wanted cost a bit more than what you had to pay.  He found that on certain mattresses he had trouble turning over but not on the one he selected. It sounds like you had a very informative retirees meeting. 

MarsGal, those pictures of Shan are so cute and I don't see how he could be much cuter.  I can't look at a small animal or baby without smiling.  You did a good job of posting the pictures.

Marilyne, several years ago we visited my sister and BIL in Iowa and they had just gotten a new memory foam mattress and it was not soft.  After the first night I went to another room and slept on a day bed that was far from new and it was much more enjoyable.  They had 30 days to use it and then return it if they didn't like it, which they did.  We have foam mattresses on the adjustable beds and they are comfortable and not too hard.  My wife has no difficulty sleeping in her easy chair as it reclines back.  Mine does the same thing but I never sleep in it.  I think our son has narcolepsy and can fall asleep almost instantly but seldom slept for more than two hours at a time.  Now he is getting longer periods of sleep. 

Joy, it seems there are so many different health plans.  With our plan we do pay deductions and co-pays plus large monthly premiums, which are going up about $36 a month in 2018.  I have no complaints as both Pat and I have a lot of medical expenses and take a lot of medicines. 

Patricia, icy conditions are always frightening as it is so easy to slip and fall.  That is sure a lot of dental work that is facing you.  My wife also has a very small mouth.   

Mary Ann

I wrote something here, then copied the link in Larry's message so I could send it to Terry's wife who is both a Methodist minister and a quilter.  I lost my message but I realize that was my fault; it did not go out into cyberspace.

Patricia, I noticed earlier that there was snow in Wisconsin but I looked a few minutes ago and the snow was turning to rain.  At present, we are having a nice, sunny day.  Our temperature is in the high 40s but expected to go to 41, maybe lower, tonight, so I am going to bring my amaryllis inside.  Tom will take them downstairs where the foliage will die down and the bulbs will stay there all winter.  I want to look at the rain gauge because we had seven inches over two days when I dumped the water, but it was raining then so there is more to measure.

It's time to see if there is mail so I'll have to put on shoes!

Mary Ann



Marilyne

Hot weather here in Northern Cal, this week.  In the 80's here, but 90's in the inland areas.  I saw on the news last night that it was over 100 degrees in Southern Cal!

Today I have an appointment with my dermatologist, which will probably result in lots of things being burned off of my face and other places.  While I'm there, I'm going to ask him to please take a  look at the inside of my mouth, which is still sore, and hard for me to eat anything that isn't soft. I know that doctors dislike diagnosing anything that isn't in their speciality, but I'm going to ask him anyway.

Mary Ann

Marilyn, I read the temperature in LA for the ball game was 103, the hottest on record for a baseball game.  I don't see how the players can play under such conditions.  And here we are starting our Fall temperatures - 50 right now at 3:20 and the sun is shining brightly.  I went after the mail and it is sweater weather for me, which I love.  When we have snow and ice, Tom will have to get the mail and I'll have to wait until he's ready to do it.  I can wait until that time comes.  Kendrick likes this weather; I let him out on the porch stoop three times today and he behaved beautifully - coming right back in when I went to the door.  Otherwise, he's been lying on my bed.  He must like the new mattress!  Ha!

Mary Ann

larryhanna

Hi Everyone.  It is to be another very pleasant, sunny and mild day.  We did have a fine time celebrating Scott's birthday yesterday.  We ate at Outback Steakhouse and we ended up with the largest dining bill I have ever paid but there were 5 of us and the food was good.  Today should be a calmer day.  I will pick up my friend and go to coffee and then stop at Walmart for a few items we need.  I don't plan on attending the Wisdom group at Church this morning.

Mary Ann, it sounds like some colder weather is headed up your way.  Actually our night temperatures have been in the same area as what you have been experiencing and yesterday it didn't get about 63 degrees.  However, it is suppose to be up to 75 this afternoon.  Pat is talking about getting her two planters into the house.  When I am at Walmart this morning I will pick up one of those plastic things to set the planters in so after watering no water will get on our floors.  We already have one of them.

