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Title: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 29, 2016, 03:27:58 PM
Hello all. We we all meet again? Love the new emoticons!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: dapphne on March 29, 2016, 04:57:36 PM
Hi Dig,
Good to see  you ...  thought for
a while there,  we all were toast!

But not so!!!   
Good to be back again.

Sandy
:crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 29, 2016, 05:11:43 PM
Oh My. we were all concerned about the deal with Iran. Well our concerns are well founded:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exclusive-iran-missile-tests-were-in-defiance-of-un-resolution-us-allies/ar-BBr5L3G?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 29, 2016, 09:45:27 PM
diglady, I for one am counting on the Ruler of the World to do what needs to be done. There is no one here on earth that can manage it properly. And the problems are sure not worth ruining our health about.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 30, 2016, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: diglady on March 29, 2016, 05:11:43 PM
Oh My. we were all concerned about the deal with Iran. Well our concerns are well founded:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exclusive-iran-missile-tests-were-in-defiance-of-un-resolution-us-allies/ar-BBr5L3G?li=BBnb7Kz

No sweat Dig, Barry has our back....... :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 30, 2016, 05:04:47 PM
Hal...I'm really sweating ! If Barry has my back, I need a body guard. What a nauseating thought.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 01, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
Well, check out the face on the new 10 dollar bill.........

http://www.headlinepolitics.com/fri-its-official-hamilton-is-being-replaced-on-the-10-bill-by-this-american-shocker/?utm_source=SailThru%26utm_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HP%20Newsletter%2004-01-16%20Curated/Horizon%20Tier%201&utm_term=Tier%201 (http://www.headlinepolitics.com/fri-its-official-hamilton-is-being-replaced-on-the-10-bill-by-this-american-shocker/?utm_source=SailThru%26utm_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HP%20Newsletter%2004-01-16%20Curated/Horizon%20Tier%201&utm_term=Tier%201)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on April 01, 2016, 11:18:43 AM
April Fool !    :2funny:

Sandy  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carol on April 04, 2016, 07:14:46 PM
That was a great April Fool trick! 

Sandy:  I love the picture - what a beautiful moon with an inviting bench. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on April 04, 2016, 07:27:16 PM
Thanks Carol... 

We are coming up on that
time of the year when sunrises
and sunsets are fun to sit and watch! 

Sandy
:crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on April 06, 2016, 09:29:42 PM
Hi everyone.....I posted under the name Emily, but since I had trouble signing in, I changed it to Emma to register on the new site.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 06, 2016, 10:53:15 PM
Welcome back Emily.  Which name do you prefer to be called?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 07, 2016, 01:04:06 PM
Emily, Emma! Good to see you here. We need to get MeriJo back also.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 08, 2016, 11:40:36 AM
Obama's surge:

U.S. 'surge operation' to clear 10,000 Syrian refugees in just 3 months, 600 interviewed A DAY

The administration has established a "surge operation" in Jordan to process 10,000 Syrian refugees and get them to the United States by President Obama's deadline of September 30, according to a new report on the temporary processing center in Amman.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/u.s.-surge-operation-to-clear-10000-syrian-refugees-in-just-3-months-600-interviewed-a-day/article/2588019
(http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/u.s.-surge-operation-to-clear-10000-syrian-refugees-in-just-3-months-600-interviewed-a-day/article/2588019)

and then :o

U.S. Muslims to overtake Jews by 2026
Surging immigration, expanding families drive eye-popping trend

http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/u-s-muslims-to-overtake-jews-by-2026/#C3qxdDxxviXcj734.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/u-s-muslims-to-overtake-jews-by-2026/#C3qxdDxxviXcj734.99)

:crazy2:        :crazy2:         :crazy2:

Do some of you really want to tell me Obama is not a Muslim?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 08, 2016, 11:47:07 AM
A President who has no regard for OUR country.  You have to wonder where his allegiance rest, the Muslim countries?

Border Patrol Agents: Illegal Aliens Walking ‘Out the Front Door,’ ‘We Don’t Know Who We’re Releasing’

snip
"During the report, Fox News Channel Senior Correspondent Eric Shawn stated that “agents are under orders from the agency headquarters in Washington to release illegals by not giving them what’s called NTAs, notice to appear summonses, that should send them straight to a deportation judge.”

In response to a question on what happens to those who don’t receive NTAs, Del Cueto said, “They get released back into the United States. They walk out the front door.”"
snip

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/04/07/border-patrol-agents-illegal-aliens-walking-out-the-front-door-we-dont-know-who-were-releasing/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/04/07/border-patrol-agents-illegal-aliens-walking-out-the-front-door-we-dont-know-who-were-releasing/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 08, 2016, 11:53:24 AM
You should be aware, the people who are doing this sort of thing are here, in the United States, in San Antonio, Texas.  And the stupid Democrats are running a sanctuary city, offering them protection while they peddle their drugs and kill their rivals.  As are any number of Democratically controlled cities in the U.S.  They want open borders.

Graphic Photos: Los Zetas Cartel Civil War Brings 5 Beheadings in 1 Week South of Texas Border

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/08/five-beheadings-in-one-week-as-los-zetas-civil-war-spreads-narco-terror/ (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/08/five-beheadings-in-one-week-as-los-zetas-civil-war-spreads-narco-terror/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Jeanne Lee on April 08, 2016, 12:14:32 PM
Joan, we didn't remember everything when we set things back up.  There is now a topic for "Gripes" right next door to this one - HERE (http://www.seniorsandfriends.org/index.php?topic=113.msg4625#msg4625)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 11, 2016, 08:51:19 AM
How many lies do you count in this article:

Obama: Clinton Didn't "Intentionally" Put America In Jeopardy; I Guarantee No Political Influence In Server Probe

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/10/obama_clinton_didnt_intentionally_put_america_in_jeopardy_i_guarantee_no_political_influence_in_server_probe.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/10/obama_clinton_didnt_intentionally_put_america_in_jeopardy_i_guarantee_no_political_influence_in_server_probe.html)

I see at least two in the headline.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carol on April 11, 2016, 03:32:31 PM
Checking in with just a bit of search information and that is the town where the majority of my Swede relatives live has had a massive change since we last visited.  The only hotels (two) now cater to muslim guests and show their food on the menu, bedding on floors, etc.  This town is located quite far north in Sweden.  There is now a mosque and rise in crime.  A heavy rise in crime.  There are so many articles saying the the Swedish life is lost forever.  Being "vetted" means nothing as false papers are easy to access.  Yes, most are escaping a terrible life and we can slowly bring in truly vetted people but that won't happen here in our country.  43% of London's group say they support Taliban and ISIS and those numbers are on the rise. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 11, 2016, 04:04:48 PM
An excellent article and so very true.

How Islamists Are Slowly Desensitizing Europe And America
The freakouts when people raise valid questions over Islamist actions are meant to frighten people into silence so Islamists can continue their attacks.

By M.G. Oprea
April 8, 2016




Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical magazine whose offices Islamists attacked in 2015, published an editorial recently titled “How Did We Get Here?” that has raised some eyebrows. In it, they ask how Europe has become where European-born Muslims have attacked the hearts of Paris and Brussels. Their answer has proved distasteful to many on the Left.

The editorial has been harshly criticized and the magazine accused of racism and xenophobia. The Washington Post says Charlie Hebdo blames extremism on individual Muslimsâ€"the veiled woman on the street, the man selling kebabs. There’s some truth to this accusation, and to the extent that there is, Charlie Hebdo is wrong. But this, and other critiques, miss the larger point of the article, which is to demonstrate the gradual and quotidian way in which criticizing Islam has been silenced.

It’s worth quoting Charlie Hebdo at length:

....
Read the complete article at.........

http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/08/how-islamists-are-slowly-desensitizing-europe-and-america/ (http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/08/how-islamists-are-slowly-desensitizing-europe-and-america/)

Sadly we are in a war that will consume the world as we know it and most Americans and Europeans are concerned about feelings.  Not the lives of their children and grandchildren or themselves.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Beverly on April 11, 2016, 10:50:02 PM
Merijo has posted in Introduce Yourself so hopefully she will be posting here again soon.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MeriJo on April 13, 2016, 11:02:35 PM
Hello Everyone:

I'm here!   So glad to see many familiar names and faces.

I have followed somewhat this preposterous election time.  However, I get upset at some of the words our pundits and reporters use.  Some of my favorite writers have disappointed me, and some of the articles have proved untrustworthy in online news that I usually read.  Twisting and lying what the Republican candidates say.  I have lost confidence in virtually all the online newspapers, and am trying to locate a reliable one.  I've even gone to the U.K. in search of reliable US news.  Can't have confidence in Canada anymore.  There's a liberal Trudeau in charge.

Yesterday I tried two completely different authors and I couldn't finish their respective articles.  Their language and opinions would make Machiavelli and Boccaccio ( this last word actually means, "Bad Mouth " in Italian, but his works are a "no-no" when it comes to purity of expression) blush.  Language among the members of the Fourth Estate has deteriorated to the garbage bin.

I decided to refer to the patron saint of writers, St. Francis de Sales, and the patron saint of politicians, St. Thomas More.  They need to inspire both sets of people to renew and recharge their careers into much better use. I'm praying to them to help us here in this country.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on April 14, 2016, 10:46:07 PM
Thanks Beverly, Hal, and Dig for the welcome back. Sorry it took me so long to answer.

Hal, since I signed in under the name Emma I will answer to that name.

Good to see MeriJo back.

Emma
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 18, 2016, 11:42:11 AM
The next time someone tells you it has to be true because the scientist say so, you might want to keep this in mind.

Big Science is broken

http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken

IMO global warming is one of the biggest frauds committed by "so called" scientist.  They were caught out once and quickly glossed over and now Obama has/is using their "findings" and government agencies ( ;D) findings pushing his agenda.   :crazy2:

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MeriJo on April 19, 2016, 01:24:24 AM
Hi Emma!  Good to see you back, too. Looking forward to more of your analyses of political events here!

I've been watching the run-up to tomorrow's primary this evening.  The media is beginning to point out previous articles they wrote, and pointing out that they were in error because the events didn't turn out their way at all.

We may have rain this week, but rain has been sparse this year.  It was 93 F today.  Forecasts have been mistaken so often this year.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 23, 2016, 09:28:06 PM
I am tired of the abortion issue. Okla is now ready to remove  a Doc's lic if he preforms an abortion. Abortion is legal.

My new cry: No abortion. No Viagra!
I think men need to stay out of a womans right under law. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on April 23, 2016, 10:06:32 PM
Dig Lady.  I agree with you about abortion.  It should be legal, especially where it's a case of rape or abuse.  I don't think any woman who considers abortion is doing it "just to get rid of a child".  I also believe that birth control should be readily available to those who are sexually active.  Lots of states don't permit sales of contraceptives to those under 18.  I think it's a crime for a 13 or 14 y.o. girl who has been sexually abused to have to carry a child to term.  Did you know that the chain, Hobby Lobby, won't pay employees medical insurance if they use birth control?  Disgusting!

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 24, 2016, 01:04:56 PM
Abortion. Okay, I wont deny it takes two to tango, but how many does it take to use common sense?  In the case of the two dancers, it only takes one. And if two use their common sense then all the better.  Does anyone disagree with the premise that if someone doesn't use common sense then there is consequences to their little dance party.  In the case of the the dance party with an abortion as the final dance, then I guess the innocent, third party, suffers the most.  Death, no matter if someone calls them a lump of tissue that will eventually will be a living breathing human or already a living, heart beating little person who may just be one who will have their head punctured and their brains sucked out and their little body parts sold like a junked car.

But the woman (and in many cases, the man) are now relieved of the responsibility of rearing a child.  And the process can be repeated again.  Which is also the case.

In regards to rape, incest and sex after being drugged, I ask how many do you think actually occur that would require an abortion?  In most of the cases cited I think that preventative measures would have been taken, with the exception of incest, at the time of the incident.   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 24, 2016, 01:11:21 PM
Obama's and their bottomless pit of discontent.  Once again the Obama's want to paint with a wide brush.  No mention of "decency" in her little dissertation on civil rights on a subject that has no civil rights implications.  This is about sexual preference, pure and simple.

First Lady Targets Mississippi 'Religious Freedom' Bill in Commencement Speech

""So we've got to stand side by side with all our neighbors â€"- straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender; Muslim, Jew, Christian, Hindu immigrant, Native American -- because the march for civil rights isn't just about African Americans, it's about all Americans," she said. "It's about making things more just, more equal, more free for all our kids and grandkids. That's the story you all have the opportunity to write. That's what this historic university has prepared you to do."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lady-targets-mississippi-religious-freedom-bill-commencement-speech/story?id=38626338 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lady-targets-mississippi-religious-freedom-bill-commencement-speech/story?id=38626338)

Maybe you don't mind your young daughter, granddaughter, son, or grandson going into the bathroom with some deviate, but I sure do.  Or would I like my wife having to share the bathroom with some pervert that gets his jollies watching other women because He says he is a woman.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 24, 2016, 01:36:58 PM
Guess Obama is rehearsing for "world leader" or "kingship" or just being a pain in the rearend.  The later sounds about right.  His meddling, which we are used to, is now getting on others nerves.


Bar-rig Obama: US president accused of rigging question time session
Brexit campaigners blast ‘stage managed’ visit


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7100864/President-accused-of-rigging-question-time-session.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7100864/President-accused-of-rigging-question-time-session.html)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 24, 2016, 01:39:55 PM
Hmmm, some obviously are not impressed with the "smartest" man in the world.

Boris Johnson rages at 'ridiculous and weird' Obama: Extraordinary statement to MoS mocks President over his threat to hold back trade deal in devastating intervention

    Johnson mocked US President's claim Brexit would affect Anglo-US trade

    'Ridiculous to warn that the UK will be at the back of the queue,' he said

    Infighting broke out in 'Leave' campaign following Obama's intervention

    Some privately admitted that they fear a defeat in the June 23 referendum

    For the latest on the EU referendum visit www.dailymail.co.uk/EUref

By Simon Walters and Glen Owen for The Mail on Sunday

Published: 16:07 EST, 23 April 2016 | Updated: 07:29 EST, 24 April 2016


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555600/Boris-rage-ridiculous-weird-Obama-Extraordinary-statement-MoS-mocks-President-trade-threats.html#ixzz46laqiTg6 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555600/Boris-rage-ridiculous-weird-Obama-Extraordinary-statement-MoS-mocks-President-trade-threats.html#ixzz46laqiTg6)
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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 25, 2016, 02:40:06 PM
To laugh or cry?

The truth is way too strange these days.

Not many years ago, GM made automobiles in Flint, Michigan and you couldn't drink the water in Mexico.

After 7+ years of Obama, GM now makes cars in Mexico and you can't drink the water in Flint!

Go figure!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on April 25, 2016, 07:05:58 PM
Dig..if anything can be fouled up the OB will do it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 26, 2016, 09:15:06 AM
Something to think about.

Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins when sperm meets egg

"Human life begins in bright flash of light as a sperm meets an egg, scientists have shown for the first time, after capturing the astonishing ‘fireworks’ on film.

An explosion of tiny sparks erupts from the egg at the exact moment of conception."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/04/26/bright-flash-of-light-marks-incredible-moment-life-begins-when-s/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/04/26/bright-flash-of-light-marks-incredible-moment-life-begins-when-s/)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 26, 2016, 10:23:02 PM
Someone needs to tell me one more time what a wonderful job Obama has done in foreign policy.

EMP alert: 2 N. Korean satellites now orbit over U.S.
'The threat continues to race, hare-like, at an alarming rate'

http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/emp-alert-2-n-korean-satellites-now-orbit-over-u-s/#LzbdOWW2UdWMHTE0.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/emp-alert-2-n-korean-satellites-now-orbit-over-u-s/#LzbdOWW2UdWMHTE0.99)

Obama on why the U.S. won't "destroy North Korea"

...snip....
n regards to North Korea, Mr. Obama described the regime as "a massive challenge."

"Our first priority is to protect the American people and our allies, the Republic of Korea, Japan, that are vulnerable to the provocative actions that North Korea is engaging in," Mr. Obama said.

He said North Korea is "erratic enough" and the country's leader, Kim Jong Un, is "irresponsible enough that we don't want them getting close."

"But it's not something that lends itself to an easy solution," Mr. Obama said. "We could, obviously, destroy North Korea with our arsenals. But aside from the humanitarian costs of that, they are right next door to our vital ally, Republic of Korea."
...snip...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obama-north-korea-challenge-south-china-sea-aggression/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obama-north-korea-challenge-south-china-sea-aggression/)

We see how well his negotiations worked out with Iran, how they have Pulled back in the development of weapons...... ::)

Anytime that a two-bit little dictator like the one ruling of N. Korea can threaten and flex their muscle like they have been doing, then folks we are in a heap of trouble.


 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 29, 2016, 11:47:44 PM
Obama says US ready to receive 10,000 Syrians by 30 Sept.

Oh boy! Do you think they will be vetted properly? I don't like it one bit!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on April 30, 2016, 01:00:29 AM
diglady, does the whole congress agree with what Obama does ? If so, we need to throw the whole bunch of them out of D.C.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 01, 2016, 12:54:52 PM
This is a POWERFUL video that cuts straight to the heart.

WATCH " THE VICIOUS SNAKE"

( https://www.youtube.com/embed/yeJ-iv3MOTo?rel=0 )

You may have to cut and paste link.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 02, 2016, 12:00:32 PM
This ought to gladen your heart.  Of course we only paid taxes for 50-60 years, while this bunch will take it for about the same amount of time.

Obama budgets $17,613 for every new illegal minor, more than Social Security retirees get

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-budgets-17613-for-every-new-illegal-minor-more-than-social-security-retirees-get/article/2590078 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-budgets-17613-for-every-new-illegal-minor-more-than-social-security-retirees-get/article/2590078)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 04, 2016, 11:30:41 AM
Okay, what are your feelings on the upcoming election.  We know who is going to be running.  Trump vs Hillary


Although no way did Hillary beat Sanders fair and square, but what's new.  Hillary never does any legally if she can do it illegally, right?



My prediction, Hillary will lose in a landslide.  If she doesn't go to jail, but the same holds true for Sanders, the Communist, he will lose in a landslide.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on May 04, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
Hal, unless they have stopped using the "write in" area on the ballot, I may use that, or I may skip voting entirely. I can't tolerate either candidate
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 09, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
I noticed this morning that a couple of people welcome the election of a Muslim as Mayor of London.  One post suggested that Christians also have their sects to the extreme, well yeah, in worship maybe, but so far I haven't noted any Christians going around chopping off heads, burning others to death or shooting Muslims in the head.

I am not sure what this new mayor has in mind but I do know one thing: remarks such as was posted about welcoming his election because he a Muslim reminds me of remarks made by many about Obama just because he was black.  And we see how that turned out, haven't we? We now have a country more divided than ever before. We now have a government more corrupt than ever before and an economy that is at rock bottom and an standing army that is the smallest since 1940.  And a woman running for President that is more corrupt than Ma Ferguson, a governor of Texas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_A._Ferguson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_A._Ferguson) read the link, sounds like a carbon copy of the Clintons.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 10, 2016, 03:27:37 PM
Speaking of a government of corruption that Obama has created.  How about this,
political donations to Hillary from the government agency "supposedly" will have to prosecute if the FBI finds any wrongdoing.

Hillary Rakes in Nearly $75,000 From Justice Department Employees

Hillary Clinton has received nearly $75,000 in political contributions from employees at the Department of Justice, the agency that would decide whether or not to act if the FBI recommended charges against Clinton or her aides following its investigation into her private email server.

Justice Department employees have given Clinton far more money than her rivals, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) and Donald Trump, according to a review of federal campaign contributions for the 2016 presidential cycle.

Clinton collected $73,437 from individuals who listed the “Department of Justice” as their employer. Twelve of the 228 contributions were for $2,700, the maximum individual amount allowed by law.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/hillary-rakes-nearly-75000-justice-department-employees/ (http://freebeacon.com/issues/hillary-rakes-nearly-75000-justice-department-employees/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MeriJo on May 10, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: halkel on May 09, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
I noticed this morning that a couple of people welcome the election of a Muslim as Mayor of London.  One post suggested that Christians also have their sects to the extreme, well yeah, in worship maybe, but so far I haven't noted any Christians going around chopping off heads, burning others to death or shooting Muslims in the head.

I am not sure what this new mayor has in mind but I do know one thing: remarks such as was posted about welcoming his election because he a Muslim reminds me of remarks made by many about Obama just because he was black.  And we see how that turned out, haven't we? We now have a country more divided than ever before. We now have a government more corrupt than ever before and an economy that is at rock bottom and an standing army that is the smallest since 1940.  And a woman running for President that is more corrupt than Ma Ferguson, a governor of Texas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_A._Ferguson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_A._Ferguson) read the link, sounds like a carbon copy of the Clintons.


