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RAMMEL · August 09, 2025, 06:52:01 PM

Quote from: OnLonelyMountain on August 09, 2025, 03:18:29 PMvinegar plus salt and dish detergent have been found to be as effective as either glyphosate (Roundup type products) or 2,4-D.

Any ratio to that mixture? Just that, no water?
Years ago I worked at the Boyce Thompson Institute. We had some pretty nasty stuff to work with - in the line of research.

Marilyne · August 12, 2025, 12:07:01 PM

Hello to anyone looking in today. It was a slow weekend for me, but things are picking up today, so always looking ahead to better days.
A special greeting to Ciaobella, OLM, Patricia, Mars, Jackie and Rick. Hope to hear from all of you soon.

patricia19 · August 12, 2025, 04:01:30 PM

Good late morning, nothing going on here, I may go uptown, shopping on our last really sunny, 70s day until the 20th.

Otherwise, same old routine.

OnLonelyMountain · August 12, 2025, 10:47:06 PM

Hi Ya'll,
We've been having a period of hot weather since Saturday. Today's high was 93°F. Way too hot for me, and my internet 2nds that. I've continued to cut up blow downs and haul branches to the slash pile. Once the temps get above 80°, I relegated to reading. Its been an Agatha Christie marathon.

Rick, using a 1.5 gal garden sprayer I've added 1/4 - 1/3 C salt, plus 1 Tbl. of fragrance free dish detergent to a gallon of cleaning vinear. You can look on the USDA's website and search for it. They may have a recipe. If not all the salt dissolves adjust that amount down. I remember a time there was a bunch left in the bottom. I'd just guess-timated, I just added another gal. of vinegar and 1 Tbl dish. That batch worked fine too. It burns down everything, so keep it off what you want to grow.

Hello Marilynne! 🙂👋🏼

RAMMEL · August 12, 2025, 10:56:01 PM

OLM - Thanks for the comments on the "vegetation killer".
I have a few areas that need "tending too".

OnLonelyMountain · August 13, 2025, 09:21:20 AM

Good morning Rick. It must be "cleaning vinegar," not table vinegar. Regular vinegar generally has an acidity level around 5-7%. Cleaning vinegar is around 15%, or so. Agricultural vinegar is around 17-20%. I've used it too. It was pretty expensive. You don't have to add salt or dish detergent to that one. The cleaning vinegar mix works almost as well as the ag vinegar. If its blackberry vines, or similar, I'd be inclined to go the extra for the ag vinegar. Glove up and protect your eyes from splashes if you do. Let me know how it goes?

RAMMEL · August 13, 2025, 09:38:49 AM

OLM - Pretty much a City dweller here. No big brush to take care of, just small "weeds" that show up here and there around my typical City building lot that my house is on. Old age (ability) and incentive are curtailing many of my efforts.
When I get inspired I'll try white vinegar. I use that now for certain cleaning.

patricia19 · August 13, 2025, 11:11:06 AM

Rick, "Natural options for non-toxic weed killers include vinegar, salt, and dish soap mixed together, or using boiling water directly on the weeds. These methods can effectively kill weeds without harming the environment or nearby plants."

Some places recommend essential oils, except those are lethal to dogs, cats, and birds.

Ciaobella · August 13, 2025, 11:43:11 AM

Good morning all... I've been a bit down with a tooth extraction done last Wednesday and still experiencing some discomfort. The area turned an ugly black and blue and is now almost back to normal but I think the oral surgeon bumped the inside of my mouth which caused that. Taking antibiotic, rinsing with salt water, Tylenol for the pain, and resting. The prescription was 600 mg. for the Tylenol which I was not about to take so I have been taking two 100 mg. It seems to help. I just simply HATE dental issues.

Our temps have returned to the high 90s which means it's inside for me. The kids are all going back to school this week and it seems like the summer flew by. I want a redo! lol

I've been reading The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis for our book club Fr. Jim is leading. Did a deep dive into Lewis and he was a highly intellectual man, an atheist for awhile, who encountered some spiritual experiences which led him to his belief in God and Jesus Christ. This book is all about Satan and his minions manipulating people into sinfulness and distracting them from prayer and faith. What an eye opener. Can't wait to discuss it with the group tonight. No matter what your belief system it sure gives you food for thought.

Okay you all have a great day and keep cool.

OnLonelyMountain · August 13, 2025, 12:57:06 PM

Good morning #2,
Rick, check the label for the % acidity. If your soil is acidic it might work. Table vinegar, weather apple cider or white didn't work in alkali soils. I've used boiling water, as Patricia mentions, it caused cracks in my pavement.