Marilyne, I don't envy you having the spots burned off your skin.  I have only had to have that done one time but have lots of friends that have had many such treatments.  Those cans of spray used by the doctor are about as close to a money tree as I can think of.  :)

Mary Ann

Larry, the indoor/outdoor thermometer in my bedroom read 28 degrees this morning and I think my computer read 30 degrees.  I got my amaryllis together yesterday and put them in plastic grocery bags, then put them by the slider door, intending to bring them in later.  When I went to get them, they were not there; Tom had come home, saw them and took them to the lower level where they'll stay until Spring unless we notice a stem with a bud on it.  In that case it will come upstairs for us to enjoy.

Mary Ann

Marilyne

Today looks like a "carbon copy" of yesterday. ;D 
Mary Ann - As soon as I wrote that sentence, I realized it was one of those old obsolete sayings, that you posted yesterday.  (How many people under age 50, would know what carbon paper is!) LOL.

Anyway, that was the first thing that popped into my head when I walked outside to check the temperature this morning.  Already warm and pleasant - just exactly as it was yesterday, and the day before!  :)

That was a fun list of old sayings that you posted.  Maybe you could copy and paste it in this discussion?  Most likely, many of our members didn't see it yesterday?

Mary Ann

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Here you are, Marilyn.  To the others, I received this in an e-mail yesterday and I posted it in the Old Sayings and Quips, which is where Marilyn saw it.  Most of us probably said many of these expressions at one time or another.

Warning:  Only seniors should read this!

Heavens to Murgatroyd!

Would you believe the email spell checker did not recognize the word, Murgatroyd?

Lost Words from our childhood: Words gone as fast as the buggy whip! Sad really!

The other day a not so elderly (60-65, I'd say) lady said something to her son about driving a Jalopy and he looked at her quizzically and said, What the heck is a Jalopy?”  He’d never heard of the word jalopy!!  She knew she was old but not that old.

Well, I hope you are Hunky Dory after you read this and chuckle.

About a month ago, I thought of some old expressions that have become obsolete because of the inexorable march of technology.

These phrases included “Don’t touch that dial", “Carbon copy", “You sound like a broken ecord” and “Hung out to dry.”

Back in the olden days we had “A lot of moxie”.  We’d put on our best bib and tucker to straighten up and fly right.

Heavens to Betsy! Gee whillikers! Jumping Jehoshaphat! Holy Moley!

We were, “In like Flynn” and “Living the life of Riley”, and even a regular guy couldn’t accuse us of being a knucklehead, a nincompoop or a pill.  Not for all the tea in China!
         
Back when we were kids, life used to be swell, but when’s the last time anything was swell?
Swell has gone the way of beehives, pageboys, and the D.A. ... of spats, knickers, fedoras, poodle skirts, saddle shoes and pedal pushers.

Oh, my aching back.  Kilroy was here, but he isn’t anymore.

We wake up from what surely has been just a short nap, and before we 3can say, "Well I’ll be a monkey’s uncle!" or "This is a fine kettle of fish!"       

We discover that the words we grew up with, the words that seemed omnipresent as oxygen,
have vanished with scarcely a notice from our tongues and our pens and our keyboards.

Poof, go the words of our youth, the words we’ve left behind. Where have all those phrases gone?

Here are a few: Pshaw, The milkman did it. Hey!  It’s your nickel. Don’t forget to pull the chain.

Knee high to a grasshopper. Well, fiddlesticks! Going like sixty. I’ll see you in the funny papers.

Don’t take any wooden nickels. It turns out there are more of these lost words and expressions than Carter has liver pills.  This can be disturbing stuff!

We of a certain age have been blessed to live in changeable times.

For a child, each new word is like a shiny toy, a toy that has no age. We at the other end of the chronological arc have the advantage of remembering there are words that once did not exist and there were words that once strutted their hour upon the earthly stage and now are heard no more, except in our collective memory.  It’s one of the greatest advantages of aging.

See you later alligator ! "In a while crocodile!"