Halkel: 

It's quite possible that over the centuries since Mohammed developed the Moslem religion that many who moved to western countries gave up some of the practices he placed on his followers.

For example there have been Moslems living in the States for many years, and have adopted western attire and manners.  These people went unnoticed until we Americans went into the Middle East in a small way shortly after Israel was declared a country in 1948, and rancor occurred between the Israelis and the Palestinians whose land was appropriated to form Israel.  At that time the Palestinians declared/swore there would no longer be peace until Palestine was restored its lands.

Then, when a series of attacks and hostile behavior began, culminating in the destruction of innocents and property on September 2, in 2011 on our soil and we went into Iraq full force with the irrational goal of making the Middle East a democracy, doing our own share of killing and destroying property, did Al Qaeda respond by giving birth to the Islamic State.  This is the form some potent Moslems have created that we see act as depraved and barbaric human beings.

The McCarran-Walters Act of 1952  does provide for the keeping out of the U.S. people who may do the country harm, and the Quran warns its followers that they are never to pledge allegiance to the The U. S.  With this law we are protected, but no one in Congress seems aware of it although President Carter used it in 1979.

I wish we had had a better educational emphasis on history in this country. 







Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 13, 2016, 09:01:10 AM
The Democrats.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7e6gLht6OQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7e6gLht6OQ&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 14, 2016, 10:50:34 AM
Another Communist success story.  This is what Obama wishes for our country.
(this and a private bathroom for everyone EXCEPT the normal people)
Scenes From The Venezuela Apocalypse: “Countless Wounded” After 5,000 Loot Supermarket Looking For Food
As pure desperation has set in, crime has becomes inevitable

Over the last several years we have documented with clockwork regularity Venezuela’s collapse into failed state status, which was cemented several weeks ago when news hit that “Venezuela had officially run out of money to print new money.”  At that point the best one could do was merely to step back and watch as local society and civilization turned on itself, unleashing what would ultimately turn into Venezuela’s own, sad apocalypse.

http://www.infowars.com/scenes-from-the-venezuela-apocalypse-countless-wounded-after-5000-loot-supermarket-looking-for-food/ (http://www.infowars.com/scenes-from-the-venezuela-apocalypse-countless-wounded-after-5000-loot-supermarket-looking-for-food/)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on May 25, 2016, 10:13:32 PM
Hal, we have seen doctors killed and clinics bombed.  The Muslims don't have the only
claim to violence.

How about burning heretics at the stake, hanging witches and the Crusades that raped and pillaged its way across Europe to regain Jerusalem from the Muslims?

Oh yes, and killing off everyone and everything with a flood.  OK I know it is only a story!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on May 25, 2016, 10:37:24 PM
Ray, what is your point ? I don't understand. Are you comparing our people today and yesterday, in the U.S. with what the Muslims are doing? And if so, what is the solution ?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 25, 2016, 10:46:55 PM
Ray:
QuoteHow about burning heretics at the stake, hanging witches and the Crusades that raped and pillaged its way across Europe to regain Jerusalem from the Muslims?

Whatever rings your bell, Ray.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 26, 2016, 05:20:15 PM
Ray doesn't have his Crusader History correct!
BTW, Ray we have been battling the Muslims for at least a  hundred years. Look up Barbary Pirates. Fighting them was the beginning of our Navy as I remember.


China is worth watching:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-to-send-nuclear-armed-submarines-into-pacific-amid-tensions-with-us/ar-BBtv51l?li=BBnbcA1

I sugget we do a Don't buy "Made in China"  at least for a week.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 27, 2016, 02:58:40 PM
For years I have called her Slippery Hill-- now a reporter gives her a name of: Hunkered Hillary!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-the-new-report-on-hillary-clinton%e2%80%99s-email-is-so-damning/ar-BBtyGcL?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 27, 2016, 03:07:19 PM
Any comments?

Why the president needs to be white, male and Republican: Glenn Reynolds

...snip....
But it’s nice to see the prospect of a Trump administration reminding folks on the left of this, particularly as the journalist and pundit classes are dominated by lefties. It’s terrible, we’re told, that Trump is issuing veiled threats to journalists â€" though Obama joked about auditing his enemies, seized journalist phone records and threatened a journalist who refused to reveal sources with imprisonment. Trump would be a warmonger, we’re told, although in fact Barack Obama has been at war longer than any other U.S. president, if without any particular success. Trump would arrogantly ride roughshod over any opposition, though Barack Obama famously used “I won” as an excuse to ignore opponents and bragged that he had a “pen (and) a phone” to bypass congressional disagreement. (And he’s used them a lot.)
...snip...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/26/donald-trump-imperial-presidency-obama-executive-action-order-power-column/84907556/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/26/donald-trump-imperial-presidency-obama-executive-action-order-power-column/84907556/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 27, 2016, 03:29:48 PM
Another column by the above individual.  Something to think about.  Just think about when it was alright to ignore the law.  In my lifetime it started when "civil disobedience"  was not only condoned but encouraged.  Then came the Vietnam war, burning of draft cards, desertion and riots in the streets.  Again, all under the banner of civil disobedience.  Then the next big thing, didn't like verdicts, riot.  Then we got our "second" black President (Clinton was our first, remember) Obama and he wanted a "Health Care Law" and it didn't matter how he got it, he did by hook and crook and then afterward he changed the law by his own authority several times and then "persuaded" our Supreme Court to twist the law to conform with his wishes.  So, now, why should we be surprised if everyday people, like you and I just decide we don't want to comply with the law?   Food for Thought.  And I wont even talk about immigration laws or ILLEGALS rioting in the street carrying their own countries flag demanding that we make them legal....go figure.

Glenn Reynolds: When leaders cheat, followers ... follow

...snip...
But, of course, the CIA’s “accident” was only the latest in a long rash of “accidental” losses of incriminating information in this administration. The IRS â€" whose Tea Party-targeting scandal is now over 1,100 days old without anyone being charged or sent to jail â€" seems to have a habit of ”accidentally” destroying hard drives containing potentially incriminating evidence. It has done so in spite of court orders, in spite of Congressional inquiries and in spite of pretty much everyone’s belief that these “accidents” were actually the deliberate, illegal destruction of incriminating evidence to protect the guilty.

Then there’s Hillary’s email scandal, in which emails kept on a private unsecure server â€" presumably to avoid Freedom of Information Act disclosures â€" were deleted. Now emails from Hillary’s IT guy, who is believed to have set up the server, have gone poof.

“Destroy the evidence, and you’ve got it made,” said an old frozen dinner commercial. But now that appears to be the motto of the United States government.

So why do the rest of us bother to obey the law? And, yes, that’s an increasingly serious question.
...snip...


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/22/government-corruption-law-abiding-society-trust-irs-hillary-clinton-column/84744432/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/22/government-corruption-law-abiding-society-trust-irs-hillary-clinton-column/84744432/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on May 27, 2016, 08:07:51 PM
So why do the rest of us bother to obey the law? And, yes, that’s an increasingly serious question.

Hal, because we don't lie or cheat..we believe in the ten commandments, and we have pride enough to earn what we have. The honest people don't get elected, because the populace can't believe there really are some honest politicians left out there.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 29, 2016, 02:13:12 PM
Why would we lower ourselves to the lesser standards?

Here is an article re: Slippery hill et al re: honesty standards:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/does-hillary-clinton-face-a-different-standard-for-honesty/ar-BBtC3db?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 01, 2016, 10:40:05 AM
AF 1 costs per flight:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/its-ridiculously-expensive-to-fly-air-force-one/ar-BBtIbqa?li=BBnbfcL
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 01, 2016, 11:58:29 AM
Quote from: diglady on June 01, 2016, 10:40:05 AM
AF 1 costs per flight:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/its-ridiculously-expensive-to-fly-air-force-one/ar-BBtIbqa?li=BBnbfcL

Such is the price of keeping
our Presidents  and their families safe.   
All of them.
Every damn one of them!

And IMHO,  if we fail to do that
again,  then we are really a sorry,
sad bunch of humans.

You all have a nice safe day. 
Sandy
:bestwishes:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 01, 2016, 03:17:06 PM
Sandy, he doesn't  seemed to want to return the favor.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 04, 2016, 11:01:27 AM
Good Morning from the beautiful
warm, slightly cool, dry rocky coast
of Maine.

The hot and humid weather is not due here
for at least another week.   June is our
most beautiful month here in the North
East.    But of course,  it passes too quickly.

Sad to hear  that "The Greatest", 
Muhammad Ali,  has passed away at 74 ... 
So sad.   

What a man,  what a hero!   

I wish everyone a very good weekend!
Sandy
:coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 04, 2016, 11:27:06 AM
What a draft dodger.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 06, 2016, 11:56:13 AM
Free is good, except when it isn't.  An appreciative food stamp recipient

http://www.infowars.com/video-obese-woman-starts-trashing-store-after-ebt-card-gets-refused/ (http://www.infowars.com/video-obese-woman-starts-trashing-store-after-ebt-card-gets-refused/).

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 06, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
Isn't there an expression about Denmark?  Baby wars.

https://www.rt.com/news/345499-denmark-baby-boom-sex/ (https://www.rt.com/news/345499-denmark-baby-boom-sex/)

Not to be outdone......

https://www.yahoo.com/news/least-3-kids-erdogan-tells-turkish-women-145028336.html?ref=gs (https://www.yahoo.com/news/least-3-kids-erdogan-tells-turkish-women-145028336.html?ref=gs)

and the U.S.  Well the new modern approach...hands on training.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-record-setting-pacer-inappropriate-teacher-student-relationships/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-record-setting-pacer-inappropriate-teacher-student-relationships/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 06, 2016, 12:46:43 PM
None of this is new Hal ..... 

"The Church" has been encouraging women to have
babies for ever...  Especially those who think
that birth control is a sin  (except abstinence of
course)...    As the old men stuff their
faces with Viagra!   :tickedoff:

And teacher / student  "relationships have been
going on since I was a kid.     I remember
my 5th grade teacher having sex with a 5th
grade student.     

Of course,  back then,   the students parents
were "informed" to handle the "student"  and
nothing happened to the Pedophile male
teacher  .   

Please .....  nothing new here ..

You can make it sound like it today's
problem,  but it AIN'T....   

Humanity pretty much sucks.   
Back then and today.

Tragic as this might be,   but
nothing new there.

Have a nice day!
:knuppel2:

 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 06, 2016, 01:20:47 PM
72 years ago D- Day. Everyone remembers except Obama:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vets-families-remember-normandy-d-day-landings-72-years-on/ar-BBtUVMm

I think he is the first US president not to attend ceremonies-and this is for his entire administration. He really believes in our vets and their sacrifices. :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 06, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
Dig, I read a long article this morning, in our local paper, about two nurses who served during WWII.  What ladies they were.  I hope you and others can open this link.  If not let me know and I will try a different, more direct way to share the article.

On D-Day, Army nurses went to war
http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/On-D-Day-Army-nurses-went-to-war-7964864.php?t=c6119fb1843601360d&cmpid=email-premium (http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/On-D-Day-Army-nurses-went-to-war-7964864.php?t=c6119fb1843601360d&cmpid=email-premium)

This message was sent via expressnews.com.

Be sure to play the video clips where these two beautiful ladies talk of the experiences. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 06, 2016, 08:13:23 PM
Thanks Hal, nice article.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 07, 2016, 09:30:33 AM
Good Morning Everyone,
from the cool and very wet rocky coast
of Maine.

In spite of the cool and the rain,
this is a great day for me!!    Happy news
all around!

:wave2:

In spite of the rain,  (which is suppose to stop
in a wee bit),   I am going to head out and walk
take a walk down the street to our department
store and do a bit of shopping... 
(which is always fun!).

Best wishes to everyone!
And have a great day!

Sandy
:hugs: 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 07, 2016, 10:10:37 AM
Sandy, enjoy.  Buy yourself a pretty.........
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 07, 2016, 11:19:26 AM
Things that aren't reported.

Judge, law firm bringing Trump U case both tied to La Raza
Curiel awarded scholarship to illegal immigrant

NEW YORK â€" The federal judge presiding over the Trump University class action lawsuit is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, a group that while not a branch of the National Council of La Raza, has ties to the controversial organization, which translates literally “The Race.”

U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who has been criticized by Donald Trump as a “hater” appointed by President Obama who should be recused from the case, listed his membership in the “La Raza Lawyers of San Diego” on a judicial questionnaire he filled out when he was selected to be a federal judge. He was named in a brochure as a member of the selection committee for the organization’s 2014 Annual Scholarship Fund Dinner & Gala. Meanwhile, the San-Diego based law firm representing the plaintiffs in the Trump University case, Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd, was listed as a sponsor of the event.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/trump-u-judges-group-tied-to-national-council-of-laraza/#qRD7D0FIckQaYTXh.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/trump-u-judges-group-tied-to-national-council-of-laraza/#qRD7D0FIckQaYTXh.99)

And what did one of our "supremes" have to offer on race and sex of judges?

WASHINGTON â€" In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, (when) an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

snip
“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees.
snip

snip
“Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences,” she said, for jurists who are women and nonwhite, “our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15judge.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15judge.html)

Once again Trump has focused attention on a problem that no one else wants to talk about.  Like the problem doesn't exist.  When it is not only acknowledged on our Supreme Court but at all levels of of judicial system. (I say acknowledged, I mean that everyone is well aware of the Liberal/Conservative bias of the judges, it is openly debated)

I have to wonder what will become of our country when we no longer have people like Trump that isn't afraid to speak out.

a good example of race and justice is Chicago.  Black on black crime is ignored and policing is scrutinized to the Nth.  As a matter of fact, Obama just released how many felony criminals back on to society because he thought they shouldn't be in prison for crimes committed.




Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 08, 2016, 07:45:48 AM

:congrats:

Great Job
Hillary Clinton!

For President 2016!

I'm  with Hillary
all the way to the White House!

Hip Hip Hooray!!

:congrats:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 08, 2016, 01:55:30 PM
Hillary winning was a foregone conclusion.  Bernie was certainly not going to win.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 08, 2016, 02:52:04 PM
Haven't you ever wondered why Bill and Hillary both lost their licenses to practice law?
 

Charles Krauthammer; ON THE CLINTON'S.

The Clinton Foundation is "organized crime" at it's finest, and we are financing it!  Here is a good, concise summary of how the Clinton Foundation works as a tax free international money laundering scheme. 

It may eventually prove to be the largest political criminal enterprise in U.S. history and their undoing.  This is a textbook case on how to hide foreign money sent to you and re-package it, to be used for your own purposes. All tax free.   

Here's how it works:
1. You create a separate foreign "charity."  In their case one in Canada.

2. Foreign oligarch's & governments, then donate to this Canadian charity.  In this case, over 1,000 contributed mega millions.  I am sure they did this out of the goodness of their hearts, and expected nothing in return.  (Imagine Putin's buddies waking up one morning and just deciding to send un-told millions to a Canadian charity).

3.The Canadian charity then bundles these separate unidentified individual donations & makes a massive donation the Clinton Foundation. 

4. The Clinton Foundation, and the cooperating Canadian charity claim Canadian law prohibits, the identification of individual donors.

5. The Clinton Foundation, then "spends" some of this money, for legitimate good works programs.  Un-fortunately, experts believe this is on the order of a mere 10%.  Much of the balance goes to enrich the Clinton's,  pay "salaries?" to un-told numbers of hangers on, & fund lavish travel, etc.  Again virtually all tax free, which means you & I are subsidizing it.

6. The Clinton Foundation with access to the world's best accountants, somehow fails to report much of this on their tax filings.  They discover these "clerical errors" and begin the process of re-filing 5 years of tax returns.

7. Net result: foreign money, much of it from other countries, goes into the Clinton's pockets tax free & untraceable back to the original donor. This is the textbook definition of money laundering.  Oh, by the way, the Canadian "charity" includes, as a principal one Frank Giustra.  Google him.  He is the guy who was central to the formation of Uranium One, the Canadian company that somehow acquired massive U.S. uranium interests and then sold them to an organization controlled by Russia.  This transaction required U.S. State Department approval.  Guess who was Secretary of State, when the approval, was granted? 

As an aside, imagine how former, Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell feels.  That poor schlep, is in jail because he and his wife took $165,000 in gifts and loans for doing minor favors for a guy promoting a vitamin company. Not legal, but it didn't exactly putting U.S. security risk.  Sarcasm aside, if you are still not persuaded, this was cleverly structured in order to get unidentified foreign money to the Clinton's.   

Ask yourself this: Why did these foreign interests, funnel money, through a Canadian charity?  Why not donate directly to the Clinton Foundation? Better yet, why not donate money directly to the people, organizations & countries in need?  This is the essence of money laundering and influence peddling.   

Now you know why Hillary's destruction of 30,000 e-mails was a risk she was willing to take.  Bill and Hillary are devious, unprincipled, dishonest, and criminal.  They are Slick! Warning : They could be back in the White House, in January 2017.  Do not let it happen.   

Remember, most people are not well informed.  We must somehow inform and educate them.   

Charles Krauthammer; Warm Wishes and May God Bless



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 08, 2016, 04:41:41 PM
Charles Krauthammer is a CREEP!
But of course,  yet another  Faux News Jerk.

Hooray for Hillary!
Hooray!
Hooray!


Ha ha ...   Talk to you all in November
to Celebrate President Hillary Clinton
Winning the  White House!

:jump:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 08, 2016, 04:51:50 PM
 :uglystupid2: :cuffs:  They are coming to take her away, away...... :2funny:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 11, 2016, 09:06:06 PM
I can't believe anyone would vote the Clintons back in. He signed NAFTA= mfg jobs left US! Of course she now says she was against it!!  :crazy2:

She is so slippery! Sleazy to the point of stealing White House items (worth $23,000) when they left last time!

E-mails-Benghazi-her known dislke for the secret service-my the list is long

oh heck! What does it matter?   :o

Well the US taxpayer will be saving $10,000/month that she charges the secret service for the apartment on their property!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 12, 2016, 02:39:45 PM
Well, guess some progress is being made, Obama now acknowledges that a terrorist committed the killings in Orlando.  But of course he still thinks it was our laws that let him have the weapons.  :uglystupid2:

I guess we could say Mateen was not one of the moderate Muslims.  But how would we know, none of the moderates are saying anything.

ISIS is celebrating and taking credit.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 13, 2016, 09:31:30 AM
Obama and Orlando and other attacks:



Obama: ‘We’ are to blame, not Islamic terrorism, for massacre

snip.....
Here again, and horribly, we have an unmistakable indication that Obama finds it astonishingly easy to divorce himself from a reality he doesn’t like â€" the reality of the Islamist terror war against the United States and how it is moving to our shores in the form of lone-wolf attacks.

He called it “terror,” which it is. But using the word “terror” without a limiting and defining adjective is like a doctor calling a disease “cancer” without making note of the affected area of the body ......
snip

http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/obama-says-we-are-to-blame-not-islamic-terrorism-for-orlando-massacre/ (http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/obama-says-we-are-to-blame-not-islamic-terrorism-for-orlando-massacre/)

We mustn't define our enemy.  Unfortunately we have way too many people who think this way and now we have 50 or more people dead, in the latest attack, as well as about the same number wounded. 

And more to come.  No doubt in my mind.  And by the same group.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 13, 2016, 04:04:36 PM
Lifted from my email.

And Saturdays Radical Islamic attack once again illustrates Obama's "care less attitude" he is blaming American and gun control for the loss of life and wounding of 100 people.  He will do nothing but keep bringing more Muslims into our country.


                David Limbaugh is Rush's younger brother.  He’s got a law degree and a poli-sci degree.  Has been a professor, is an author, has served in political capacities, and is regarded as an expert in law and politics. The man is an extremely articulate and eloquent wordsmith with what appears to be a superlative talent for framing his arguments in visceral terms.   His discussion below pretty much puts America's political scene, as being impacted by Trump, into crystal clear focus.

                The Establishment birthed Trump!

                Much of the establishment's criticism of Donald Trump comes from its failure to comprehend the reasons for his soaring popularity.  Establishment types seem untroubled by the problems facing America, so they can't understand the urgency that fathered Trump's rise.  Minor adjustments to the Hindenburg's dining room menu just aren't going to get it.
                 
                Their overwrought analysis, their hand-wringing and their contemptuousness for Trump betray a disdain not only for Trump but for Americans who recognize the gravity of America's predicament -- and who, in desperation, have turned to Trump for bold action.
                 
                It's hard to overstate Americans' concern for the state of the nation.  Horrified by President Obama's Sherman-esque march through America, they are tired of hearing that nothing can be done.  They are through with empty promises from establishment politicians.
                 
                People are tired of Obama's pitting blacks against whites, women against men, gays against heterosexuals, rich against poor, non-taxpayers against taxpayers, citizens against cops and his Muslims against Christians.  They can no longer stomach Obama's apologizing for America and excusing terrorists while rushing to attack Christians at every turn.
                 