Ciaobella, sorry to hear that. Face and jaw pain is debilitating. I use homeopathic arnica for bruising, swelling and pain. It thins lymph, which carries away the old blood of the bruise and speeds healing. It generally is effective in complete healing in a couple of days. The swelling, bruising and pain is improved within 20 minutes. Its non-toxic. No side effects.

MarsGal · August 13, 2025, 06:27:03 PM

I don't recall coming across arnica. What I used was comfrey. I just picked a leaf, wilted it a little like you de spinach, and wrapped it around the bruised area using a bit of gauze wrapping. A little bulky, but it worked well.

Marilyne · August 13, 2025, 07:22:30 PM

Good Afternoon to everyone. So good to see our members returning, after a brief hiatus. I'm wondering why everything went silent for a few days, but will likely never find out?

Ciaobella, so sorry about your dental extraction. Sounds like a bad one, but will soon heal. I'm so glad that your dentist didn't tell you to take ibuprofen/Advil. Tylenol doesn't give as much pain relief, but is better for you in the long run. I saw my gastroenterologist recently, and he advised me to throw away any ibuprofen/Advil, that I have here at home. I've been reading a lot of negative things about it. Best to stick with Tylenol, even though it's not as effective against pain

OLM and Mars, plain white vinegar has worked well for me in getting rid of the weeds that pop up in the cracks on the driveway, and other walkways. I haven't sprayed it on the lawn weeds, in the backyard. Too many of them . . . in fact more weeds than grass. We just keep it mowed, and it looks okay.

OnLonelyMountain · August 15, 2025, 01:10:43 PM

MG, Arnica Montana is a well know herbal, topical remedy for bruises, strains and sprains. Its a large yellow daisy like flower with a brown center, heart shaped leaves. I harvest the flowers and make an oil infusion using organic olive oil. When thats ready I melt a little organic beeswax, some organic coconut oil and add some of the infused oil. Its a great salve. I either put it in a tube dspenser or jar. However HOMEOPATHIC Arnica is safe to ingest and works even better, especially for RA, gout and inflammation. Comfry used to be called "Boneset." Its a pretty amazing herb too. Its great for "bone repair." I also have the homeopathic form of that: Symphytum.

Ciaobella, How are you feeling today?

MarsGal · August 15, 2025, 02:32:58 PM

OLM, this is what I call boneset. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eupatorium_perfoliatum Never heard it applied to comfrey, although comfrey has been called knitbone. Similar difference.

This is what I know as comfrey. https://www.ruralsprout.com/grow-comfrey/ I had the wide-leave kind with the purple flowers. The picture next to paragraph 4. looks like mine. I had the wide-leaf kind.

Ciaobella · August 15, 2025, 09:48:16 PM

Thank you all for the suggestions on the bruise. It is actually gone now, and I am for the first day pain free!!! Homeopathic plants are interesting, I have never known of any of those mentioned. I am quite impressed with the knowledge you have.

Marilyne, I spoke with my gastroenterologist yesterday at my appointment and she said Tylenol for certain. Luckily, I think I am finally past the need for any pain meds. When you use the white vinegar for your weeds do you mix it with anything else? I would love to give this a try.

Not to talk politics... but I have to say I am moderately excited for a possible peace agreement with Putin and Zelinski. Let's pray it can happen for the world.

OnLonelyMountain · August 16, 2025, 09:18:29 AM

Good morning,
MG, I enjoyed both those links.🙂 In the Materia Medica of homeopathic remedies Symphytum O. is referred to by both boneset and knitbone. I was particularly fascinated by doctors use of it as a cast, much like a plaster cast and the recounting of where it was used to heal even older severely broken bones that had gone unhealed for long times. These were accounts out of Europe where it has long been in use. I don't have the herb. Though I think I've seen it growing here. I'll look for it next spring when things are flowering. Here is some interesting comparisons of Arnica to ibuprophin, https://www.plantmedicines.org/2025/01/does-arnica-really-work.html I noted that several sites said the plants can cause skin irritation. I haven't found that to be true for me, even with my hyper-sensitivity, when harvesting the flowers. Though I don't touch the rest of the plant.

OnLonelyMountain · August 16, 2025, 09:39:16 AM

Good morning Ciaobella,
Here is Martha Stewarts recipe for vinegar weed killer. I don't use that much salt. I found it didn't all dissolve in the solution with the first gallon; I added another gallon of vinegar and more dishsoap and continued spraying. It was fine. https://www.marthastewart.com/8114733/diy-vinegar-weed-killer-guide

Homeopathic medicines are made with many substances, not just plants. Substances that are toxic are rendered not toxic due to the extensive dilution, the healing properties are retained due to the succussion. Arsenic, as homeopathic arsenicum is an excellent remedy for treating toxic exposures, where the symptoms match.

Glad you're feeling better.

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