FlaJean

Yes, I remember those sayings.  I also remember those carbon copies.  I can remember when I worked as a secretary for the telephone company and had to type reports with nine carbon copies.  I became quite an expert in how to erase a mistake without it showing!  Then later using the stand alone Wang word processing machine before finally a computer with a word processing app.  :thumbup:  Never dreamed I would ever be typing on an iPad.

Mary Ann

Jean and Marilyn, I don't think I ever had to have nine carbons, but I did have to have multiple copies of some documents.  My first job with the company was in the Transformer Shop at the time of the frequency change (1942) and I had a lot of numbers to type.  I really was not good at typing numbers; had to look at the keyboard but I managed.  I think I'm better with numbers than I was then. 

I was thinking about an incident in 1973 when our utility went out of the retail appliance business.  The company was waiting for a particular woman to retire and if she didn't, they didn't know what they were going to do with me.  Well, she finally announced she would retire so I went to the office for training.  She was more busy than I was during my training and she told how she had to take the last mail from the department to the Post Office, thus getting overtime.  I was riding with another employee and there was no way I was going to ask him to drive to the PO.  I let the woman take the mail as long as she was still there, but when she left, I put the department mail in the company mail and it was delivered in due time.  Not only that, I'd finish everything I could see to do and sometimes I could sit there and twiddle my thumbs.  Our boss knew what she was doing and told me they saved some money after she left - no overtime.

It was a good company to work for and all they have to do now is get my check in my bank account.  It's hard to believe I've been retired 31 years.  I met a couple of new retirees at our luncheon Tuesday who started after I left and have since retired.

Mary Ann

Marilyne

Besides saying "the weather is a carbon copy",  I probably use some of those other phrases as well, and I’m not even aware of it?  The word jalopy, was even before my time . . . I think we replaced it with "hot rod".(which is also now obsolete.) 

I recall my dad saying, “I’m in like Flynn”, and “You’re beginning to sound like a broken record", and "We'll be there before you can say Jack Robinson”.  If my mother was talking about a baby or toddler, she would say "He's as cute as a bug's ear".  Another phrase she used a lot, that is never heard in today's world was, "I'm tickled pink", or, "I'd be tickled pink to go with you"!

I'm sure that many more will come to me!  Once I start thinking about something, seems I can't stop.  ::) LOL

Mary Ann

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Marilyn, I'm more likely to say "I'm pickled tink".  I used to say "it's your nickel" when the phone rang, however, with today's phones, it's always for the phone holder, not another family member.  I had a history book that had at the beginning "Time is, man marches on".  And I guess we have!  (This was because of  a radio program "Time Marches On").

Mary Ann

so_P_bubble

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Good Morning! - I hope you all woke  with a bright smile on your face :)

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MarsGal

Not exactly old sayings and quips, but my Dad used tp indulge in Spoonerisms and would get his "merds wixed".

I also remember Mom having fits when I would sat Gee Whiz. Seems she thought it was too close to swearing ("Jesus").

Another word antidote: In elementary I learned a new word, "queer", meaning odd. I had the misfortune of using that word on my Dad and got my "fanny tanned" but good. Being such a youngster, I had no idea it had any other meaning, nor had I ever heard of homosexuals before.

My mom picked up a phrase later in life that I cannot to this day stand to hear or read, I cringed just typing it. "It is what it is."

larryhanna

Hi Everyone. We are going to have another beautiful day that will be sunny and in the low 70's.  Late this afternoon I will go to our son's home to get instructions on caring for his dog and cat until early next week.  He and his daughter are driving to New York to attend to some important matters.  After I get the instructions on caring for the animals I will drive out to the airport to rent a car for them to drive to New York.  Unfortunately, since the reservation was made with my Costco discount I will have to pay extra for me as a driver even though I won't be driving.  This is still a lot cheaper than buying airline tickets and them still having to rent a car when they got to Albany.  Other than go to coffee yesterday and make a quick trip to the garden center at Walmart I really didn't do anything else.