                People are sick of being called racists for things that happened in this country before they were born or before they could vote, for opposing Obama's destructive agenda, or for simply being Republicans.  They abhor the war on cops orchestrated by racial hucksters and pandering politicians.  They are incredulous that any president would deliberately engineer America's decline and degrade our military.  They are tired of the nation's chief executive officer's flouting laws and thwarting the people's will.
                 
                Americans are sick of Obama's trashing America's founding, assaulting capitalism, and bellowing about man-made global warming as a pretense to impose more liberty-smothering regulations.  They are nauseated by politicians who are more interested in bipartisanship with scofflaws than with saving the nation.
                 
                People are mortified by the nation's fiscal instability, its unbridled national debt, its spiraling entitlements and Washington's refusal to address them.  They are sick of the fraudulent spending "cuts."  They have had their fill of the lies, especially about Obamacare, whose costs dwarf Obama's promised projections and are getting worse by the day.  They've reached their limit with this administration's rewarding unemployment and laziness while punishing work, its honoring socialism and demonizing capitalism.
                 
                People are sick of politically correct bullies.  They are exhausted by lectures about not paying their fair share when half the income earners don't pay income taxes.  They are fed up with lies about decreasing unemployment rates when tens of millions have dropped out of the workforce.
                 
                Every other week, we face a new existential threat to the nation -- threats perpetrated or enabled by Obama and the Washington establishment.  But the establishment meets these perils with barely disguised indifference.  Islamic terrorism is overrunning the Middle East and has reached our mainland, and Obama doesn't dare whisper its name.  Obama refuses to enforce the borders; he orders his administration not to enforce immigration laws; he lawlessly grants amnesty to millions of immigrants who are here illegally; and he and his party set up sanctuary cities that harbor criminal immigrants.
                 
                Last year, we faced an invasion from Central America; now, in the name of compassion, we are inviting in Syrian refugees - some 72 percent of whom are, curiously, men.  Are we afraid to wonder aloud whether those who sidestep the legal immigration process will embrace the American idea?  Whether they will end up on the welfare rolls?
                 
                  With Congress' help, Obama bypassed the Constitution's treaty clause and entered into a reckless, non-verifiable nuke deal with Iran and will give the Iranians a $150 billion signing bonus to fund terrorism and build ballistic missiles.
                 
                So where does that leave us?
                 
                People have heard one too many times that the Republican Party, if it regains control, will turn things around.  Republicans have been so timid in opposing Obama's agenda that many have quit believing they'll reverse this madness if they acquire full control.
                 
                Along comes Trump, who gives voice to these legitimate grievances instead of calling people racist, selfish or hysterical.  He emphasizes the urgency of these problems, and he denounces the status quo, the establishment, Washington inertia and political correctness without an ounce of apology.  People are dehydrated, and he's their Gatorade®.

                Whether Trump could or would deliver on his promises is one thing, but the establishment's arrogant failure to acknowledge, let alone decry the horror of, the status quo is his lifeblood.  If Trump is a monster, the establishment is Dr. Frankenstein, so please spare us the lectures.

end......

We are seeing the end of the America we grew up in.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 13, 2016, 09:48:34 PM
Mental illness runs in families,
obviously!
:uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 13, 2016, 10:45:01 PM
Sandy your signature describes Obama to a "T". 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 15, 2016, 11:51:09 AM
Sen. Perdue tells Faith and Freedom
attendees to pray for Obama.

"We should pray like Psalm 109:8 says:
Let his days be few"

Sen. David Perdue is the junior senator
from Georgia. He's known in the Senate
as a nice, modest guy â€" not one of the
bomb throwers, by any means.

Here is how the prayer he encouraged
the audience to make for Obama continues:

Let his days be few; and let another
take his office.

Let his children be fatherless, and
his wife a widow.

Let his children be continually vagabonds,
and beg: let them seek their bread also
out of their desolate places.

Let the extortioner catch all that he hath;
and let the strangers spoil his labor.

Let there be none to extend mercy unto him:
neither let there be any to favor
his fatherless children.

Let his posterity be cut off;
and in the generation following
let their name be blotted out.

Let the iniquity of his fathers be
remembered  with the Lord;
and let not the sin of his mother
be blotted out.

This is the sad, sad, 
world we live in  today.
Sandy
:coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 22, 2016, 01:02:07 PM
Trump is turning up the heat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUW2-MUonbo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUW2-MUonbo)

Crooked Hillary has lots of explaining to do.

:2funny:She might find Trump a little more annoying than those snipers in Bosnia, where she had to dodge their bullets......... :2funny:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on June 22, 2016, 06:40:29 PM
Sandy --- :thumbup:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 24, 2016, 08:32:24 AM
Well, looks like England is telling Liberal Europe to take a hike.  They want to control their own destiny. Good for them.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 24, 2016, 01:10:20 PM
I wish Kelley from Isle of Man was still posting here. He could give me some understanding of what it means now that Brit has left the Eu.

BTW he left because there were posters who were rude to him.  Awful!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Beverly on June 24, 2016, 03:14:11 PM
Diglady - Kelly stopped posting in Politics but continued to post daily in several other forums. His last posts were on May 16. A lot of people are concerned because he stopped without warning and has not answered e-mails, etc. On May 16th he said he was having computer problems.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on June 24, 2016, 03:27:49 PM
I came across this blog a week ago. It makes for very interesting reading.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

The List of 358 Obama Accomplishments so far, With Citations

"In 2008, we elected the most progressive president in history. And regardless of the negativity, when you actually look at the record, there has been a lot of progress since January 20, 2009.
Here is a list of many of President Obama’s accomplishments as President. Every one of them has a citation, so no one can dismiss them out of hand, although many have tried since I started to compile this list.  Even with the obstacles we gave him, especially the Republican Congress, this President will leave a hell of a legacy...."

(This is just the list of headings)
Changed the Culture of the Executive Branch
Staved Off a Bush Depression, Improved the Economy
Specific Examples of Economic Improvement
Addressed Wrongdoing in the Financial Sector
Improved Conditions for Consumers and Small Businesses
Strengthened the Middle Class and Fought Poverty
Addressed Civil Rights and Equality
Improved Workers’ Rights
Protected the Rights of Gay People
Improved Conditions for Women
Addressed Criminal Justice Failings and the Gun Culture
Improved Treatment of Soldiers and Veterans
Improved America’s Reputation Around the World
Changed US Approach to “Defense” and National Security
Improved Education and Educational Opportunities
Restored the Adult View on Science and Technology
Improved Our Health
Addressed the Environment While Dealing with Energy Needs
There’s a Lot More!

And Did You Know?

Despite the characterizations of some, Obama’s success rate in winning congressional votes on issues was an unprecedented 96.7% for his first year in office.  Though he is often cited as superior to Obama, President Lyndon Johnson’s success rate in 1965 was only 93%.

http://n.pr/i3d7cY

And of course…
Despite the odds, became the first black president and then, was reelected by a wide margin.

:hat:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 24, 2016, 03:53:19 PM
Your government at work.  Although, it's accuracy can/should be questioned.

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/doioig.gov/files/2016EAU010Public.pdf (https://www.doioig.gov/sites/doioig.gov/files/2016EAU010Public.pdf)

This report by the IG shows how not much of what government reports can be trusted these days.  Politics is the name of the game
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 24, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
   rutumi
QuoteDespite the characterizations of some, Obama’s success rate in winning congressional votes on issues was an unprecedented 96.7% for his first year in office.  Though he is often cited as superior to Obama, President Lyndon Johnson’s success rate in 1965 was only 93%.

Obama had both a Democratic House of Representatives and Senate.  It should have been 100 percent.  One big failure of his during this period and the second year of his administration.  No Immigration Reform which he harps about now how the Republicans are not doing anything.    ::)


Dig:  It is going to take two years of more to disengage from the EU and during that period you can bet you boots every obstacle will be erected to stop them leaving.  I would suspect that the Brits will do very well, they run their country very well for a few hundred years.




Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 24, 2016, 04:41:01 PM
Beverely, thanks. I knew Kelley was still posting elsewhere as he and I had a couple of emails as I asked him to come back to Politics but he said a couple of posters were rude to him.  When he called them on it they refused to acknowledge their rudeness.

Hope his computer problems heal quickly!

rutumi, yes that is a long list. Alot of BS in the list too. Just one-improved our health! Really!!!  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 24, 2016, 10:24:05 PM
Dig, I was one that he considered rude to him.  Of course his rudeness was only fair criticism.  I am sorry he is so thin skinned that he cannot discuss differences of opinion without being offended.  Politics is not for the faint hearted.

Good thing Sandy and I are not that thinned skin.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 24, 2016, 10:49:43 PM
Dig here is an interesting article on Brixit  A couple of key paragraphs:

"The document indicated that Germany would drive a hard bargain to “avoid offering false incentives for other member states when settling on new arrangements”. Specifically, the paper advocates “no automatic access to the single market”, Handelsblatt reported on Friday afternoon.

While Brussels talked tough, a chorus of European capitals, anxious to avoid clashes with their own Eurosceptic citizens, stressed that the Brexit vote should be seen as a wake-up call for a union that was increasingly losing touch with its people."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/top-eu-leader-we-want-britain-out-as-soon-as-possible (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/top-eu-leader-we-want-britain-out-as-soon-as-possible)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on June 24, 2016, 11:22:45 PM
I too am thick skinned, and feel I don't owe anyone an apology. And I too feel I have no need to apologize for any of my statements. If I couldn't stand the heat, I would get out of the kitchen.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 25, 2016, 05:08:33 PM
A 1952 Law

Here's a historic fact that would seem to indicate that many, if not most, of the people we elect to go to Washington don't have the slightest idea of what laws already exist. I did not know of this until now. It's been law for over 60 years.

Trump was recently severely criticized for suggesting that the U.S. should limit or temporarily suspend the immigration of certain ethnic groups, nationalities, and even people of certain religions (Muslims). The criticisms condemned such a suggestion as, among other things, being
Un-American, dumb, stupid, reckless, dangerous and racist. Congressmen and Senators swore that they would never allow such legislation, and the president called such a prohibition on immigration unconstitutional.

As Gomer Pyle would say, Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!" It seems that the selective immigration ban is already law and has been applied on several occasions. Known as the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and Nationality
Act of 1952 allows for the "Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by president. Whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation,
and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

The act was utilized by Jimmy Carter, no less, in 1979 to keep Iranians out of the United States , but he actually did more. He made all Iranian students already here check in, and then he deported a bunch. Seven thousand were found in violation of their visas, 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the United States in 1979.

It is of note that the act requires that an applicant for immigration must be of good moral character and "attached to the principles of the Constitution.

Since the Quran forbids Muslims to swear allegiance to the U.S.Constitution, technically, all Muslims should be refused immigration.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on June 25, 2016, 07:20:36 PM
diglady, I think this president would ignore any law we have in place if it differed with what he chooses to do. I don't know HOW he has gotten away with the destruction of so much already. Has our supreme court buried their heads in the sand ??
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 25, 2016, 10:49:07 PM
Obama's Justice Department on the job.

Explosive new twist in Idaho sex assault case
Federal prosecutor's stern warning 'threatens free speech' of citizens, media

The Obama-appointed U.S. attorney for Idaho has taken the highly unusual step of intervening in a local criminal case involving an alleged sexual assault by juvenile Muslim migrants and threatened the community and media with federal prosecution if they “spread false information or inflammatory statements about the perpetrators.”

WND and other news outlets have reported on the case involving three juvenile boys, two from Sudan and one from Iraq, who allegedly sexually assaulted a 5-year-old special-needs girl in the laundry room of the Fawnbrook Apartments in Twin Falls, Idaho.


http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/explosive-new-twist-in-idaho-sex-assault-case/#60pcmbIW1mezluzy.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/explosive-new-twist-in-idaho-sex-assault-case/#60pcmbIW1mezluzy.99)

Our great constitutional teacher and President once again protecting freedom of speech in the United States, not.  But don't ruffle the feathers of any Muslim.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on June 26, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
Ages 14, 10 and 7.  The fourteen-year-old maybe juvenile, but the other two are children.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 26, 2016, 03:40:56 PM
And the five year old, chopped liver.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 29, 2016, 03:23:53 PM
Aftermath of some folks who want to impose their will on YOU.  But according to dear leader, Obama, don't call them what they are Islamic Terrorist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665974/Everyone-running-screaming-blood-smeared-Survivor-tells-terror-inside-Istanbul-airport-three-ISIS-suicide-bombers-opened-fire-blowing-killing-41-leaving-239-injured.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665974/Everyone-running-screaming-blood-smeared-Survivor-tells-terror-inside-Istanbul-airport-three-ISIS-suicide-bombers-opened-fire-blowing-killing-41-leaving-239-injured.html)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 29, 2016, 07:37:38 PM
They are Islamic murderers.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 01, 2016, 02:21:32 PM
Well the Muslims (cant call them Islamic Terrorist) are at it again.

Attackers Seize Hostages and Detonate Explosives in Bangladesh Restaurant

By RUSSELL GOLDMANJULY 1, 2016

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/world/asia/attackers-seize-hostages-and-detonate-explosives-in-bangladesh-restaurant.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/world/asia/attackers-seize-hostages-and-detonate-explosives-in-bangladesh-restaurant.html)

Please note the NYT just calls them "attackers"

Bon Appetit

And look for something like this to happen here in our country shortly.  Happy Fourth of July.  (but don't dare say God Bless America)

Guess Obama can head out for another round of golf.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 02, 2016, 11:36:51 AM
DHS Whistleblower: Why Obama Is 'So Adamant To Protect Islam'


"“I can’t explain to you the ideology or the worldview of this administration that makes them so adamant to protect Islam from harm by addressing it in its true nature,” Haney said.

Islam, he noted, is not just a religion, but a system of laws â€" Shariah â€" that Muslims who adhere to fundamental teaching wish to establish over all the world.

“The power of Shariah is very difficult to exaggerate how much influence it has on the lives of Muslims around the world,” the whistleblower warned.

In fact, Haney believes America is presently locked in a battle between the U.S. Constitution and Shariah law.

“Are we going to submit to the influence of Shariah law and make it legal for one particular religion to have more than one wife?” he asked. “Or are we going to say, ‘No, you cannot implement those provisions as long as you want to be a citizen of United States’?”

The answer, according to Haney, is for Americans to become more familiar with the Constitution.

If you become more familiar with the Constitution, you’ll be able to see more clearly the points of conflict between the U.S. Constitution and Shariah law, and then you can discuss it without fear of being called a racist or a bigot or an Islamophobe,” he advised.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/dhs-whistleblower-why-obama-is-so-adamant-to-protect-islam/#XsJ2cQRRHWVFyaCj.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/dhs-whistleblower-why-obama-is-so-adamant-to-protect-islam/#XsJ2cQRRHWVFyaCj.99)

I know most of you wont bother to read the cited article, but you better start paying attention.  Our country is rapidly being given away to everyone except us.  And what isn't being given away is being sold by the Clintons.  I wont bother to post all that is out there from reliable sources.  I am flatout ashamed that we have so many that cant see the forest for the trees.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 02, 2016, 11:52:08 AM
a poll you that should inform you.

Shocking Polls Show What U.S. Muslims Think of U.S. Laws

snip......

"Moreover, fully 12% of this Muslim sample even admitted they believed in application of the draconian, Sharia-based punishment for the non-existent crime of “blasphemy” in the U.S. code, answering affirmatively that:

    Americans who criticize or parody Islam should be put to death.

In June of 2015, data from a survey of another 600 U.S. Muslims conducted by the respected political pollster Kellyanne Conway revealed:

    51% … agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Sharia.

Perhaps most frightening, 25% of those polled agreed:

    [V]iolence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad.


Snip......

Snip.....
Forty years ago, Husayn al-Quwatli -- director general of Dar al-Ifta, the center of spiritual authority for the Sunni community of Lebanon, and author of the treatise Islam, the State, and Secularism (1975) -- candidly elucidated the Muslim Sharia supremacist mindset which perhaps best validates Trump’s moratorium:

    The position of Islam is very clear on one point, namely that the true Muslim cannot take a disinterested position vis-à-vis the state. As a result, his position with regard to ruler and rule cannot be an indecisive one which is content with half solutions.

    Either the ruler is Muslim and the rule Islamic, then he will be content with the state and support it, or the ruler non-Muslim and the rule non-Islamic, then he rejects it, opposes it, and works to abolish it, gently or forcibly, openly or secretly.

Snip.....

https://pjmedia.com/blog/shocking-polls-show-what-u-s-muslims-think-of-u-s-laws/1/ (https://pjmedia.com/blog/shocking-polls-show-what-u-s-muslims-think-of-u-s-laws/1/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 03, 2016, 05:46:57 PM

:congrats:   
Have a happy
Independence Day 
America !

:congrats:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 06, 2016, 10:53:28 AM
No doubt about it, Trump owns Obama.  By the way have you noticed Hillary's head lately, looks like a bobble head, her here constantly nodding.

Uh-Uh-Uh… Obama Turns Into Stuttering Mess Again While Talking About Trump in North Carolina (VIDEO)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/uh-uh-uh-obama-turns-stuttering-mess-talking-trump-north-carolina-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/uh-uh-uh-obama-turns-stuttering-mess-talking-trump-north-carolina-video/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on July 06, 2016, 12:31:49 PM
Bobble  Head is right Hal. I wonder how much of what he is saying, she really agrees to, or if this is another indication of how one can lie without
saying a word.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 09, 2016, 09:35:17 AM
Well we should have some very interesting (not) political conventions this month with all the other things happening.  All the ferment and stirring of the pot.



Jesse Jackson Blames TRUMP For ‘Black Lives Matter’ Attack On Cops

http://www.infowars.com/jesse-jackson-blames-trump-for-black-lives-matter-attack-on-cops/ (http://www.infowars.com/jesse-jackson-blames-trump-for-black-lives-matter-attack-on-cops/)

Wonder who he blames for all the black on black crime, like Chicago?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 09, 2016, 12:23:36 PM
In his element?

Republicans slam grinning Obama for politicizing Dallas police massacre as he laughs his way through NATO summit

    President Barack Obama cheerfully yukked it up with British Prime Minister David Cameron during the NATO summit in Poland while Americans remained in shock after the murders of five police officers overnight
    Dr. Ben Carson carped at him for defaulting to gun control arguments
    Texas Rep. Pete Sessions, whose district includes parts of the Dallas metroplex, complained that Obama was MIA while the nation mourned
    Former Gov. Mike Huckabee dismissed Obama as a wedge-issue divider for pushing gun control 'at a time of great grief'
    National Association of Police Organizations chief said there is 'a war on cops, and the Obama administration is the Neville Chamberlain of this war'

By David Martosko, Us Political Editor For Dailymail.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3681457/Republicans-slam-grinning-Obama-politicizing-Dallas-police-massacre-laughs-way-NATO-summit.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3681457/Republicans-slam-grinning-Obama-politicizing-Dallas-police-massacre-laughs-way-NATO-summit.html)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on July 09, 2016, 08:34:32 PM
Hal, Obama's actions prove that he is just what we thought all the time. A far cry from being a concerned, American President. I think of George Bush, and his reaction to 911. What a contrast.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: JeanneP on July 12, 2016, 05:59:09 PM
I am waiting to hear if Mrs. May will be the new Prime Minister of England tomorrow. Looks good for her. That will be something if we get Mrs. Clinton for President. Mrs May for PM and already they have a female leader in Germany. So 3 main Countries. Women leaders. I was thinking that one in India also.  Be very interesting. Now if only Russia could get one. Who knows. Maybe on day women will be ruling things. Worked out pretty good in Roman Days.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on July 14, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
More horror from France. This must be stopped. less talk and more action from the major countries in this world. How long, O, Lord ???
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 15, 2016, 09:20:39 AM
a little something to show how the peace loving Muslims have impacted the world.

List of Islamic Terror:
2016

This is part of the list of Islamic terror attacks maintained by TheReligionofPeace.com.

During this time period, there were 1268 Islamic attacks in 50 countries, in which 11664 people were killed and 14087 injured.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm (https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm)

And people want to bring these "peace" loving people to live in our country.  They don't want to "live" in our country, they want to dominate it. Stay in their own country and clean the vermin out.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 15, 2016, 09:44:10 AM
Food for thought:

Clinton to Resettle One Million Muslim Migrants During First Term Alone

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/14/clinton-resettle-one-million-muslim-migrants-first-term-alone/ (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/14/clinton-resettle-one-million-muslim-migrants-first-term-alone/)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 15, 2016, 09:49:14 AM
Is this our future?

Wear a Headscarf Or Be Raped, Swedish Women Warned

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/14/wear-headscarf-or-be-raped-swedish-women-warned/ (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/14/wear-headscarf-or-be-raped-swedish-women-warned/)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 15, 2016, 01:40:29 PM
Why do we hate?

Click below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvGQkiqj2Yw

Listen and Learn !
:hugs:


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 15, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: Sandy on July 15, 2016, 01:40:29 PM
Why do we hate?

Click below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvGQkiqj2Yw

Listen and Learn !
:hugs:


yes lets do listen and learn, but from not some "ignorant" activist.  Let's study a little history and look at root causes and so called religious practices. 

Jane Elliot's Racist Diversity Training Now Being Used to Abuse 7-Year-Olds

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261583/jane-elliots-racist-diversity-training-now-being-daniel-greenfield (http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261583/jane-elliots-racist-diversity-training-now-being-daniel-greenfield)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 18, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Obama's real agenda.....he is saying this, not me...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRtbIQ1kTw&feature=youtu.be
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRtbIQ1kTw&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: JeanneP on July 20, 2016, 12:05:26 PM
Today it is going up to 96 deg they say. Already 89. I think staying in the house is getting to me.  Going to start complaining and Sending Letters to the Editor of our local paper. See that my number one appears today.http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-07-19/heres-new-one-stickers-mail.html
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 21, 2016, 11:18:30 AM
I never thought that I would admit this, 
but I really like the way that Ted Cruz
stood up at the Republican Convention and
said what he believed in.   

That was very  brave of him.   Of course, 
as a devoted Democrat and Hillary Supporter, 
I don't support Cruz now or every will, 
but I loved his spirit and courage. 

Today everyone is talking about how Cruz
"Out Trumped"  Trump.. and no one is talking
about Trumps so called running mate......
eh.....  who was that now? 

Ha! 

It was spectacular!!!!!   

Sandy
:knuppel2:  :knuppel2:  :knuppel2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 22, 2016, 10:17:33 AM
Spectacular? Why that man can just go right back to Canada!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 22, 2016, 10:36:24 AM
 :roflBig:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 22, 2016, 10:53:10 AM
Sandy, reference you plea to ban automatic weapons.  Well.....

National Firearms Act


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act#Background (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act#Background)

They were banned in 1934.........


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 22, 2016, 11:48:21 AM
Ok Hal... you are correct,  I assume,
so I will change it .... 

Thanks for taking such good care of me...
Sandy 
:2funny:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: micrin on July 23, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
Sandy, What is an Assault Weapon?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 23, 2016, 10:44:00 AM
I have a better idea than banning "any" weapon.  Let jail crooks starting with Hillary Clinton, the careless one.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on July 23, 2016, 10:25:52 PM
I wonder if Bobble Head got a stiff neck today while she nodded agreement to every breath that her choice of V.P. took. It is really pitiful.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 24, 2016, 09:16:22 PM
This is a long email that I just received. It is a reminder. Most of us remember the names. I did not know about the body guards. In all the years I have lived I know of 0 homicides 1 Suicide so the numeber 46 who are dead by 'suicide' or mysterious causes and related to the Clintons blows me away!

With Hillary making a run for President in 2016, the legacy the Clintons have left is important for everyone to keep in mind in. Heaven help anyone who runs against her.
 
We all remember the many Clinton scandals. But when anyone mentions a particular one, we realize that they are far too numerous to recount.

Thanks to Dr. Grady, we can recall some of the major ones.

On Tue, 7/2/13, Dr. John Grady wrote: THE MANY CLINTON BODY BAGS . . .. Someone recently reminded me of this list. I had forgotten how long it is. Therefore, this is a quick refresher course, lest we forget what has
happened to many "friends" and associates of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

1 - James McDougal - Convicted Whitewater partner of the Clintons who died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.


2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown (Washington, D. C.). The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment by Clinton in the White House.


3 - Vince Foster - Former White House Councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law Firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. (He was about to testify against Hillary related to the records
she refused to turn over to congress.) Was reported to have been having an affair with Hillary.

4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller committed suicide.


5 - C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.


6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock on September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".

7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day His wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House.  Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.


8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton 's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.


9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited Prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.


10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to the Clintons Whitewater deals.


11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones Lawsuit,
and Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.


12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancée.



13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client, Dan Lassater, was a convicted drug distributor.



14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mean, Arkansas Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot Wounds.


15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a Suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.



16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.



17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter who was Investigating the Mean Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.


18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mean Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3
weeks before his death. (May have died of poison)



19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.


20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.



21 - Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.


22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and Brother.



23 - Barry Seal - Drug running TWA pilot out of Mean Arkansas , death was no accident.


24 - Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.



25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.



26 - Hershel Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.



27 - Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as  "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the two boys may have stumbled upon the Mean Arkansas airport drug operation. The initial report of death said their deaths were due to falling asleep on railroad tracks and being run over. Later autopsy reports stated that the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.




THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:


28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.



29 - Keith McMaskle - Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov 1988



30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.


31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989. (Coroner ruled death due to suicide)  Really?



32 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes"?  Of course â€" could happen to anybody, right?


33 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.


34 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.


THE FOLLOWING CLINTON PERSONAL BODYGUARDS ALL DIED OF MYSTERIOUS CAUSES OR
SUICIDE


35 - Major William S. Barkley, Jr.

36 - Captain Scott J . Reynolds

37 - Sgt. Brian Hanley

38 - Sgt. Tim Sabel

39 - Major General William Robertson

40 - Col. William Densberger

41 - Col. Robert Kelly

42 - Spec. Gary Rhodes

43 - Steve Willis

44 - Robert Williams

45- Conway LeBleu

46 - Todd McKeehan

And this list does not include the four dead Americans in Benghazi that Hillary abandoned!

  HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT? SURELY   YOU JEST!!


In God We Trust   







Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 25, 2016, 10:54:19 AM
emails, emails, emails.  Hillary and the DNC.  Here is just a few the hackers have released, but there are some dandy's.

HERE IT IS=> Detailed List of Findings in Wikileaks DNC Document Dump

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/detailed-list-findings-wikileaks-dnc-document-dump/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/detailed-list-findings-wikileaks-dnc-document-dump/)

Go down the list and just click on the email you want to read.  There are many.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 25, 2016, 03:50:46 PM
Peaches and cream it isn't at the Demo convention:
Bernie Sanders started a political revolution. Now he can’t stop it.
snip

Then came time for the pivot. Sanders tried to tell the crowd that now was the time to line up behind Hillary Clinton and her running mate, Tim Kaine. Boos cascaded down. Shouts of "no!" And then a Sanders chant started up.
snip
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/bernie-sanders-started-a-political-revolution-now-he-cant-stop-it/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/bernie-sanders-started-a-political-revolution-now-he-cant-stop-it/)

Oh, about the email, surprise, surprise, Hillary knew nothing about them... :2funny:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 26, 2016, 08:47:51 AM
This is how the Muslims practice tolerance.

Elderly priest, 86, is 'beheaded' by two ISIS knifemen shouting 'Daesh' after they took nuns and worshippers hostage at French church: Police shoot both attackers dead then search for bombs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3708394/Two-men-armed-knives-people-hostage-French-church.html#ixzz4FWCToKJu (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3708394/Two-men-armed-knives-people-hostage-French-church.html#ixzz4FWCToKJu)
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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 29, 2016, 02:35:25 PM
I hear there is talk of Slippery Hill's white pant suit she wore for her acceptance speech. Well I will
jump in : is she trying to look pure? viriginal? Big failure!  :crazy2: 

White make her look fat-think fat cat!     :roflBig:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 29, 2016, 05:40:22 PM
Chairman Mao......  But like you say, she has legs like a line backer.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 03, 2016, 03:08:14 PM
Now don't you feel safer with this bunch roaming the streets. Happened today.

Complete list of 214 federal prisoners granted commutation by Pres. Obama

http://pix11.com/2016/08/03/complete-list-of-214-federal-prisoners-granted-commutation-by-pres-obama/ (http://pix11.com/2016/08/03/complete-list-of-214-federal-prisoners-granted-commutation-by-pres-obama/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 06, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
The Green Party's thoughts on the Democrats.  Headline in link.

This is XXX so be forewarned.  But it was published.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/08/06/green-party-convention-democratic-party-does-not-give-a-flying-fk-about-you/ (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/08/06/green-party-convention-democratic-party-does-not-give-a-flying-fk-about-you/)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 06, 2016, 08:45:28 PM
today's media can't get anything correct-they lie:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheckingtrump/trump-is-right-he-didn%e2%80%99t-kick-a-baby-out-of-a-campaign-rally/ar-BBvkuXF
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 07, 2016, 10:43:58 PM
You have to wonder.  I kinda figure when she disappeared from sight that they were drying her out.  Me thinks she like her booze.  Remember her "trip" on the airplane?


SHOCK PHOTO: Multiple staffers help unstable Hillary up stairs
August 7, 2016
By Kyle Olson


http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-photo-grandma-hillary-helped-stairs/ (http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-photo-grandma-hillary-helped-stairs/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 08, 2016, 12:00:40 PM
I pointed out to viewers on one of the non-political forums about major news sources reporting by "omission" .  Well the following link will show you a glaring example of this very thing.

http://www.infowars.com/video-abc-cuts-live-stream-when-trump-starts-talking-about-hillarys-support-for-isis/ (http://www.infowars.com/video-abc-cuts-live-stream-when-trump-starts-talking-about-hillarys-support-for-isis/)

This happens all the time and in some cases just simply ignore any negative incident involving the Dimm-o-craps.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 08, 2016, 06:19:44 PM
Evan McMullin has decided to run for President:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anti-trump-republican-to-launch-independent-presidential-bid/ar-BBvnVws

Do you think he is too late?

At least we wont' have to carry a barf bag to the polls!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 11, 2016, 03:21:28 PM
Well, once again if Hillary is elected we will have Georgie Boy Soros pulling the strings.  The puppeteer in action.


Leaked e-mail shows Soros urged Clinton to intervene in Albania civil unrest
August 11, 2016

By Ryan Girdusky

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/leaked-e-mail-shows-george-soros-urged-clinton-intervene-albania-civil-unrest/ (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/leaked-e-mail-shows-george-soros-urged-clinton-intervene-albania-civil-unrest/)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 11, 2016, 03:27:36 PM
Obama's legacy for his 8 years of Hope and Change.

Overseas travel warnings about USA mount
Angela Waters, Special for USA TODAY


snip
The United Arab Emirates, Bahamas, France, United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand and Germany are among those urging caution to U.S.-bound travelers. The concerns include mass shootings, police violence, anti-Muslim and anti-LGBT attitudes and the Zika virus.
snip
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/08/11/travel-warnings-united-states/88458238/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/08/11/travel-warnings-united-states/88458238/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 13, 2016, 12:16:32 AM
Clinton Foundation under investigation:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joint-fbi-us-attorney-probe-of-clinton-foundation-is-underway/ar-BBvwVw5?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 14, 2016, 04:51:39 PM
The media and the truth.

The following article about a hot day in New York city says:

"In Jackson Heights, Queens, residents escaped their hot, dark homes and jammed into a city bus that had air conditioning on high, CBS2’s Dave Carlin reported."

Jammed-----picture shows three adults and four children in a supersize bus.  Could we consider their description a little "overstated"?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/13/new-york-summer-heat-humidity/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/13/new-york-summer-heat-humidity/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Beverly on August 14, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
 ;)  Talked to a friend up north. They aren't used to long periods of heat so have very little air conditioning. Sure would hate to live in those little apartments in NYC!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 17, 2016, 02:41:17 PM
Okay, you look at the video and make the call.  She sure looks out of control to me for a short period.

Did Hillary Clinton suffer a seizure? Conspiracy theorists shock claim over her health
QUESTIONS have been raised about Hillary Clinton's health after a Fox News anchor used videos of the presidential candidate having what he called a "seizure-esque" moment.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/700053/Fox-News-TV-Hillary-Clinton-health-seizure?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/700053/Fox-News-TV-Hillary-Clinton-health-seizure?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 18, 2016, 09:04:29 PM
Hal, I couldn't open the link. My old computer not the link! Seizures last MORE than a moment!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 18, 2016, 10:19:35 PM
Dig, did you read the article.  Some doctors say they can.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on August 18, 2016, 11:21:15 PM
Whatever was happening to Hilary, it certainly wasn't normal behavior.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 20, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
Democracy in American (Today) as practiced by the Democrats (Communist).  Makes you proud to be an American.  Hillary must be beaming with pride.


VIDEO: Agitators bang on doors at Trump fundraiser, punch attendees in ‘gauntlet’
August 20, 2016
By Kyle Olson

http://theamericanmirror.com/video-agitators-bang-doors-trump-fundraiser-punch-attendees-gauntlet/ (http://theamericanmirror.com/video-agitators-bang-doors-trump-fundraiser-punch-attendees-gauntlet/)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 22, 2016, 10:48:45 AM
Clinton continues blame game. This time she blames Colin Powell::

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/powell-clinton-trying-to-pin-her-email-use-on-my-advice/ar-BBvTg9p?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on August 22, 2016, 12:15:39 PM
Federal Transgender Bathroom Access Guidelines Blocked by Judge
Judge Reed O’Connor of the Federal District Court for the Northern District of Texas

Thanks be to God, we have at least ONE sensible judge. I hope more and more of them wll come to the fore in backing O'Conners decision.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 22, 2016, 06:38:39 PM
Amen to that June!

FBI finds 14,900 MORE emails of slippery hill's:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-uncovers-14900-more-documents-in-clinton-email-probe/ar-BBvUo17
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 22, 2016, 11:40:41 PM
                   :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 29, 2016, 03:23:43 PM
God has spoken, government of the U.S., what government, we have Obama in charge of all.  Constitution is just a piece of paper, of no concern to Obama.
 

Obama will bypass Senate, ratify Paris climate accord himself during trip to China: report

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/29/obama-will-bypass-senate-ratify-paris-climate-acco/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/29/obama-will-bypass-senate-ratify-paris-climate-acco/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 30, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
What is Obama up to now????


Homeland eyes special declaration to take charge of elections
By Paul Bedard (@SecretsBedard) • 8/30/16 6:34 PM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/homeland-eyes-special-declaration-to-take-charge-of-elections/article/2600592 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/homeland-eyes-special-declaration-to-take-charge-of-elections/article/2600592)

Is a coup in the making?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 30, 2016, 10:29:53 PM
Want to read something really scary, couple the following with my previous post.

A Candidate's Death Could Delay or Eliminate the Presidential Election



The presidential election could be delayed or scrapped altogether if conspiracy theories become predictive and a candidate dies or drops out before Nov. 8. The perhaps equally startling alternative, if there's enough time: Small groups of people hand-picking a replacement pursuant to obscure party rules.

The scenarios have been seriously considered by few outside of the legal community and likely are too morbid for polite discussion in politically mixed company. But prominent law professors have pondered the effects and possible ways to address a late-date vacancy.

"There's nothing in the Constitution which requires a popular election for the electors serving in the Electoral College," says John Nagle, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame, meaning the body that officially elects presidents could convene without the general public voting.


snip.......

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-30/candidate-death-could-delay-or-eliminate-presidential-election (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-30/candidate-death-could-delay-or-eliminate-presidential-election)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 05, 2016, 10:22:39 PM
 GETTING WORSE: CLINTON COUGH VIOLENTLY RETURNS
HEALTH STATUS UP IN THE AIR


http://www.drudgereport.com/ (http://www.drudgereport.com/)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 06, 2016, 10:15:55 PM
Any ideas


Wow! Hillary’s Mysterious Handler Pops Up on Plane During Coughing Fit

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/wow-hillarys-mysterious-handler-pops-plane-coughing-fit/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/wow-hillarys-mysterious-handler-pops-plane-coughing-fit/)

https://www.drugs.com/diazepam.html (https://www.drugs.com/diazepam.html)

My bet, she has an alcohol problem.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 10, 2016, 12:34:30 PM
Dapphne, Did you see the PBS story on 9/11 aircraft hitting the pentagon? I remember you saying it was a Bush fake and conspiracy story. What is your take on it now?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on September 10, 2016, 02:16:27 PM
Diglady, we had a small Remembrance meeting of 9-11 yesterday. It was very solemn and very touching. I was happy to be a part of it. We sang some patriotic songs, had remembrance
reading, then some of us placed a long stemmed red rose in a vase of white flowers as the leader of the program called out the names of the various sections of service that were involved...like Army, Navy, Coast Guard, etc. I felt that Firemen should be in that section too. But so many good folks were involved in rescue, it would be hard to mention all.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 10, 2016, 11:00:37 PM
June, That is really wonderful. So many dead on that awful awful day!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 11, 2016, 12:31:57 PM
Hillary has a medical episode at 9/11 Memorial this morning.  She fainted.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-has-medical-episode-at-911-ceremony-source-says.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-has-medical-episode-at-911-ceremony-source-says.html)

Do you think we will ever get the truth about this woman?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Beverly on September 11, 2016, 01:21:05 PM
In memory of 9/11/11
May we never forget!


(http://www.seniorsandfriends.org/gallery/41-110916134658.jpeg)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on September 11, 2016, 01:31:12 PM
She didn't "faint"....
She left after standing out in the heat and humidity
in New York city  for an hour and a half..... 

Funny that you don't critisize Trump when he
complains about having to stand for over two
ours during a campaign debate !!!   

And of course,  Trump has
"Diarrhea" of his mouth"
every time he speaks,  any how...
But what you see is just what you
might get.   

Today I am remembering 9/11 and the
tragedy that the US A  suffered on 9/11/1001
during the first year of the idiot Bush/evil Cheney
administration,  and all of the problems that
that crazed duo got us into HELL in the Middle East...

Yes,  something struck the Pentagon  and
I still suspect that it was a Missile that was
miss fired during that tragedy....   

I am really looking forward to Hillary
Clinton destroying pathetic Trump, in
November!!!

Best wishes to you all! 
Sandy
:bravo:   :2funny:



   



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 11, 2016, 02:16:32 PM
I repeat, wonder if we will ever get to the truth of this female?

She obviously has major medical problems.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 11, 2016, 03:17:42 PM
I am Hillaryphobic so guess I am one of the deplorables!


:hb2:  Yea to be an American

I don't think slippery hill has a medical problem unless lying and being a cold person are deemed to be medical!

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 11, 2016, 06:10:42 PM
Maybe they need to get Joe Biden ready..........

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/09/11/twitter-video-appears-show-hillary-clinton-collapsing-911-memorial-service?ref=yfp (http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/09/11/twitter-video-appears-show-hillary-clinton-collapsing-911-memorial-service?ref=yfp)

Her ugliness and meanness is coming out.  Some things you cant lie about.
If what I saw is what I saw she was on the verge of dropping on the street and all her bodyguards rushed to shield her and prop her up.

Clinton Pneumonia Diagnosis Revealed After Abrupt 9/11 Memorial Departure

https://gma.yahoo.com/clinton-left-9-11-ceremony-feeling-overheated-campaign-151603594--abc-news-topstories.html (https://gma.yahoo.com/clinton-left-9-11-ceremony-feeling-overheated-campaign-151603594--abc-news-topstories.html)






Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 11, 2016, 06:11:41 PM
She has pneumonia:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-im-feeling-great-was-overheated-at-9-11-event/ar-AAiLvEu?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 15, 2016, 03:50:58 PM
Posted without comment.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/QwCCj8Dx-gk (https://www.youtube.com/embed/QwCCj8Dx-gk)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on September 15, 2016, 09:01:03 PM
This woman called Hillary is wicked and to be feared. Every-time I see her embrace her husband, I think of how she "forgave" him for his philandering. She could have cared less, except that it may have diminished her in her pretense of everything being O.K., and she could use his sin to make herself look better in the public eye. It is too bad that they had a child that has had to join in the pretense of sanctity in her mother and fathers lives. Being bitter is not in my nature, but they have destroyed my belief in politics in general. And that is a great loss in a country such as ours.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 15, 2016, 10:21:24 PM
June, great post, very insightful.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on September 16, 2016, 08:21:38 PM
Thank you Hal. I am not politically inclined but the past few years have made me much more aware of the necessity to learn not to trust what people in power say, and the disregard they show in what they actually do.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 19, 2016, 03:33:32 PM
I am not sure Hillary is going to make until the election.  This woman is sick as sick can be.  They now have her so doped she can barely function.  And look at her reaction when some calls out "Hillary for Prison".  Look at the bug eyes.

http://toprightnews.com/zombie-hillary-shows-how-out-of-it-she-is-when-responding-to-trump-heckler/ (http://toprightnews.com/zombie-hillary-shows-how-out-of-it-she-is-when-responding-to-trump-heckler/)

Also I am posting a link about what one doctor thinks about Hillarys medical problem.  Makes sense to me.  You can draw you own conculsion

https://youtu.be/Zr1IDQ2V1eM
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 19, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
We need a laugh now  and then:

http://www.zanylol.com/accident.html
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on September 21, 2016, 01:38:06 PM
Sandy, my local PBS station ran a program on 9/11 about the crash into the Pentagon by that third plane.  It showed the plane hitting the Pentagon, people trapped inside and those who were able to get out (usually wounded) and how brave the fire fighters and some of the people who worked there who helped others out to safety at the risk of their own lives.  If you Google it on PBS you might be able to watch it online.  However, it's a very depressing film although the Patriotism of those who were working there and the fire fighters who arrived quickly was simply amazing.