Mary Ann, it sounds like Tom saved your flowers from the cold weather you had.  While it will be awhile before we get below freezing we are still going to bring our two plants in soon.  I did get the other plastic protector to set one in so we have all we need to do the job. 

Marilyne, mention of carbon paper    brings back memories of those old memeo machines and gel sheets that you could lay something on and then make copies from the impression.  My how times have changed. I remember everyone of those old saying and words that Mary Ann shared. Interesting experience with the lady who finally retired and her method of increasing her pay.

Bubble, seeing your posting brought a smile to my face this morning. 

Jean, weren't those typewriters that saved a few words a marvel at the time and then the IBM Selectric typewriters also avoided the keys jamming like the old style typewriters. 

MarsGal, it has been a long time since I heard the work Spoonerisms.  Wasn't it Norm Crosby, the comedian, who made a career of mixing up his words. I also never knew of homosexuals as I was growing up.  I guess I was very isolated. 

Joy

Good morning.  Another pretty sunny morning, but a big change in the temperature.  I think the Fall weather is upon us.  It was only in the mid 30's when I first go up. I did push the thermostat up to take the chill off. 

Larry,  sounds like you will be busy for the next few days.  I read your message over in the Soda Shoppe and commented there.

Mary Ann, I just looked at the Grand Haven web cam and the water looks really rough again today.  Yesterday it was nice and calm. I guess with the wind, it doesn't take much to make a change in the temperature and that does affect the lake waters.  It really looks so cold.  Made me feel cold just looking at those waves breaking on the shoreline.  Won't be seeing any more swimmers for a good while now.  It isn't even winter yet, and I am already looking forward to next summer. Hopefully, they will decide to try and trim some of those trees so that the beach is more visible.

Hope all the friends here will have a great day.

Joy
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MaryTX

Lots of memories.

I think 6 carbon copies were the max that I ever had to do and you had to be adept to correct them.  I also hated the statistical reports as I never could touch type numbers either.  Correcting mimeo sheets were a pain but I think the worse to correct were the ditto sheets. Having to turn it over and take a razor blade to scrape the black carbon off the mistake and  carbon to make the correction, and go on!  The mimeos make black copies and the dittos made purple copies and they both smeared when they were wet. 

I think the worst thing was the A.B. Dick copy machine.  It was a wet process.  You had to mix two chemicals together.  Then put the sheet you wanted to copy into between two sheets, remove the original and send the sheets through the solution and hang it to dry.  If the solution was a couple of days old, it turned yellow and left yellow streaks on the copy.

I worked for GE Credit Corp. My department got new IBM Selectrics.  I loved that machine and when I was transferred to another department, I talked them into letting me bring my Selectric with me and switching.   

Fall is finally here.  The high today is suppose to be about 50° and the low 33°and strong north winds.  I am a summer person and hate cold weather but..... :( 

Have a good weekend.

Mary

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Marilyne

Joy - like you, I can barely see the beach at Grand Haven anymore, because of the trees.  I'm thinking that I might send an Email to the man who owns the web cam, and see if maybe the trees can be trimmed?  When Spring arrives, I'm afraid they will have grown enough to obstruct the entire view.

Larry - Sounds like an important trip to New York, for your son and granddaughter.  I hope that any and all family problems will be resolved.  I can relate.

MarsGal - In recent years, my brother and I loved to reminisce about all the funny things that our Dad used to say.  We both agreed that he had a quick sense of humor, and could always be counted on for a funny comment that would make us all laugh.  I wish very much that I had written things down, but unfortunately I didn't.  He also indulged in spoonerisms!

bubble - I'm enjoying all of your cute Halloween graphics! ;D 

Hope you are all looking forward to a nice weekend?  It will continue to be warm here - in the 80's until Monday. 

Mary Ann

Just wait to see if it gets cold enough for Lake Michigan to freeze by the shore.  I remember seeing frozen formations alongside the pier and people would walk out on the ice to the formations.  Some people are daring!  Those are cold looking whitecaps and there won't be swimmers there for a while.  Actually, the water temperature is 61 degrees, not warm, but it could be colder.  It is around 45 degrees here. 