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on September 21, 2016, 04:27:15 PM


Thank you  Sue for your post.
 
I also watched that PBS show.
The  did show one clip of
"something" crashing into
the Pentagon.   It was a blur
and IMHO not clear enough
to determine exactly what
it was.     

What ever it was that flew
into the Pentagon caused
a lot of pain and heart ache. 
For that, there is no doubt.   

This was just one of the
tragic events that happened
on 9/11 ....   

We who witnessed some
of those events on TV,   
certainly will never forget
this horrible occasion.   

Whether I believe that it
was a plane or  possibly
a missile ,  does not change
the horror of those events
that occurred  on Sept 11,  2001...

IMHO, 
exactly what happened,  and why
is something that we will
probably never know in our
life time.     

Thanks again,  Sue !

Sandy Davidson   

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on September 22, 2016, 12:14:05 PM
Sandy, the program I saw on PBS showed a large airliner hitting the end of the building and exploding inside.  It was pretty gruesome, but I manage to watch until the end.  Lots of brave people inside the building helped others despite their injuries.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 22, 2016, 01:43:07 PM
Link:

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365831574/ (http://www.pbs.org/video/2365831574/)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 28, 2016, 01:25:59 PM
97-1 Senate overrides Obama's veto on 9/11 Saudi Arabia:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/senate-overwhelmingly-votes-to-override-obama-veto-on-9-11-bill/ar-BBwJ8wB?li=BBnb7Kz


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 30, 2016, 08:50:41 PM
Obamacare screws taxpayers AGAIN:


http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/how-obamacare-execs-broke-the-law-and-cost-taxpayers-billions/ar-BBwQt38
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on October 01, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
How is it that Trump is able to pull so many good people down into his gold-plated gutter.

Now he has the gall to make Hilary's marriage a campaign issue.

Show us your tax return with its audits, bankruptcies and civil suits for failure to pay contractors.

The presidency is not a dictatorship and Congress has some other ideas.

Have a good day and be sure to go to church tomorrow where all the hate for democrats and Hilary might ooze out of you into a more Christian life;.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 01, 2016, 12:31:41 PM
Guess we can put ray into the Hillary column. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 04, 2016, 01:51:25 PM
Ray thinks that if we disagree with Democrats we hate them. No! I do feel sorry for them as they have not at this point listened to their quaisi leader! They really are sick!   :-*
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 04, 2016, 03:19:15 PM
Vote for Trump!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Nh8kaXXv35c?rel=0 (https://www.youtube.com/embed/Nh8kaXXv35c?rel=0)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 04, 2016, 03:55:29 PM
I might ask the same question of Crooked Hillary, except wonder how she lost so much when she wasn't even working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmZ3Ez0sQ3o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmZ3Ez0sQ3o)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/clinton-campaign-admits-hillary-used-same-tax-avoidance-scheme-trump (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/clinton-campaign-admits-hillary-used-same-tax-avoidance-scheme-trump)

Got to be pretty stupid I would say for the smartest and most qualified woman in the world to be President.   ::)   Well that is what Obama and his wife say.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 05, 2016, 12:10:03 PM
From my email this morning,


This REALLY hits the nail on the head but,  not a damn thing will happen to them and the idiots of this country will still vote for her!!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMH74EDSgU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMH74EDSgU)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on October 05, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
Hal, most of America doesn't really care. There are so many that are just "ME..ME..ME..what can I get out of it ? Love my neighbor ? I don't even know his name!. It's every man for himself !" I applaud you Hal, to care enough to try to keep people thinking. I wish there were more Americans just like you.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Radioman34 on October 08, 2016, 11:01:31 AM
I'm just a neutral observer interested in my Neighbour's well-being.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 10, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
Good Morning June and everyone else who happens by.

Yes June I watched the whole thing.  And IMO Trump won the debate hands down.  I thought he did good EXCEPT how he answered the question about Pence and is answer on how to handle Syria.  I thought he could have been a bit more diplomatic in his answer.  Hopefully it wont cause too much friction between Trump and Pence.

I think Trump finally got a lot of stuff out in the open that has been in the undercurrent about him and the Clinton campaign.  Bill Clinton's conduct as well as Hillary's needed to brought out.  Now I wish Trump would expand on how much money they have made on their "speeches" to "select" groups and how she sold her office and standing to many foreign "donors" to the so called "Clinton Foundation". 

I think Trumps apology about his "locker room" talk was sincere.  His comments were made some 11 years ago, and they were just that: comments, not actions such as what the Clinton's did.  Actually sexually assault women and then attack them in other ways to ruin their reputation.  And Hillary was right in the middle of it, as well as a well known TV "newsperson" ABC's George Stephanopoulos who for all practical purposes is still part of the Clinton campaign.  He run the Clinton bimbo war room while working at the White House. 

I think Hillary got hit several times where it really hurt.  I know it registered in her face and she fell back on her talking points and her usual laugh, big fake smile and accusations of Trump lying.  She is good at that.

I think much of what was started last night is far from being over and we will see much more of it.  Language seems to be critical of only one side, like what Hillarys side tweeted out was noted by some, but mostly ignored, where if Trump had done it......whoa.......Katie bar the door.

I wonder, has Trumps actions changed any minds on this forum, one way or the other.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 10, 2016, 12:14:42 PM
As an aside.  Isn't it strange how the Republicans in Washington are running around in circles trying to figure out what to do with Donald Trump?  And didn't even try to stop, impede or otherwise bother Obama in his agenda nor or they doing anything now to slow/stop him from importing every "so called" refugee he can stuff into the United States.

Again, in my opinion, I think most of the leadership in the Republican party in D.C. are scare to death that Trump is going to be elected and he will show them for what they are, a bunch of free loaders, who want to maintain the status quo where they live the good life, hang the rest of us.

Our country is beginning to look a lot like Russia and some of the Latin American countries.  Look what the "elite" can get away with versus what others would go to jail for.  Trump must have scared the fire out of Hillary last night when he publicly told her that if he is elected she was going to be investigated again by a special prosecutor and she knows that he will push it to the limits.

I also like the answer Trump gave about the Supreme Court picks.  He wanted Justices that would uphold the Constitution.   Yeah..........  Hillary's answer, typical Liberal dribble.  Feel good stuff.  She would appoint someone who feels your pain sort of thing.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on October 10, 2016, 12:48:25 PM
Thank you Hal, I appreciate you for sharing your thoughts, and I heartily agree with all you said.  Hillary pulls out this big toothy smirk of a smile, one that denigrates the person she is hearing. It's about all she has. I truly wonder how she can sleep at night, must be she has no conscience whatsoever.

As far as Trump groping....I am confident it was all "big boy bragging". Most men would have those thoughts, but not carry out the actions. And the way some women dress, they are almost inviting a "grope". Even our newscasters, their cleavage is rather insulting to thinking individuals. But the democrats are digging deep to cause more dissension in the thinking public.
It is very discouraging to find so many that can be swayed by low gossip. People don't absorb the fact that Trump is a self-made man. His wisdom has brought him his fortune, not cheating and lying for monetary gain. I am not a wise woman in the way of politics, but it is easy to read intentions of some folks.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 11, 2016, 09:01:55 AM
People who live in glass houses..........

Hillary and the art of the dirty mouth

...snip.....
Nobody cultivates a dirtier mouth than Hillary Clinton. It’s difficult to describe Hillary in full because a decent regard for the gentle reader forbids it. Any teamster, cop, or Secret Service agent assigned to Hillary duty has to put his hands over his ears even to think about it.

Several authors, notably Ronald Kessler, formerly of The Washington Post, have written about Hillary’s tense and often explosive relationship with the Secret Service. The slightest inconvenience, real or imagined, could detonate the virago’s fiery temper. Hillary is regarded as the all-time undisputed least favorite assignment in the Secret Service. Joe Biden is second-least favorite, particularly by female agents. Good ol’ Joe apparently likes to walk around without clothes when and where he can, being proud of his male endowment, and sometimes teases the female agents about it.

...snip....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/10/hillary-clinton-and-the-art-of-the-dirty-mouth/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/10/hillary-clinton-and-the-art-of-the-dirty-mouth/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on October 11, 2016, 01:41:21 PM

I haven't been in this discussion since the 2000 election.  I tried to explain then that "I'm not a party person".... my vote is always based on the person running and all the folks that tag along to help make choices.  A 4th grade teacher convinced me that "Party" organizers/managers or what ever you want to call the people in the back ground, make decisions on every aspect of who runs & who makes the rules.  WE don't vote for these people, most cases we don't even know their names or anything about them, but we let them run our lives. I have registered as a Democrat, Republican & Independent ... when it was necessary, to vote in a primary election.  My favorite trait is a person that is strong enough to so their own thinking.

Sadly, this year we see "the party" doing everything in their power to get Trump off the ticket, both Parties are willing to do whatever it takes to keep control of all that money & power.  Shame on them but shame on us for not believing these people are making a living (a good living) on OUR willingness to blindly follow their dictates.  Does anyone honestly believe that The Party hasn't pressed loyal members to denounce Trump, maybe it is more of a threat "if the member ever wants the backing of the Party again".  How pathetic it is to see people we thought of as strong turn into mousey little parrots as they back away from Trump. 

I have lost complete respect for one family that announced they won't vote for Trump, I call it sour grapes since Jebby boy didn't get the nomination.  I thought both of the Bush wives were outstanding, strong First Ladies but am disappointed they are not strong enough to vote for a man that nobody owns.   Paul Ryan is another sore loser with hopes of getting points in with the powerful "Party" leaders, you think?

I would not vote for Hillary...not if she was the last person on earth willing to run.  She is everything I dislike in a female and nothing she does now can change that opinion.  She is the last person I would want as a role model for my daughter, gr-daughters and great gr-daughters. My reason for backing Trump is simply that he is what he is and not letting anyone turn him into a Charlie McCarthy puppet.  Nobody owns him and nobody controls him.  If we all didn't have a little rebel in us our ancestors would have stayed in their homeland.  The laws put into making this democracy work were made for each of us, no exceptions.  We have seen some serious flaunting of laws during the past years and our country is going down hill because of it.

Locker room talk.  Are you kidding that we haven't heard this kind of talk before, and not just in the locker room.  Boys have been bragging about their conquests my whole life (and I will soon be 82 years old). Usually the truth is that the girls have thrown themselves at those guys but let the guys think it was their idea.   These braggers enjoy their fantacies while men like Bill Clinton are rolling in the mud with anyone that is willing to play with them/him.  We have a blue dress in the Smithsonian to advertise the extent that one president was willing to go to.  Words against actions?  Pa-leeze~

Having 3 older brothers I realized very young that boys/men use a totally different demeanor depending on their surroundings and what they thought the people they were trying to impress expected and respected.  In other words, "when in Rome.....".  How funny it would be to watch the responses or the language leading up to the quotes in an interview.  Sure, funny~   

I am sorry we don't have a better choice of contenders, but who in their right mind would want to have the Party People (on both sides) digging into their background to drag up anything that can be twisted to sound sordid.  I realize that the Press did not publish the sleezy happenings in the old days and want to feel free to print facts that turned up many years later.  Wonder what was paid for a years old interview of a tape just released. 

One thing that hasn't been brought up is the fact that Hillary used Bill to get to the White House, I have no doubt she was the brains & he the smoozer.  My opinion is the same for the present President of the US.... she has the brains & he the smoozer, difference is I do think the Obamas  have higher morals.  Any doubt that Michelle will run for the office in 8 years?  Wonder who will be around to pay off the debts that mound up with their spending.  I wonder what percentage of the American population is paying the way, what percentage is living off tax payers either with a political job or welfare, or has a job paid by the city, county, state or Federal government. 

What is not being talked about is that Socialism calls for a period of Dictatorship because there comes a time when "the masses" refuse to work, like so many today, they prefer to let the worker ants take care of them.  The same 4th grade history teacher that explained the world of the '40s also did a thorough job of explaining the various types of Governments, that most Americans thought of our country being more Socialist because we fed the hungry and took care of those in need.  I remember the class gasping as she went on to explain about Capitalism and the difference of our freedoms.  I'll take making my own choices any day, and I don't want to sit at the top making choices for the "masses" of human flesh wanting to be taken care of. 

I have one gr-daughter being swayed by "talk".... but has not done her own research.  All I can say is that one day she will be one paying the debts and wondering how it happened.  We are not teaching all sides of the situation in schools so the kids listen to anyone that comes to yell about how evil & greedy we, the older generation, have been.  Who do they think built the hospitals, the highways, the schools, not with spare cash but willing to do without for the future.  The young today want their dessert first, the families, new homes, vacations and luxuries we are not going to ever realize because taxes are eating away our savings. 

So this is my one time post about politics.  I don't expect this is everyone's opinion and I've slept on it before posting, I really don't like taking stands against friends.  I have one long time friend that declared "Hillary is his girl".... and manages to sneak in digs every time we talk.  I very sweetly remind him that "when he goes to vote just know that I canceled his out".  Every Vote Counts!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 11, 2016, 02:13:20 PM
Shirley, an outstanding post.  You said it better than anyone, including me...... ::)   ;D    All joking aside, I have never heard it better explained.

Dirty talk, vulgar talk and being offended.  Have any of you ever listen to the left leaning rap "stars" and their lyrics.  They make Trump look like a little boy just learning. And these dudes are invited to every Democratic function.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on October 11, 2016, 03:47:32 PM
Well, thank you Hal.  I posted & stepped over to lay down on the bed to rest my eyes & went sound asleep..... it is now 2:16 pm & I just woke up..... too late to delete/modify.... so I'll have to live with my big mouth!   ::)  I really am not comfortable with going on about politics, religion or controversial topics, only with MY choices for myself.  This has been building up for a long time & guess was relaxing to let it all out.  I am going to stick my head in the sand & stay away from politics, it does a number on my BP.  I am happy to turn it all over to the rest of you to solve the world problems! 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 11, 2016, 04:07:03 PM
You are quite welcome Tisie.

I, as you know, used to post quite frequently in "politics"  and still do to some extent.  Many took exception to the articles (links) and some of my comments.  And I suspect many consider me a mean, uncaring person on some of the things I have posted and commented on.  So be it. 

Having serve 20+ years in the military I have no desire to see our country destroyed by our own politicians and their personal agenda's, greed and thirst for power.  I also don't want our culture changed by "so called "refugees"".  Nor our basic religion wiped out by a political religion that has it's own laws that are completely alien to not only our religion but to our constitution.

Although I know that some on this board will vote for Hillary, simply because she is a woman and ignore all of her indiscretions and traitorous acts she has committed.   Although they will be the first to find fault in Trump for calling a spade a spade.  He tells it like it is. 

I sounded the alarm on Obama some 8 years ago and all I said has come about.  Including violating our constitution in just about every way possible.
He has corrupted ever federal agency up to and including our CIA and FBI, our Justice Department and IRS.  And if Hillary is elected, God Help America, never mind Bless her.

   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on October 11, 2016, 04:50:50 PM
Shirley, I too applaud you for posting the truth as some of us see it. I have admired you for some years Tisie. You are a brave, conscientious woman, plus animal lover, which we need more of in this world. Thank you so much for giving us your thoughts and feelings. I wish more people read this column, and heard what you wrote. Hugs, girl. June
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 11, 2016, 05:21:56 PM
 :batman:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on October 11, 2016, 11:12:43 PM
Thank you for the kind words, June, I know I am opinionated so try to not get involved.  Not a good thing this year when the differences are so pronounced.  I am a chicken at heart.

Hal, you've served our country and have a right to defend it orally now, nobody has a better right, especially as many of the politicians never served in any danger zone.  One time a smart mouthed young man my age made a crack about Cas getting a free ride to college so I explained to him (he didn't serve) that "it was just past payment for the loss of salary he earned before he went in & served 4 years, his duty pay wan't nearly what he earned before nor what he was receiving under the GI Bill".  He never made a crack again.   Cas served 4 years active & 4 inactive Reserves.  We were sweating it out during the Cuban Missle Crisis.... he hadn't gotten his final discharge papers & they were past due.  A fire at the storage place in MO, they tracked down his files & we received the flag when he died, something we all treasure. 

Rutumi, I don't know anything about you, are you an American transplant?  I know you are a fantastic photographer and love how different you see "normal" things to come up with unusual/original photos. 

Like I said at first, I haven't been in here since the 2000 election & was scared to come back.  I did meet a very nice lady from CA at that time & we have e-mailed ever since.  I am concerned about her because I sent her a long Happy Birthday message Oct.4 and have not heard from her since.  Usually we catch up a few times a year but both are busy growing old so just a note from each until the months later. 

I am relieved that my computer didn't blow up & nobody got angry with my long post.  I am going to keep my word & shut up now.  Thank you all for letting me voice my opinions. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 12, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
Your President in 2008.  Wonder why this got no media play at the time.
Guess this doesn't shock anyone.


https://news.grabien.com/story-video-2008-campaign-appears-show-obama-flaunting-erection-fe (https://news.grabien.com/story-video-2008-campaign-appears-show-obama-flaunting-erection-fe)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 13, 2016, 03:25:43 PM
Have just watched an hour on TV of a scary performance from West Palm Beach. To get my sanity back, I took to the internet. Didn't that Obama person ever do anything?

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

:batman:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 13, 2016, 04:17:22 PM
Yep, and he is still doing things.  Like attempting to put the energy business out of business.  He has corrupted every federal agency, he has put about half our labor force on unemployment and food stamps. (...the labor force participation rate has deteriorated over Obama's two terms.) GDP  (President Obamaâ€"who was inaugurated in January 2009 and will leave office in January 2017â€"has not yet seen a year in which real GDP grew by as much as 3.0 percent.) Health cost under Obama  (Courtesy of the Affordable Care Act, public spending is outpacing private spending. For 2015) Student loans: Obama placed all student loans under the federal government.  Since he has taken office When TICAS began recording student loan burdens among students at the time of graduation in 2004, the average was $18,550. Since then, it’s increased by 56 percent, more than double the inflation rate of 25 percent.

I could go on and on and trash everyone of the so called eyewash things cited in your link. 

Obama and his administration can claim any credit for anything during his seven plus years.  If they could you think Hillary wouldn't be harping on it.  And her record at State was even worst.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 13, 2016, 06:35:10 PM
Obama has, at the very least ....  [Just posting a few of his 386 accomplishments so far, despite working with very oppositional house and senate]

As of August 2016, a record 71 consecutive months of overall job growth. http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of August 2016, Unemployment drops below 5% for the first time in eight years and without a significant bubble, remains below 5% all year so far. 4.9%   http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of August 2016, there have been 78 consecutive months of private sector job growth.  http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

In April 2016, new unemployment claims hit their lowest level since Nov. 1973.  http://nyti.ms/1YhZEBk

Since February 2010, when unemployment peaked, 15.6 million non-farm private sector jobs have been created.  http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.5% of GDP in FY 2015.  http://bit.ly/2cI4ABV

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:25:40 AM
He pushed through and implemented an auto industry rescue plan that saved as many as 1 million jobs and possibly the entire auto industry. http://bit.ly/ibhpxr   http://bit.ly/gj7mt5

Through his investment in GM, returned to the company to its place as the premiere car company in the world.   http://lat.ms/zIJuQx

In February 2016, GM was in such good financial shape, they gave a share of the profit to each worker, with checks up to $11,000.   http://detne.ws/1mk7Jry

Doubled funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership, to improve manufacturing efficiency.  http://bit.ly/eYD4nf

Increased infrastructure spending after years of neglect. http://bit.ly/f77aOw
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:27:35 AM
Provided funding to states and the Department of Homeland Security to save thousands of police and firefighter jobs from being cut during the recession. http://bit.ly/g0IKWR

Signed bill to provide extra training for local police forces, especially with regard to active shooter situations.  http://bit.ly/2cvFlRf

China’s largest manufacturer, Foxconn, is building a large plant in Pennsylvania http://cnnmon.ie/1k7LT4S

Worked with Apple Computer to get them to build more product here, and the company is building two large plants to manufacture products here; one in Texas http://zd.net/1nkpt2O and one in Arizona http://bit.ly/1mXY5Vg

Created an institute to invest in more manufacturing jobs in the technology fields of the future. http://nyti.ms/1egyXrV

Ordered all federal contractors to pay a minimum wage of $10.10 per hour, leading the way to a national increase. http://wapo.st/1iaU5kd  As a result of this decision, a number of large employers, including Disney and Walmart, have increased their minimums.  http://bit.ly/2c3iwF5
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:28:23 AM
Specific Examples of Economic Improvement

As of August 2016, a record 71 consecutive months of overall job growth. http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of August 2016, Unemployment drops below 5% for the first time in eight years and without a significant bubble, remains below 5% all year so far. 4.9%   http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of August 2016, there have been 78 consecutive months of private sector job growth.  http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

In April 2016, new unemployment claims hit their lowest level since Nov. 1973.  http://nyti.ms/1YhZEBk

Since February 2010, when unemployment peaked, 15.6 million non-farm private sector jobs have been created.  http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.5% of GDP in FY 2015.  http://bit.ly/2cI4ABV

Scolds Congress and gets a $305 billion highways bill passed. This bill has the added benefit of created hundreds of thousands of new jobs and creating incentives for green cars.   http://bit.ly/1NsL2Zq
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:29:47 AM
Improved Conditions for Consumers and Small Businesses

Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices.   http://1.usa.gov/gIaNcS

Guided the housing market all the way back from total collapse, which led to a rally for housing starts.  http://reut.rs/1NTAOVU

Brought airline industry back to their highest profitability since before the recession.   http://lat.ms/1O8H1iE

Created an airline passenger bill of rights, preventing airlines from stranding passengers on tarmac for hours, requiring them to return to the gate within three hours or face stiff fines.    http://bit.ly/2c3jAZi

Blocked a monopolistic merger of Staples and Office Depot, to preserve at least some competition.  http://bit.ly/1kcY2Kv

Stock market has reached record highs, restoring most of the economic losses felt during the Bush Recession.   http://bit.ly/1z4FAtL

Promoted and signed a bill to established the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and implemented it.  http://1.usa.gov/j5onG   http://bit.ly/fnTayj
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:31:06 AM
Strengthened the Middle Class and Fought Poverty

Worked to provide affordable, high-quality child care to working families.  http://bit.ly/fNfidS

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, cut taxes for 95% of America’s working families.  http://bit.ly/eSEI4F

Tax rates for average working families are the lowest since 1950.  http://bit.ly/f74pD8

Extended and fully funded the patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax for 10 years. http://bit.ly/eFeSdP

Extended discounted health coverage under the COBRA health insurance law for the unemployed from 9 months to 15 months, and he’s also extended unemployment benefits more than a few times.    http://aol.it/evtVxDhttp://nyti.ms/emrqKJ    http://bit.ly/hOtIpg http://bit.ly/fTT7kz

Provided  a $20 billion increase for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Food Stamps). http://nyti.ms/gfLqyM
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:36:15 AM
Improved Workers’ Rights

He issued final rules that require all employers to prominently post employees’ rights where all employees or prospective employees can see it, including all websites and intranets.  http://1.usa.gov/qu2EhQ

Obama’s Equal Employment Opportunity Commission clarified and strengthened rules prohibiting discrimination against pregnant workers.  http://alj.am/1mo0kjV

Required companies who bid on federal contracts larger than $500,000 to publicly disclose all previous violations of labor law, including unpaid claims for back wages.  http://1.usa.gov/V54qY3

Made it illegal for federal contractors with more than $1 million in contracts to force employees into arbitration in workplace discrimination accusations.   http://1.usa.gov/V54qY3

Vetoed Republican bill that would have blocked new NLRB rules that were designed to speed up the time it takes workers to unionize.   http://reut.rs/1agujMO  He also added a Memorandum of Disagreement to make his reasons for the veto clear and made a major statement in support of unions.   http://1.usa.gov/1NG7RuA

Cracked down on companies that were previously denying sick pay, vacation and health insurance, and Social Security and Medicare tax payments through abuse of the employee classification of independent contractor.   http://nyti.ms/fOGLcj

Signed law that bans imports of goods produced through forced labor.  http://nbcnews.to/1RuJu2y

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:37:16 AM
Protected the Rights of LGBT People

Signed and implemented the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which made it a federal crime to assault anyone based on his or her sexual orientation or gender identity.  http://bit.ly/gsMSJ7

Oversaw and implemented the repeal of the reprehensible “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy.  http://bit.ly/fdahuHhttp://bit.ly/mZV4Pz

Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees.  http://1.usa.gov/g2RLCj

Appointed more openly gay officials than anyone in history.  http://bit.ly/g1lA7D

Appointed first openly transgender Cabinet Official in History.  http://bit.ly/58zUp7

Advocated that United Nations adopt a policy supporting gay rights worldwide.  http://lat.ms/pQe1RS

As soon as the Supreme Court invalidated the Defense of Marriage Act, he moved to extend federal benefits to same-sex couples.   http://wapo.st/1avDjue

Issued an order requiring hospitals to allow visitation by same-sex couples.   http://reut.rs/llNJek

Changed HUD rules to prohibit gender and sexual orientation-based discrimination in housing  bit.ly/9RxEnP
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:38:11 AM
Improved Conditions for Women

Establishing the White House Council on Women and Girls to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider the effect of their policies and programs on women and families.  http://bit.ly/e1puTk   http://1.usa.gov/rFfqMM

Implemented the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which restored basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers. http://bit.ly/fT3Cxg

Eliminated federal funding for abstinence-only education, and rescinded the global gag rule. http://bit.ly/eCFAI1  http://bit.ly/f92drF

Improved the Paycheck Fairness Act, making it possible for employees to talk about their salaries without retaliation, and ordering salary data collection, so as to make it harder for employers to pay women less.   http://huff.to/1nwVOWf

Signed an Executive Order pledging support for efforts to end the global problem of violence against women and girls.  http://1.usa.gov/MHTRVU

Shattered another glass ceiling by naming Janet Yellen chair of the Federal Reserve beginning Feb. 1, 2014. http://usat.ly/1gqMBfk

Expanded funding for the Violence Against Women Act. http://1.usa.gov/dSbI0x

Ordered companies with 100 employees or more to disclose pay data based on race and gender, to address the pay gap.  http://theatln.tc/1Q04XPL

Signs law restoring Arlington Cemetery burial rights for women pilots in World War II.   http://bit.ly/293rmjb
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:44:30 AM
Changed the Culture of the Executive Branch

Within his first week, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse.   http://1.usa.gov/dUvbu5

Created the post of Chief Performance Officer, whose job it is to make operations more efficient to save the federal government money.   http://n.pr/hcgBn1

On his first full day, he froze White House salaries for the duration of the Great Recession.  http://cbsn.ws/2aNMqNN

He appointed the first Federal Chief Information Officer to oversee federal IT spending and efficiency. http://www.cio.gov

He committed to phasing out unnecessary and outdated weapons systems and signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act, in an attempt to limit waste, fraud and abuse in the defense procurement and contracting systems. http://bit.ly/hOw1t1

He created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. http://bit.ly/hwKhKa

Signed an Executive Order instructing federal agencies to review all federal regulations and remove any unnecessary and/or burdensome regulations from the books.  http://1.usa.gov/Lpo5bd

Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, thereby cutting ties between energy companies and the government.  http://nyti.ms/bw1MLu

Banned gifts from lobbyists to anyone in the Executive Branch.   http://bit.ly/fsBACN

Banned anyone from working in an agency they had lobbied in previous years and placed strict limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House.   http://nyti.ms/gOrznV

Held the first-ever first online town hall from the White House, and took questions from the public. http://bit.ly/2atEVct
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:46:59 AM
Improved Treatment of Soldiers and Veterans

Provided active combat troops with better body armor.  http://bit.ly/hzSv2h

Created a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record program for military personnel, in order http://abcn.ws/1ghLrEshttp://abcn.ws/1ghLrEs to improve the quality of their medical care.  http://1.usa.gov/f4yaxW

Put an end to the Bush-era stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan beyond their enlistment date. http://nyti.ms/e2YQ7Q

Signed and implemented Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act, making more money available to enable better medical care for veterans. http://1.usa.gov/fN4ur1

With Congressional Democrats, oversaw largest spending increase in 30 years for Department of Veterans Affairs, for improved medical and extended care facilities for veterans.    http://1.usa.gov/gY8O3x

Implemented the Green Vet Initiative, which provides special funding to provide veterans with training in green jobs.  http://bit.ly/epwUQY

Initiated and signed a recruitment and employment plan to get more veterans into government jobs.  http://bit.ly/b48coi

Oversaw a $4.6 billion expansion of the Veterans Administration budget to pay for more mental health professionals.  http://bit.ly/gjzTxX

Signed the Military Spouses Residency Relief Act, which ensures that spouses of military personnel who are forced to move because their spouse is posted for military duty can avoid state taxes in their temporary residence.   http://bit.ly/1Gh0NX

Ordered improvements to access to mental health care for veterans, military personnel and their families.  http://1.usa.gov/TP7PVZ

Got Syria to dismantle its chemical weapons without military firing a single shot or dropping a single bomb. http://nyti.ms/1lVEkU7
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:48:11 AM
Improved America’s Reputation Around the World

Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any previous president during his first six months in office.   http://bit.ly/hZycda

As he promised, he gave a speech at a major Islamic forum in Cairo early in his administration. http://nyti.ms/dKvY4g

Made a speech at a US mosque to demonstrate his commitment to religious rights and send a message to Muslims around the world.   http://cnn.it/1PGU1uI

Restored America’s reputation around the world as a global leader.   http://bit.ly/h743y7http://bit.ly/ho4TCr

Re-established and reinforced our partnership with NATO and other allies on strategic international issues.  http://1.usa.gov/e7QuDj

Closed a number of secret detention facilities. http://nyti.ms/rpUc9l

Improved relations with Middle East countries by appointing special envoys. http://1.usa.gov/tiGAGe

Pushed forward the first realistic Middle East peace strategy in more than a decade, without abandoning the two-state solution. http://wapo.st/1avyste

Pushed for military to emphasize greater development of foreign language skills.   http://bit.ly/AxUCLV
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:50:10 AM
Improved Education and Educational Opportunities

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, invested heavily in elementary, secondary and post-secondary education.   http://1.usa.gov/gGRIAr

Created the Race to the Top program, which encouraged states to come up with effective school reforms and rewards the best of them.   http://bit.ly/NHtZ7L

Oversaw major expansion of broadband availability in K-12 schools nationwide.   http://bit.ly/fNDcj3

Oversaw major expansion in school construction.  http://bit.ly/fYwNrV

Signed an executive order that expanded recognition and funding for historically black colleges and universities.  http://on.thegrio.com/1rD50gc

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, put $5 billion into early education, including Head Start. http://1.usa.gov/tzT2Rr

Signed the Democratic-sponsored Post-9/11 GI Bill, also known as GI Bill 2.0, to improve veterans’ access to education.  http://bit.ly/hPhG7J

Oversaw expansion of the Pell Grants program, to expand opportunity for low and middle income students to go to college.  http://bit.ly/hI6tXz

Signed and implemented the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, which provided an extra $12.2 billion in funds.  http://1.usa.gov/dQvtUe

Took major new steps to protect students from ineffective for-profit colleges through “gainful employment” measures, whereby schools have to demonstrate that its students actually find work to get federal aid.  http://1.usa.gov/jkzQe2

Repeatedly increased funding for student financial aid, and at the same time cut the banks completely out of the process, thus us creating greater accountability.   http://bit.ly/gYWd30  http://bit.ly/e9c7Dr http://bit.ly/eEzTNq

Reformed student loan program, to make it possible for students to refinance at a lower rate.  http://nyti.ms/dMvHOt

Created a rating system for colleges, so that those applying for student financial aid know better what they’re paying for.   http://bit.ly/14Dn7UL

Led a bipartisan effort to reform the federal approach to education and essentially repeal “No Child Left Behind.”   http://cbsn.ws/2780qXu
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:53:29 AM
Addressed the Environment While Dealing with Energy Needs

Doubled federal spending on clean energy research. http://bit.ly/iN0sCE

Pushed through a tax credit to help people buy plug-in hybrid cars.   http://bit.ly/j8UP5Y

Created a program to develop renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that will produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents.   http://1.usa.gov/fgfRWq

Reengaged in the climate change and greenhouse gas emissions agreements talks, and proposed one himself. He also addressed the U.N. Climate Change Conference, officially reversing the Bush era stance that climate change was a “hoax.”  http://bit.ly/dX6Vj3   http://bit.ly/fE2PxK  http://nyti.ms/hfeqvv

Fully supported the initial phase of the creation of a legally-binding treaty to reduce mercury emissions worldwide.  http://bit.ly/eJ6QOO

Required states to provide incentives to utilities to reduce their energy consumption.  http://bit.ly/lBhk7P

Under Obama, our dependence on foreign oil has dropped to its lowest rate since 1985, and continues to drop. http://1.usa.gov/1p6kTUy

Meanwhile, oil consumption is way down because of reduced driving and higher mileage standards. http://ti.me/1z4HFG8

Improved siting, review and permitting stations for power plants, in an attempt to seriously improve the nation’s electric grid.   http://1.usa.gov/1l8zNqn

Reengaged in a number of treaties and agreements designed to protect the Antarctic.  http://bit.ly/fzQUFO

Created tax write-offs for purchases of hybrid and electric vehicles.   http://bit.ly/glCukV

Established a quadrennial review of our energy infrastructure, to encourage a modernization of the grid, and to encourage the transition away from fossil fuel use.  http://1.usa.gov/1nx2oMo
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:54:36 AM
(continued):

Mandated that federal government fleet purchases be for fuel-efficient American vehicles, and encouraged that federal agencies support experimental, fuel-efficient vehicles.   http://1.usa.gov/hmUSbk http://1.usa.gov/fLWq5c http://bit.ly/h5KZqy

Encouraged BP to pay $20 billion to establish Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund, to reduce the need for taxpayer funds to be used for compensation and clean up.   http://wapo.st/ds2BxT (Note: it took 20 years to get $1.3 billion for the Exxon Valdez spill. )

Oversaw and pushed through an amendment to the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 authorizing advances from Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.  http://1.usa.gov/yTRYVo

Actively tried to amend the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 to eliminate the liability limits for those companies responsible for large oil spills. http://nyti.ms/bxjDi3

Became the first President to simply say “Climate Change is a fact,” and set up the first federal government protocols for dealing with the impacts of climate change.  http://1.usa.gov/1b7V67B

Initiated Criminal and Civil inquiries into the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.  http://nyti.ms/bVuB7a

Asserted federal legal supremacy to bar Texas from authorizing new refinery permits on its own.http://bit.ly/ww8eMd

Set up new, stricter standards severely limiting power plant emissions, curring them to 68% of 2005 levels by 2030.  http://1.usa.gov/1mML2M3

Strengthened the Endangered Species Act.  http://bit.ly/hscjsH

Strengthened protection for wildlife, and expanded enforcement of laws against wildlife trafficking.  http://1.usa.gov/1fce1Ai

Obama EPA improved boiler safety standards to improve air quality, and save 6500 lives per year. http://bit.ly/jYH7nt

Through the EPA, attemped to take steps to severely limit the use of antibiotics in livestock feed, to increase their efficacy in humans. http://bit.ly/fBuWd2

Through new EPA regulations, he created a pretext for closing the dirtiest power plants in the country, by limiting emissions of mercury and other toxic gasses.  http://bit.ly/rQCIgA

Increased funding for National Parks and Forests by 10%  http://bit.ly/fbJPjY
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 08:57:20 AM
There’s a Lot More! (I don't want to take up more space. Go in and find out for yourselves. And please don't encourage any more denigration of our President's accomplishments. He was voted in by the people of the United States of America -- he has certainly done his job !

Nominated Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Sotomayor is the first Hispanic Justice in the court’s history, and the women represent only the third and fourth women to serve on the court, out of a total of 112 justices.  http://huff.to/eOChg6http://bit.ly/i02wgP

Appointed the most diverse Cabinet in history, including more women than any other incoming president.   http://bit.ly/dX6vNB

Loosened the rules and allowed the 14 states that legalized medical marijuana to regulate themselves without federal interference.   http://huff.to/eQfa7j

Signed national service legislation, increasing funding for national service groups, including triple the size of the Americorps program.   http://bit.ly/idgQH5

Signed a bill that provided $4.3 billion in additional assistance to 9/11 first responders.  http://bit.ly/o7cWYS

Placed major restrictions on the ivory trade in a bid to prevent the wholesale slaughter of elephants in Africa.  http://ti.me/292Z4Gg
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on October 14, 2016, 10:02:08 AM
Thank you so much Rutumi,
for taking the time to explain all of the good that
President Obama has done for our country.   

I appreciate your time and effort.... 

You are a better person than I am,  for I
have given up participating in this political
forum mainly because of the pure hatred and
callous rhetoric  that the majority here
now feel for  President Obama and his
Wife Michelle. 

It will not be long before we will have a new
President,  but I feel that the vicious
slandering of her will continue,  so I refuse
to be a part of it.   

You have done your home work and you
have done a great job.      It is
refreshing for me to come in here and
read your  posts.
:wave2: 

Again Thank You Rutumi !

Sandy
  :walkwhistle:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 10:30:17 AM
 :beer:   :hello: 

:batman:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 14, 2016, 11:05:33 AM
Yes, Rutumi, so much homework.......you bet.  I can google too.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/ (http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/)

You work like the normal Liberal.

When is the last time you looked at Department of Labor stats?  And know what the U-3 vs U-6 stats are?

I do hope you stick with the forum, but be advised, I am a devout Conservative
and Trump supporter.

I see that you are from Oslo, is that in Norway?  I see you refer to yourself as a U.S. citizen.  Are you?  Really makes no difference, just curious.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 14, 2016, 11:15:53 AM
Now for a little hand wringing.  Seems Rasmussen may disagree with other national polls.

snip.....
At the close of a week that began with him trailing by seven points, Donald Trump still holds a slight lead over Hillary Clinton in today’s White House Watch survey despite a flurry of news reports alleging a history of sexual harassment on his part.
snip.....

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct14 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct14)

Want to know what a weak President has done:

Nuclear war 'IMMINENT' as Russia tells citizens to find out where the closest bunkers are

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/721008/Russia-America-nuclear-war-Putin-Obama-bunker-fallout-shelter-Syria-Bashar-al-Assad (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/721008/Russia-America-nuclear-war-Putin-Obama-bunker-fallout-shelter-Syria-Bashar-al-Assad)

And to conclude this post, another poll:

U.S. Satisfaction Remains Low Leading Up to Election


    28% are satisfied with the direction of the U.S.
    8% of Republicans and 49% of Democrats are satisfied
    Satisfaction similar to level seen before 2012 election

http://www.gallup.com/poll/196388/satisfaction-remains-low-leading-election.aspx?g_source=Election%202016&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles (http://www.gallup.com/poll/196388/satisfaction-remains-low-leading-election.aspx?g_source=Election%202016&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 14, 2016, 11:57:15 AM
Courtesy of Wikileaks:


....snip....
    * 1 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) was the only candidate at a recent event not to cover his heart during the national anthem and he has stopped wearing an American flag pin.

    * 2 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) benefited from a land deal from a contributor who has been indicted for corruption.

    * 3 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) would personally negotiate with the leaders of terrorist nations like Iran and North Korea without preconditions.

    * 4 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) voted against allowing people to use handguns to defend themselves against intruders.

    * 5 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) plans to raise taxes by 180 (one hundred and eighty) billion dollars a year to pay for his government-run health care plan

    * 6 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) voted repeatedly against emergency funding bills for U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yes, he just loves and supports our troops, sure he does
    * 7 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh)’s father was a Muslim and Obama grew up among Muslims in the world’s most populous Islamic country.

    * 8 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) is ranked as one of the ten most liberal members of the Senate because of his support of issues like gay adoption.

    * 9 (Other)
    * 10 (All)
    * 11 (None)
    * 12 (Don’t know/refused)

    * 13 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive the procedure.

    * 14 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) supports giving driver’s licenses to undocumented immigrants

    * 15 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh) described his former use of cocaine as using “a little blow.”

...snip.....

http://therightscoop.com/wikileaks-emails-reveals-hillary-campaign-pushing-muslim-obama-narrative/ (http://therightscoop.com/wikileaks-emails-reveals-hillary-campaign-pushing-muslim-obama-narrative/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 14, 2016, 01:40:23 PM
Why Barack Obama Is a Classic Underachiever

...snip...
To deflect criticism for his underachieving recovery, the president wants people to get angry - angry at the system, at the GOP, at the wealthy â€" at anyone but him. That’s why, instead of pledging to work with employers to boost hiring or with investors to create vehicles for new infrastructure, the president suggests that those struggling to get by are somehow victims of discrimination, an un-level playing field, a rigged system. Maybe, they are instead victims of Obama’s failed policies.
...snip
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/12/12/Why-Barack-Obama-Classic-Underachiever (http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/12/12/Why-Barack-Obama-Classic-Underachiever)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 14, 2016, 06:05:19 PM
To whom it may concern:

No, I didn't Google -- a friend in Norway, where I live, sent me the URL. And yes, I am an American (I can show my birth certificate -- if I can find out were I put it), and yes, I will be voting. Have done so in every major election. And, yes, I think Donald is a disaster. Also, I do not think Hillary is the complete answer to America's needs right now, but definitely a better choice.