I just had a shock - I was reading the Retiree News for the company where I worked so many years and came upon the name of the husband of a friend of mine.  They lived in Grand Haven and the obit was not in the Grand Rapids paper.  I went to the Grand Haven paper and her obit came up.  I went all through grade and high school with her but did not know him until they married.  Later he went to work for the same company I did.  There was another name in the Retiree death list that I can't remember so I'll have to go back to find it.  That's what happens when you grow old!

I have to laugh, but I think Kendrick likes my new mattress because he spends a lot of time on my bed.  This was before I threw away two of his scratch pads, but another pad is due here today, courtesy of his "mother" (Annie).

Not much happening around here yet, so see you later.

Mary Ann

angelface555

#6709
Good morning from a snowless and soggy Interior. Some days ago we had snow and barely three above. Now at 12:34 it is thirty-five above and has been raining all week, and expected through the weekend. The sirens, especially at night are ongoing...lots of fools driving out there. The highways around the city, The Elliot, Steese, Richardson, and Glen, are all under a weather advisory. If it continues we will have another odd winter.

I purchased a couple of plastic straws for Farrah after seeing them at a rescue site on Youtube. Farrah loves them! I only put one out at a time, and she carries it to the kitchen rug so she can slide all over playing with the straw. Growls seem to be an essential part of the activity!

MaryAnn, It's cute that Kendrick gets so much use out of your new mattress!

That reminds me, cute is also an anachronism. And Larry, even saying "My how things have changed," isn't used anymore. So much has changed in a short time or so it seems. I guess everyone goes through that. I remember a considerable shift from the fifties into the sixties as well.

MarsGal, how is Shan progressing?

I also remember mimeograph and carbon sheets until they came out with typewriter merge programs just before computers becoming general usage. I remember thinking those merge programs were terrific! I started out my first job, with the old cash register that had all the numerical combinations from one to 1000 on the first row and continuing up to the tens. Does anyone remember those?.

I have to laugh at everyone saying the water temperature at Grand Rapids is too cold for swimming as many bodies of waters here even on hot days remain around 32 to 40 degrees. I don't think it has been the trees so much but that the camera location changed.

wjoan

Good afternoon.  Just checking in.  Nice sunny day today and about 64 degrees.  Dan did some adjustments for me on my new computer.  I feel so helpless, used to do all this adjusting and setting fonts, etc. on my own but eyeisght has gotten worse so  just cannot do stuff anymore.  Hope you all have a good day and great weekend.  :)

Marilyne

Patricia - I'm laughing too, at the difference in water temperatures!  Today, the temp of the ocean water at Santa Cruz/Monterey, is 54F, which is warmer than usual for this time of year.  It will be in the 40's during the Winter and Spring. The Pacific Ocean is very cold, along the Northern CA, Oregon and Washington coasts, year around.  In Southern California, the ocean is much warmer, because of what used to called the Japanese current, that flows into t hat area and makes the ocean water much warmer, and comfortable for swimming.

Yes, I remember those huge old cash registers!  My first job was as a salesgirl/cashier at W.T.
Grant, in about 1950, and I had to learn the in's and out's of that big monster!  Now those vintage cash registers are popular with collectors.  You will usually see one or two at any antique store.  Some are quite attractive, with mother-of-pearl keys, gold trim and beautiful etched designs on the sides.

Mary Ann - I'm curious if Kendrick destroys his scratch pads from so much use, and that's why you throw them away?  Winnie used to really use his a lot, but they had to be in shreds, before I replaced them.  I'm talking about the corrugated cardboard scratchers, that come in different shapes and sizes.

angelface555

Joan, we all have issues with aging or disabilities, but you handle yours with such calm confidence!

Marilyne, everyone sees the waters regarding their comfort zone, don't they? So much of the waters in the Interior are glacier fed, enough that you may have plus 32 on a day when the air temperatures are in the eighties. But that's the Arctic.

I am reminded of a friend who while visiting his folks in Greenbrier, West Virginia, sat outside in shorts and a tee shirt at Christmas, while the neighbors thought he was nuts.

Mary Ann

Marilyn, yes, the pads are of corrugated cardboard and Kendrick chews on them to the point they're unusable.  His new one was to come today, but I haven't seen it.  I'll look when I sign off to see if it is on the porch.  If not, I hope it comes tomorrow.

I have an offer to go to the funeral in Grand Haven tomorrow and I'm debating as to whether I should go or not.  I really feel I should, but for my own health, I'm not sure I should.  Another classmate would drive and there would be four of us - all 93 plus!  The driver is a very capable and caring person, capable of driving and caring enough to stay in contact with so many of our classmates.  And we've been out of school 76 years. 

Mary Ann

wjoan

Angel, not sure how to deal with it any differently.  LO L It is what it is.

Mary Ann

My "going to the funeral" problem has been solved.  I mentioned my hesitation in going to Tom when he came home.  He said he'd take me and after the funeral we'd drive to Holland to see James and the twins.  So that is what we plan to do.

Mary Ann

angelface555

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Quote from: MarsGal on October 27, 2017, 07:14:17 AM
My mom picked up a phrase later in life that I cannot to this day stand to hear or read, I cringed just typing it. "It is what it is."

Careful, Joan! :) But I understand exactly, very pragmatic.

MaryAnn sounds like a solution...and babies as well!

At 8:04 PM, we are the same temperature as it was at noon!

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Is Halloween something big where you live? It is unheard of here.

MarsGal

Larry, Shan is doing great. The little bugger is smart. He picks up on things and figures stuff out very quickly. I take time, two or three times a day, to play with him. At the moment he seems fascinated by he zipper on my sweater. He has gained enough strength to climb to the second tier of the cat tower out on the porch. And, he figured out how to defeat the barrier I set up against the doorway to keep him out of the kitchen when I open the door. I will need to get something taller and heavier now, or just put up with chasing him around the kitchen.

I think Oscar is puzzled that I keep him out on the porch. He always looks at me oddly when I catch the little cannonball and put him back out there. Yesterday, Shan made it to Oscar's food dish. Oscar just sat there and let Shan at it. Ten more days before he gets his shots, etc. I can hardly wait.

larryhanna

Hi Everyone.  We are to have another nice day getting up to around 75 by late afternoon.  Scott and Jennifer's plans hit a little snag last night that prevented them from getting on the road last evening.  In fact, they just stopped by here on their way to pick up something.  It is a 14 hour drive so it is going to be a long day for them.  I have nothing on the schedule for today although I may attend a meeting this morning.  I will also watch some football this afternoon. 

Joy, it sounds like it is time to get out the sweaters and jackets as it is getting chilly up your way. 

Mary, it may be the ditto process I was thinking of yesterday and had forgotten what it was called although it may not be the same thing.   

Marilyne, this is an important trip for my son and granddaughter.  Unfortunately this will not resolve the family problems involved for my granddaughter.  It sounds like you had a delightful father.

Mary Ann, it does sadden us when we read of a friends passing.  It sounds like Kendrick knows a good thing when he sleeps on it.  It sure was nice of you to get him a new mattress to enjoy.  :)  Have you adjusted to it by now?  Glad that Tom is taking you to the funeral and then you get to see those delightful twins.

Patricia, it sounds like your fall is very winter like already.  Is it freezing at night and making your roads icy thus causing a lot of auto accidents?  Does Farrah chew up the plastic straw or just play with it?  I heard a man on the radio yesterday being interviewed.  He and his family are living the old fashioned life style and I think they have a TV program on about their activities.  They have set up an old fashioned store and he said he has an old 1930's cash register and the highest amount you can punch in was $3. 

Joan, glad Dan was able to help you with your new computer. 

Bubble, Halloween is considered a major event for retailer.  I just did some searching and see that we spend over $350 million dollars just on candy and that the spending in total for costumes and decoration and candy average out over $77 per person in the USA.  These were features from about 3 years ago so probably higher now. 

MarsGal, it sounds like you have a winner in Shan and that he will make a great pet.