I am afraid the earth can't take much more of our fracking and continued use of oil and coal as if nothing is happening, destruction of rain forests and other major changes to the environment, warring and fighting, and hate, and and....  "Stop the world, I want to get off," or something like that, was a play?
But there is nowhere to go. We have to do the best we can to leave something for our grand kids.

I recently read a book by Kurt Vonnegut (Slapstick, from 1976). It actually gives a good picture of what the U.S.A. could turn out sometime int he future. Scary.

Well, good night, sleep well.

:batman:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 15, 2016, 10:14:56 AM
Quote from: rutumi on October 13, 2016, 03:25:43 PM
Have just watched an hour on TV of a scary performance from West Palm Beach. To get my sanity back, I took to the internet. Didn't that Obama person ever do anything?

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

:batman:


Halkel: Re post #219: This is where I posted the URL (my post #199)  :D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 15, 2016, 11:18:58 AM
Good Morning rutumi.  Hope your day has been going well.  Kinda interesting to converse with an ex patriot, although I gave serious thought at one time of becoming one myself, my wife is born/raised in England and of course has a ton of relations still in Jolly Old England.  Glad I didn't now, the expense of living there is sky high and my retirement would even start to cover the same standard I enjoy here in Texas

I noticed in your original post you spoke of a "scary performance" you watched on TV, I assume you are speaking of a Trump speech.  What did you find "scary".  Also I was wondering do you find these "ladies" now coming forward credible in their accusations?   Also maybe you could explain the following article, the differences.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article108304112.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article108304112.html)

I suppose the snow will be flying in your part of the world before long.  How long have you lived over there?  When in the Air Force I had always hoped to be stationed in Norway with NATO, but not to be.  Got Turkey instead, not exactly Norway..... ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 15, 2016, 12:07:17 PM
Around and around the merry-go-ground goes, where it stops no body knows.

Busted: Trump Sex Allegations Full of Holes
Evidence points to political motivation behind claims

http://www.infowars.com/busted-trump-sex-allegations-full-of-holes/ (http://www.infowars.com/busted-trump-sex-allegations-full-of-holes/)

You gonna make accusations, make sure you got the checkable facts straight.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 15, 2016, 12:09:57 PM
And.........

Trump Sexual Assault Accuser Sent Glowing Email To His Assistant In April


http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/15/trump-sexual-assault-accuser-sent-glowing-email-to-his-assistant-in-april/#ixzz4NAe8SiOX
(http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/15/trump-sexual-assault-accuser-sent-glowing-email-to-his-assistant-in-april/#ixzz4NAe8SiOX)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 15, 2016, 12:15:11 PM
And........

HERE IT IS=> List of Debunked Groper Allegations by Corrupt Media Against Donald Trump

snip.....
The Democrat-media complex carpet bombed Donald Trump with several alleged groping stories this week from several women.

The media clearly did not fact check these stories. They ran the stories no matter how farfetched they were. It is clear from the number of stories dropped in the last week that this was a coordinated effort, probably from inside the Hillary Clinton campaign. The goal was not to present facts to the public. Their goal was to destroy Donald Trump.

In 2008 the Democrat media hit Republican John McCain with similar allegations. Vicki Iseman, the woman named in the hit piece, settled with The New York Times after the election.

So, it is clear that this is a commonly used tactic by Democrats â€" use the media to slander and destroy their opposition before the election.
Snip........

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/list-debunked-groper-allegations-corrupt-media-donald-trump/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/list-debunked-groper-allegations-corrupt-media-donald-trump/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 15, 2016, 12:29:09 PM
Some of you may not be aware of the contents of the emails being leaked.  So.....

Rigged Debates: Wikileaks Emails Confirm Media in Clinton’s Pocket
Clinton's people asked for all sorts of special treatment from the DNC and the pressâ€"and they got it
By Michael Sainato • 10/14/16 3:30pm

snip......

And then there’s the overly docile press, who were so eager to help Clinton get elected. In one email chain discussing the upcoming release of exchanges between Clinton and writer Sidney Blumenthal, insiders noted that the Associated Press appeared to be willing to allow the Clinton campaign to plant favorable stories. “[T]hey are considering placing a story with a friendly at the AP (Matt Lee or Bradley Klapper), that would lay this out before the majority on the committee has a chance to realize what they have and distort it,” wrote Nick Merrill, the Clinton campaign’s traveling press secretary.

Snip......

http://observer.com/2016/10/rigged-debates-wikileaks-emails-confirm-media-in-clint (http://observer.com/2016/10/rigged-debates-wikileaks-emails-confirm-media-in-clint)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 17, 2016, 06:33:42 PM
* 7 Obama (owe-BAHM-uh)’s father was a Muslim and Obama grew up among Muslims in the world’s most populous Islamic country.

Just LOVE this, proving that The U.S.A. is then the world's most populous Islamic country. (Is it really?)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 17, 2016, 10:25:23 PM
Didn't he grow up in Kenya?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 18, 2016, 03:37:25 PM
Well, looks like it is Hillary's turn to be raked over the coals.....

Hillary Fixer Breaks Ranks: I Arranged Sex Trysts For Her â€" With Men & WOMEN
Shocking revelations from Clinton bag man!

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/hillary-clinton-lesbian-sex-claims-vince-foster-fixer/ (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/hillary-clinton-lesbian-sex-claims-vince-foster-fixer/)

The "women" part is really no shocker, open secret she is Lesbian.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 18, 2016, 03:47:38 PM
And then.....

WATCH: New BOMBSHELL video just released by James O’Keefe on MASS VOTER FRAUD


http://therightscoop.com/watch-new-bombshell-video-just-released-james-okeefe-mass-voter-fraud/ (http://therightscoop.com/watch-new-bombshell-video-just-released-james-okeefe-mass-voter-fraud/)

So, Trump didn't lie, it's rigged.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 18, 2016, 04:00:25 PM
Our un-bias media......... :2funny:

Hill’s Shills: Leaks Have Exposed Journalists In Clinton’s Corner

...snip.....
The Daily Caller has previously reported on a leak provided by Guccifer 2.0 which contains an invite to an off-the-record cocktail party the Clinton campaign that 37 journalists from 14 outlets attended. The outlets represented were ABC, Bloomberg, CBS, CNN, Daily Beast, Huffington Post, MSNBC, NBC, New Yorker, New York Times, People, Politico, Vice, and Vox. In that same leak, the Clinton campaign described New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman as a “friendly journalist” who they have had “tee up stories.” The Clinton campaign said that they have “never been disappointed” with Haberman.
...snip....
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/11/hills-shills-leaks-have-exposed-journalists-in-clintons-corner/ (http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/11/hills-shills-leaks-have-exposed-journalists-in-clintons-corner/)

More proof that the election is rigged.......go Trump


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on October 18, 2016, 07:19:37 PM
Obama -- grew up in Hawaii, Indonesia, and by the age of 18, was living in North America proper. Just for the record.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on October 18, 2016, 08:46:07 PM
Hal, t.v. makes me despondent. So I will keep praying for God to rule...Americans are sure messed up.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 21, 2016, 10:31:40 AM
What say you? Has the cat got your tongue?

An establishment in panic

Pat Buchanan: Ruling class fears the people won't accept its political legitimacy
Published: 15 hours ago

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/an-establishment-in-panic-2/ (http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/an-establishment-in-panic-2/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 21, 2016, 11:12:05 AM
Clinton and the Media.......

Clinton Press Secretary Caught on Camera Planting Softball Question With Reporter
Footage underscores Trump's claim that media is helping to rig the election

http://www.infowars.com/clinton-press-secretary-caught-on-camera-planting-softball-question-with-reporter/ (http://www.infowars.com/clinton-press-secretary-caught-on-camera-planting-softball-question-with-reporter/)

I want you to look at the video of Hillary, look at her eyes and mouth, she is doped up.  She is running on empty and when the steroids or whatever they are pumping her up with runs out.......pffffffffttt......that's it.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 22, 2016, 11:12:33 AM
Well, just well.  This conduct is really not new for Hillary, but something that most Hillary supporters just want to ignore. Abusive, foul mouthed and self-centered to the Nth.  Honesty is a dirty word in her vocabulary.

Meltdown.............................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=_NfFAaPZqs8&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=_NfFAaPZqs8&app=desktop)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 22, 2016, 11:37:34 AM
Did her drugs wear off?


VIDEO: Hillary Clinton’s eye problems return at Cleveland rally
October 22, 2016
By Kyle Olson

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-hillary-clintons-eye-problems-return-cleveland-rally/ (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-hillary-clintons-eye-problems-return-cleveland-rally/)


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 22, 2016, 11:44:36 AM
Whats a person to do, especially about their wardrob?  Obama/Clinton/Gore and their loyal followers all say we are heating up and then some Russian scientist says that in 15 years we will be in an ice age. 

Earth faces another ICE AGE within 15 YEARS as Russian scientists discover Sun 'cooling'
THE Earth is heading towards another ice age as solar magnetic activity is set to drop by up to 60 per cent in the next 15 years.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/723481/Earth-ICE-AGE-big-freeze-solar-activity (http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/723481/Earth-ICE-AGE-big-freeze-solar-activity)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 24, 2016, 11:42:53 AM
George Soro's keeps popping up in all the wrong places.  Especially in our elections and policy matters.

Concern Grows Over Soros-Linked Voting Machines
Sixteen states will use balloting equipment provided by a company tied to the leftist billionaire

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/concern-grows-over-soros-linked-voting-machines/ (http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/concern-grows-over-soros-linked-voting-machines/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 24, 2016, 11:51:17 AM
Want to buy a slightly used Condo?

Tilting, sinking San Francisco high-rise raises alarm

By JOCELYN GECKER
Associated Press

snip.....
The 58-story building has gained notoriety in recent weeks as the "leaning tower of San Francisco." But it's not just leaning. It's sinking, too. And engineers hired to assess the problem say it shows no immediate sign of stopping.

"What concerns me most is the tilting," says Buttery, 76, a retired real estate developer. "Is it safe to stay here? For how long?"
snip.......

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LEANING_TOWER_OF_SAN_FRANCISCO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-24-00-08-11 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LEANING_TOWER_OF_SAN_FRANCISCO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-24-00-08-11)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 25, 2016, 10:04:37 AM
Another mystery!

Did she fall again? Strange gash/bump/implant appeared on side of Hillary face yesterday in NH.

(open link to see picture)

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE/status/790902779950661632 (https://twitter.com/DRUDGE/status/790902779950661632)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 25, 2016, 10:21:57 AM

Hillary F. Clinton Curses Those Who Keep Her Safe

Hillary routinely bullied her bodyguards â€" and with the worst language possible.

Hillary Clinton’s “treatment of DS [Department of State] agents on her protective detail was so contemptuous that many of them sought reassignment or employment elsewhere,” according to a just-released summary of an FBI interview with a former State Department official. “Prior to CLINTON’s tenure, being an agent on the Secretary of State’s protective detail was seen as an honor and privilege reserved for senior agents. However, by the end of CLINTON’s tenure, it was staffed largely with new agents because it was difficult to find senior agents willing to work for her.”

(Much more in link)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441367/hillary-clinton-security-detail-curses-foul-mouth (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441367/hillary-clinton-security-detail-curses-foul-mouth)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 28, 2016, 11:15:13 AM
Clinton Crime Foundation.

The Cold Clinton Reality
Why isn’t the IRS investigating the Clinton Foundation?

....snip
It’s also worth noting that in the vast digital trove of Mr. Podesta’s stolen emails we haven’t noticed emails from Mrs. Clinton. Perhaps they don’t exist. But American voters shouldn’t worry merely about the emails released before the election. What emails or memos exist that these hackers, Russian or not, could be withholding for leverage after the election with another President Clinton?
....snip

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cold-clinton-reality-1477608696 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cold-clinton-reality-1477608696)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 28, 2016, 01:50:39 PM
Can a full pardon from Obama be far behind.  He cant afford to let her go to jail cause he would be right behind her.  His lies would soon catch up.

FBI to conduct new investigation of emails from Clinton’s private server

By Rosalind S. Helderman October 28 at 1:18 PM

The FBI will investigate whether additional classified material is contained in emails sent using Hillary Clinton’s private email server while she was secretary of state, FBI director James Comey informed congressional leaders Friday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-to-conduct-new-investigation-of-emails-from-clintons-private-server/2016/10/28/0b1e9468-9d31-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-to-conduct-new-investigation-of-emails-from-clintons-private-server/2016/10/28/0b1e9468-9d31-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on October 31, 2016, 10:41:27 PM
The race to the Presidency is getting down to the wire, and I for one am finding it most interesting. The only thing that bothers me, is WHY all the proof of crooked dishonesty on Hilary Clinton has come out so late in the game. What an amazing actress this woman has been, and what fools the  American public has been to even consider her as someone to lead our Country. God save the U.S.A. if she should be our leader.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 04, 2016, 07:52:02 PM
Hillary's Hollywood friends make an ad for her election.

Be forewarned this ad is XXX rated.  And I am not kidding.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/11/04/jesus-fcking-christ-please-vote-celebs-curse-storm-hillary-clinton/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/11/04/jesus-fcking-christ-please-vote-celebs-curse-storm-hillary-clinton/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 04, 2016, 07:57:29 PM
Vote for Trump, our last hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vST61W4bGm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vST61W4bGm8)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 08, 2016, 10:02:11 AM
Trump by 2 Points.  Final poll.


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http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-presidential-election-poll/ (http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-presidential-election-poll/)



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 08, 2016, 01:19:56 PM
I am not into politics, a subject I stay well clear of but, just want to pop in and wish my American friends good luck in their choosing with whoever you decide on voting for, or whether, you decide on voting or not......I just know I wouldn't want to be in any of your shoes at this moment of time....It has just been on our telly news, that the American's are at the polls right now.....so once again the " best of luck..." to all...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Denver on November 09, 2016, 12:58:54 AM
Thank you, JACKIE.  MANY, many sadly are voting for one candidate, not because HE is what we want, but rather to avoid the other getting in!  Very sad for our country to not have two good strong honest candidates to vote for!  This is a terrible time in the history of our beautiful country. 

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 09, 2016, 01:05:56 AM
JENNY...
...Sadly I can only agree with your every words, my opinion also....I do so feel for the the future of your country...I will say no more as I am an outsider, and am not living in your country....


Quoting:...." Very sad for our country to not have two good strong honest candidates to vote for!  This is a terrible time in the history of our beautiful country...." 

Edited: Oh my, just heard the result,  ::)  posting my commiserations America....I wouldn't have wanted to choose between any of those two.......
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 09, 2016, 06:52:59 AM
Jackie, believe me when I tell you that not all Americans are unhappy.
I am certainly not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFUabzkAjBQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFUabzkAjBQ)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 09, 2016, 07:30:44 AM
I expect that Hillary and Bill will be among those getting pardons.

Executive orders, pardons, ‘midnight’ regulations expected as Obama presidency draws to close

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/8/obama-executive-orders-regulations-pardons-expecte/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/8/obama-executive-orders-regulations-pardons-expecte/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 09, 2016, 07:39:04 AM
HALKEL....
.....I cant speak on behalf for the rest of UK, but I am sure I know what they are thinking and saying..... :rolleyes: :scratch:

Any way, good luck...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 10, 2016, 03:08:13 PM
Democracy, as a black Democrat see's it:

http://www.infowars.com/shock-video-black-mob-viciously-beats-white-trump-voter/ (http://www.infowars.com/shock-video-black-mob-viciously-beats-white-trump-voter/)

Wonder what the main stream media would say if white's beat a black like this and stole their car.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 10, 2016, 03:12:07 PM
George Soros money at work. 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/people-have-to-die-anti-trump-protester-calls-for-violence-on-cnn/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/people-have-to-die-anti-trump-protester-calls-for-violence-on-cnn/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: deedee on November 10, 2016, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: halkel on November 09, 2016, 06:52:59 AM
Jackie, believe me when I tell you that not all Americans are unhappy.
I am certainly not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFUabzkAjBQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFUabzkAjBQ)

Oh my stars, I'm agreeing with halkel.  :o

Phew. We dodged a bullet with that one. Hope they go back to Chappaqua and stay there until Doomsday.

Now, if Der Donald doesn't melt down the country the way Bush did in 2008, we'll be okey dokey.
I bet Melania wishes she thought twice in 2000.

Welcome to a new kind of White House.

To paraphrase Margo Channing: “Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride”.  ;D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 11, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
It will be an interesting ride ! Probably not as wild as many think. 

Winston Churchill was some what of a scamp! Ran drunk and naked thru the White House on several occassions. Liked his early morning brandy I hear!

I am sure glad to see other posters here. It doesn't make a difference if you don't live in USA. I for one would love to hear your assessment on how things are going.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 11, 2016, 03:59:11 PM
We are going to hear a lot about the Electoral College in the coming weeks.  I urge you all to watch this short video, which explains it in very concise language.  Our forefathers were very smart people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6s7jB6-GoU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6s7jB6-GoU)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on November 11, 2016, 09:05:28 PM
I am content. I don't expect big slide rides..there will be adjustments, and some of those adjustments will be very painful to some, and a relief to others. But big government moves slowly, with bumps in the road, and that is how it should be.

The performance of some of our citizens by hordes of them marching in protest against choice of Trump, was shameful and shows the true make up of some that were delighted to be living on the government handouts.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 12, 2016, 07:00:26 PM
Typical of Slippery Hill: she is now blaming her loss on FBI Director Comey!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-blames-fbis-comey-for-her-defeat-in-call-with-donors/ar-AAkdFc9?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MeriJo on November 13, 2016, 12:05:47 AM
Hello  Everybody,

I'm a little worse for wear, but I'm here. 

I hope all of you are fine and dandy as it has been said. 

I am glad we have Trump as the President-elect.  He's already posted 28 goals he wants to accomplish.  My, but it is orderly, clear and concise.  Now, we just have to see.

I've been away from here because this politics business became unnerving.   Besides. I got sick as well.  Our dust here is unrelenting.  I got bronchitis - the irritative kind - I coughed and coughed.  Had to stay calm and quiet.  Then on May 16th after three days of just feeling not quite right - no pain - just a malaise, I decided to call 911 and go to the hospital.  The paramedics told me they could find nothing wrong, but did I still want to go to the hospital.  I said, "Yes", and there I learned I was experiencing congestive heart failure.  Heart beat very slow.  Blood pressure very high.  I accepted the offer of a pacemaker.  Then three weeks later, I had been home about a week.  I did not feel quite well - no pain.  Again, I called 911. and this time they asked if I wanted to go to the hospital.  Again, I said, "Yes" and this time I had had a small heart attack.  The eight to ten days at the hospital was very bad.  Someone had left two lists in the hospital kitchen.  One said I was lactose intolerant and the other said I was allergic to wheat! I am mildly lactose intolerant - no milkshakes, for example, but the wheat designation was wrong. ( I'm  Italian.  I eat pasta.)  I lost fourteen pounds in a little more than a week.  I was so hungry all week  That same week, I was given a medicine that was wrong for me.  It felt like someone was standing on my chest.  Soon I was surrounded by eight or nine medical people.  I had been yelling out to get the medicine out of me ( I don't know how they were going to do that.)  Soon a crash cart appeared at the foot of my bed, and it occurred to me that these people were expecting me to die!  Horrible feeling!  However one of the nurses gave me a shot of something that took the pain away.  I relaxed and was allowed to sleep  the rest of the night and all the next day. I was so glad to go home.  But. about a week later on June 28th, I had a mini-stroke.  Back to the hospital in the ambulance. My left arm, leg and foot are compromised  By this time I had hired an aide, and life became better.  Now my aide has had a car accident and I've been without her help for a month..I am waiting to find out when she will be discharged.  She injured her pelvis in the accident.  I've had physical therapy and can walk and stand with equipment. Shortly after I had come home after the stroke, I acquired bronchitis again .  Now I give myself a nebullizing treatment once a day.  I was treated with two antibiotics at the beginning, and  now I don't cough anymore.  I'm on oxygen, too, all day.  I've been busy - and I am still tired.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 13, 2016, 07:56:30 AM
Welcome back Mary.  We have missed you. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on November 13, 2016, 08:33:52 AM
:wave2:
Wow Merijo!

So very glad to see you up and
posting after apparently six
months of  difficulties.     
You sound stronger now..
I wish you a complete recovery. 

Thanks for posting and letting us
know what you have been through! 

:missyou:
Sandy
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Beverly on November 13, 2016, 09:32:26 PM
Merijo - Welcome back to S&F! You have certainly had a difficult time. Hope things have settled down for awhile.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MeriJo on November 13, 2016, 10:37:14 PM
Thank you, Hal, Sandy and Beverly,

All that to-do certainly takes the starch out of one!

Now, I'm concerned that we are reaping the results of the terrible education our people have had since the sixties. 

There are people who want to upend the election.  It was such a clear win for the Republicans, and yet there are those with money like George Soros and Michael Moore who want to initiate and support movements against Trump.  Al Sharpton, certainly no edifying figure wants to lead a protest at the Inauguration.  These men have their pictures posted publicly.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 14, 2016, 10:58:46 AM
I wonder how they verified their claim.  But if they are initiating legal action then they must have some sort of proof.

Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens
Trump may have won popular vote


...snip...
“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations.
...snip....

http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/
(http://www.infowars.com/report-three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on November 14, 2016, 12:16:27 PM
MeriJo, you have certainly had a very long and painful and frustrating time with your illness. I am so glad you were wise enough to speak up for yourself instead of accepting what was happening to you. I pray you will heal quickly and completely. I am so thankful that God spared you for us.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on November 14, 2016, 09:45:32 PM
The last time I was here Hal was holding down the fort alone. Thanks Hal for keeping the site up and running.

MeriJo good to see you posting, and after all your travails you seem to be on the mend which is good news.

Dapphne and Dig, good to know that you are both still around. I have been away so long that when I first looked in I thought everyone was gone but Hal.

I am working on a project right now, but if I have time and the inclination I may post some Trumpets! later.

TaTa.....

Emma
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 14, 2016, 10:55:59 PM
Always happy to see others express their views.....welcome back Emma



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 16, 2016, 10:40:55 AM
Hi Emma, Yes I am still here and so glad to see you posting. I post infrequently as I am in pain. I fell 6th Oct and broke my back and was in hospital for 2 weeks-- now home and doing rehab. Doing much better.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Denver on November 17, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: halkel on November 14, 2016, 10:55:59 PM
Always happy to see others express their views....


😍ðŸ¤"😸ðŸ¤'ðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ'

My view is,  I AM VERY HAPPY!  THANK YOU!

Now let the changes begin!


GO RED!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on November 17, 2016, 07:06:38 PM
Jenny, me too. God heard our prayers, and His Will was done. Now prayers go out for our President elect...he will need them. There are mean and cruel people out there, just waiting for him to make a mis-step.

Emma, yes, Hal kept us informed and kept the place active. Thank you Hal.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on November 17, 2016, 10:02:10 PM
Unless "the Donald" makes a 100 degree change in his attitude, I personally don't think God had much to do with it.  I didn't like Hillary either and wrote in Bernie Sanders, but hey--all you people thought you were getting your way.  I'm waiting to see how much our allies can work with the egotistical supporter of President Putin--who supported Trump.

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 17, 2016, 10:27:13 PM
SCFSue, we will have to wait until January 21st to see him in action.  But hang on when he starts.  It's gonna be a ride I am looking forward to.

How do you like Obama going overseas and telling everyone all about our President elect.   :2funny:     :2funny:      :2funny:       :2funny:
Talk about ego.......
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 18, 2016, 10:38:55 AM
Just wondering.  Are all these anti-Trump demonstrators racist good for nothing like us anti-Obama folks, even if we didn't demonstrate.  Just told the truth about him.

I was just wondering since I haven't seen any comments from any of you.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 19, 2016, 03:09:06 PM
Those anti demonstrators-- simply democrats who do NOT believe in the Democratic system. They are poorly educated and poorly brought up children!

They claim, when confronted, to be exercising their freedom of speech but  they don't allow anyone else with thoughts unlike theirs to speak out!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on November 19, 2016, 09:39:43 PM
Hal, those that are demonstrating are just plain demonstrating, I don't think they care one fig about what they yell...they are just like bad kids, that need a good spanking. If they were true patriots they would not be out there disrupting normal things..people coming home from work that are tired and hungry and have to worry about if their roads are closed..Police that are over worked and frustrated with the mass of ignorant humanity, store owners that are concerned about their merchandise....but these demonstrators don't care. They are having a great time. Misbehaving. tsk tsk tsk.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MeriJo on November 20, 2016, 12:03:36 AM
Quote from: June Drabek on November 14, 2016, 12:16:27 PM
MeriJo, you have certainly had a very long and painful and frustrating time with your illness. I am so glad you were wise enough to speak up for yourself instead of accepting what was happening to you. I pray you will heal quickly and completely. I am so thankful that God spared you for us.


Dear June,

Thank you for your kind words.  Everything, I learned after I got to the hospital each of those two times surprised me no end.  I had no advertised symptoms at all (chest pain), and when I had the mini-stroke (so doctor said) I did realize my foot was not minding me, and that I was having a stroke.  Now, I'm trying to keep exercising, by walking around in the house and outdoors a bit using a support walker.  My son walks with me so I won't fall over.  Outdoors he follows me with the wheelchair so I can sit down if I feel wobbly.  The neurologist said my mobility would come back.


I'm having a time with looking for articles to read that sound a little truthful these days.  I did find one this morning by Continetti of the Free Beacon who contradicts the pundits who say that the transition work by Trump is in disarray.  It isn't, but most articles are still negative, hostile and/or speculative.  Here's the link.

http://freebeacon.com/columns/trump-takes-charge/

I like  Trump's picks so far. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MeriJo on November 20, 2016, 12:25:39 AM
Quote from: Emma on November 14, 2016, 09:45:32 PM
The last time I was here Hal was holding down the fort alone. Thanks Hal for keeping the site up and running.

MeriJo good to see you posting, and after all your travails you seem to be on the mend which is good news.

Dapphne and Dig, good to know that you are both still around. I have been away so long that when I first looked in I thought everyone was gone but Hal.

I am working on a project right now, but if I have time and the inclination I may post some Trumpets! later.

TaTa.....

Emma



Thank you, Emma! 

I do feel well.  I'm home, and not in the hospital.  More relaxing. 

Good to know you may be popping back in from time to time,
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on November 22, 2016, 11:42:48 AM
I've spent so much time reading the posts about the many illnesses & accidents I need to get done what is a must for today. My gr-daughter is to deliver today (one way or another) so need to be ready to help if necessary, any way possible.  I was in here once before this election & was here back before the 2000 election. 

I keep making notes on "the computer upstairs & downstairs" and find when I go to post, I'm on the wrong computer.  This one has the research I was doing on Socialism because a gr-daughter that graduated from college last near, worked for Bernie when he showed up before the election.  None of my kids or grands had the history of types of government that I got from a grade school teacher, she was my home room teacher one year but taught history for  3-7 grades during & at the end of WWII.  She was Native American, never married and traveled every summer.  She made history exciting and I thought she was the smartest "worldly" person alive. 

Here is what I got from the computer about Socialism/Bernie Sanders plan for us. We were taught that there must be a period of Dictatorship before a country could attain "pure Socialism" because nobody was willing to work hard anymore, no ambition or reason for it.

What is the definition of socialism? socialism definition. An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity.

What is a socialist government?
Socialism means production to satisfy human needs, not as under capitalism, for sale and profit. Socialism means direct control and management of the industries and social services by the workers through a democratic government based on their nationwide economic organization.

What is the Marxist theory?
Marxists believe that the transition from capitalism to socialism is an inevitable part of the development of human society; as Lenin stated, "it is evident that Marx deduces the inevitability of the transformation of capitalist society [into a socialist society] wholly and exclusively from the economic law of motion ...

http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_socialism.html (http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_socialism.html)

History of Socialism   
Certain elements of socialist thought long predate the socialist ideology that emerged in the first half of the 19th Century. For example, Plato's "The Republic" and Sir Thomas More's "Utopia", dating from 1516, have been cited as including Socialist or Communist ideas.

Modern Socialism emerged in early 19th Century Britain and France, from a diverse array of doctrines and social experiments, largely as a reaction or protest against some of the excesses of 18th and 19th Century Capitalism. Early 19th Century Socialist thought was largely utopian in nature, followed by the more pragmatic and revolutionary Socialist and Communist movements in the later 19th Century.

Social critics in the late 18th Century and early 19th Century such as Robert Owen (1771 - 1858), Charles Fourier (1772 - 1837), Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1809 - 1865), Louis Blanc (1811 - 1882) and Henri de Saint-Simon (1760 - 1825) criticized the excesses of poverty and inequality of the Industrial Revolution, and advocated reforms such as the egalitarian distribution of wealth and the transformation of society into small utopian communities in which private property was to be abolished.  A lie is not a lie if it benefits the cause.

For all of you that have been through such horrific issues, I am happy you are here and doing better.  My heart goes out to each of you, we never know what is ahead but it helps to know we do have people in our corner, works for me.  Hugs & prayers for all in need.  Shirley/Tisie
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 22, 2016, 03:27:37 PM
Shirley, an excellent post.  One thing I would like to add, especially since we are fixing to celebrate a day of Thanksgiving first celebrated by the Pilgrims.  Our forefathers learned a valuable lesson that should be taught in our schools.


The Pilgrims’ Failed Experiment With Socialism Should Teach America A Lesson (//http://)

http://www.offthegridnews.com/religion/the-pilgrims-failed-experiment-with-socialism-should-teach-america-a-lesson/ (http://www.offthegridnews.com/religion/the-pilgrims-failed-experiment-with-socialism-should-teach-america-a-lesson/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on November 22, 2016, 08:36:33 PM
Thank you, Hal, I was almost afraid to come back in case I "didn't say things right".  I really don't like to insult anyone but having lived with socialized medicine 3 years during mid '50s (in England) and the next door neighbor explaining the problems of people using the doctors offices as a gathering place, it confirmed what that teacher said. The English couple next door (no base housing) were so kind to me, dumb kid only 21 with a baby & no family to get advice from.  No phone calls for 3 years, unlike today.  Anyway, people on both sides treated me like family and offered advice about where to buy things & what life was all about.  Taxes were so high the man next door would not work overtime on Sat because a full day of work only earned him 6 pence. They all dreaded needing any special medical procedure because it took so long to get to the top of the list.  No incentive to work harder because tax wiped it out.  I was afraid that Hillary had made a deal with Bernie to give him a top job in exchange for his support, and now I fear that in trying to pull everyone together that "the Donald" may do the same. 

I still believe the news media is stirring up trouble to have something to write about.  It is about time they bash the protesters .... for Pete's sake, every 4 years half the population is disappointed by the election but nobody has ever acted so stupid as this year.  Wonder if any of them ever thought about thanking the people that feed and support them........

First link didn't work for me, Hal, but the second was interesting.  My history teacher drilled that into us long ago.... One of my ancestors planned to settle in Nauvoo, Illinois commune but we have a letter (1850s) he wrote to family still in France to "don't bother going there, it was chaos and they were going to New Orleans."  From there they moved up river to MO. 

Too bad it wasn't "politically correct" to talk about socialism & communism when our kids & grands were growing up...   okay to talk about sex & things that made us older folks squirm.  It was okay to bash anyone with ambition but not okay to pat someone on the back for winning, everyone had to get a ribbon or medal, no losers in the world today, even if they are too lazy to try.

My eyes are giving me fits, been working on photos of the newest member of the family born today (that I am getting by phone or e-mail) and the ones we took at our Thanksgiving gathering last Sunday.  Nice to see so many familiar names in here.... and since we had EmmaBarb many years ago, I'm guessing this new Emma is not one & the same? 

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on November 25, 2016, 11:09:39 PM
Happy Thanksgiving. Hope everyone had a chance to enjoy a good meal and family visits. I see that Christmas trees are for sale already, so everything is back to normal.

However, the newspapers keep publishing interesting articles. There are many sides to any event that occurs in such a huge country as the USA. Here's one from the New York Times, by Paul Krugman.

"The Populism Perplex"

"Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by more than two million, and she would probably be president-elect if the director of the F.B.I. hadn't laid such a heavy thumb on the scales, just days before the election. But it shouldn't even have been close; what put Donald Trump in striking distance was overwhelming support from whites without college degrees. So what can Democrats do to win back at least some of those voters?

   "Recently Bernie Sanders offered an answer: Democrats should 'go beyond identity politics.' What's needed, he said, are candidates who understand that working-class incomes are down, who will 'stand up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry.'
 
   "But is there any reason to believe that this would work? Let me offer some reasons for doubt.
   
   "First, a general point: Any claim that changed policy positions will win elections assumes that the public will hear about those positions. How is that supposed to happen, when most of the news media simply refuse to cover policy substance? Remember, over the course of the 2016 campaign, the three network news shows devoted a total of 35 minutes combined to policy issues -- all policy issues.  Meanwhile, they devoted 135 minutes to Mrs. Clinton's emails.
   
   "Beyond this, the fact is that Democrats have already been pursuing policies that are much better for the white working class than anything the other party has to offer. Yet this has brought no political reward.
   
   "Consider eastern Kentucky, a very white area which has benefited enormously from Obama-era initiatives. Take, in particular, the case of Clay County, which the Times declared a few years ago to be the hardest place in America to live. It's still very hard, but at least most of its residents now have health insurance: Independent estimates say that the uninsured rate fell from 27 percent in 2013 to 10 percent in 2016. That's the effect of the Affordable Care Act, which Mrs. Clinton promised to preserve and extend but Mr. Trump promised to kill.
   
   "Mr. Trump received 87 percent of Clay County's vote.
   
   "Now, you might say that health insurance is one thing, but what people want are good jobs. Eastern Kentucky used to be coal country, and Mr. Trump, unlike Mrs. Clinton, promised to bring the coal jobs back. (So much for the idea that Democrats need a candidate who will stand up to the fossil fuels industry.) But it's a nonsensical promise.
   
   "Where did Appalachia's coal mining jobs go? They weren't lost to unfair competition from China or Mexico. What happened instead was, first, a decades-long erosion as U.S. coal production shifted from underground mining to strip mining and mountaintop removal, which require many fewer workers: Coal employment peaked in 1979, fell rapidly during the Reagan years, and was down more than half by 2007. A further plunge came in recent years thanks to fracking. None of this is reversible.
   
   "Is the case of former coal country exceptional? Not really. Unlike the decline in coal, some of the long-term decline in manufacturing employment can be attributed to rising trade deficits, but even there it's a fairly small fraction of the story. Nobody can credibly promise to bring the old jobs back; what you can promise -- and Mrs. Clinton did -- are things like guaranteed health care and higher minimum wages. But working-class whites overwhelmingly voted for the politicians who promise to destroy those gains.
   
   "So what happened her? Part of the answer may be that Mr. Trump had no problems with telling lies about what he could accomplish. If so, there may be a backlash when the coal and manu- facturing jobs don't come back, while health insurance disappears.
   
   "But maybe not. Maybe a Trump administration can keep its supporters on board, not by improving their lives, but by feeding their sense of resentment.
   
   "For let's be serious here: You can't explain the votes of places like Clay County as a response to disagreements about trade policy. The only way to make sense of what happened is to see the vote as an expression of, well, identity politics -- some combination of white resentment at what voters see as favoritism toward nonwhites (even though it isn't) and anger on the part of the less educated at liberal elites whom they imagine look down on them.
   
   "To be honest, I don't fully understand this resentment. In particular, I don't know why imagined liberal disdain inspires so much more anger than the very real disdain of conservatives who see the poverty of places like eastern Kentucky as a sign of the personal and moral inadequacy of their residents.
   
   "One thing is clear, however: Democrats have to figure out why the white working class just voted overwhelmingly against its own economic interests, not pretend that a bit more populism would solve the problem."


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 26, 2016, 11:15:30 AM
Fidel Castro is dead....

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article117201053.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article117201053.html)

The old Devil has a new playmate.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 26, 2016, 11:24:49 AM
Hmmmmm

The Mysterious Case Of Jill Stein's Surging Recount Costs

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/mysterious-case-jill-steins-surging-recount-costs (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/mysterious-case-jill-steins-surging-recount-costs)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 26, 2016, 02:19:10 PM
rutumi, Please don't post an entire article--just the link. In that way Senior and Friends won't get into trouble for breaking copywrite laws.

Interesting article tho.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on November 26, 2016, 10:01:43 PM
Thanks, Diglady. I didn't think there would be a problem as long as source is cited.
Also, I have been given links to the NYT that I have not been able to open since "my 10 free article"s were used up.

So, anyhow, I'll now place a link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/opinion/no-extra-pay-for-extra-work.html?_r=0

Interesting article ending with "For millions of Americans, there will be no extra pay for extra work anytime soon -- unless Mr. Trump makes it happen."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 05, 2016, 09:11:02 AM
Merry Christmas Everyone!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW85ZcswiqM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW85ZcswiqM)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 06, 2016, 10:39:51 AM
The Liberals are never, never wrong........yeah.....sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkMA6JPOHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkMA6JPOHU)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 06, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
We need a tad of music and laughter once in a while:

http://www.wimp.com/brassband/
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 12, 2016, 01:29:40 PM
Hal, Are you ok? Haven't heard from you  since 6 Dec.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 12, 2016, 09:26:12 PM
Dig, I am kinda down with a bad cold.  I did get out today and saw my Urologist and got some good news.  My PSA was zero but my ultrasound didn't produce any usable results, so he is scheduling me for a CT scan, I didn't look but I am sure it will be with contrast.


I hope your back is improving.  My old body kinda gave out on me this afternoon.  But I was able to get out and get my wife a carryout supper.  Now I am going to lay me down to sleep.  Wife is suffering from the same thing I got a very bad cold.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 12, 2016, 11:06:56 PM
Hal Glad to hear from you but sorry you have a cold. Take good care of yourself.

My back is better and I am starting to do some walking . PT still comes to the house and I have a bunch of exercises to do daily. I am NOT used to having things done for me. I hate it! People- neighbors- have been great.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on December 15, 2016, 05:28:49 PM
Dig and Hal, I'm sorry it has taken me so long to answer your posts, and I am alarmed that the two 'Rocks' holding this site down are both under the weather.

Hal, good luck on your tests and I hope all is well.

Dig, glad you have good neighbors, and that you are back 'up and at 'um'. Stay well and keep us up to date.

On politics.......I saw on CNN Michelle Obama pushing a man 'inside' a shopping cart through a big box store. What was that about???? I have no idea. The Obama's seem desperate to be on television.

Emma
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 15, 2016, 10:48:07 PM
Well folks the Democrats have finally lost it all.  Even got all the ding bat celebrates doing commercials wanting the constitution ignored.  And everytime Trump makes an appointment they go a little more bonkers. 

Obama has managed to politicize every part of government, including our intelligence agencies.  The Donald sure has his work cut out for him to clean (drain the swamp) all these lefties out of government.

No doubt about it folks, we elected the right person to get this country back to what we knew as the United States of America.
Of course, it is going to be so strange to see Obama leading all those demonstations down Penn ave.  And demanding that safe zones be created for the snowflakes.





 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: deedee on December 16, 2016, 10:28:20 AM
Quote from: halkel on December 15, 2016, 10:48:07 PM
Well folks the Democrats have finally lost it all.  Even got all the ding bat celebrates doing commercials wanting the constitution ignored.  And everytime Trump makes an appointment they go a little more bonkers. 

Obama has managed to politicize every part of government, including our intelligence agencies.  The Donald sure has his work cut out for him to clean (drain the swamp) all these lefties out of government.

No doubt about it folks, we elected the right person to get this country back to what we knew as the United States of America.
Of course, it is going to be so strange to see Obama leading all those demonstations down Penn ave.  And demanding that safe zones be created for the snowflakes.


Ain't this fun? Reading how Billary is bribing Obama and the press brings joy to my heart. I post responses to Trump on Twitter, I hope he reads them.

I can't wait until Do Nothing Obama is gone and we never hear (hopefully) another word from Billary.

The states telling Stein to shove her recount was a joy to behold.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 16, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
Deedee I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop from Obama.  He is not done with his little exercise in Socialism/Communism.  Isn't it strange to hear Barry criticize The Donald about being in cahoots with
the Putin, I do believe it was Barry who told Putin's serf to remind Validmir to be patient, until after the election, he, Barry would have more flexibility...   Yes sirree bob, Barry does have a sort memory.

Oh, and as a little tidbit of history I think some need to be reminded:

Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In The 1984 Elections

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/ (http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/)

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html (http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MeriJo on December 18, 2016, 07:38:57 PM
Merry Christmas everyone.  I have been away from politics because I have been celebrating three family birthdays and my older son was here on a visit from his home in Canada.  My computer is not working properly either.  I can post, and I can receive emails, but I cannot send.  I cannot do anything about the computer until after the holidays.  I am all right, but I had to let my aide go.  She was very good, but was in a bad car accident in October, and cannot always be here what with physical therapy and doctor appointments.  I'm 94 years old now. 

Thank heaven, Trump won.  The media and the Democratic party are beside themselves.  I've never seen such peculiar behavior by part of the electorate as a result of an election loss.

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 19, 2016, 03:06:27 PM
Hi MeriJo, So glad to see you posting. Sorry about the computer problems.

Merry Christmas   and Happy New Year
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on December 25, 2016, 10:33:03 AM
  :balloons: Merry Christmas  and  Happy Hanukkah!   :balloons:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on December 26, 2016, 04:30:40 PM
Sandy, thanks for the quote from Desmond Tutu.  It's a wonderful reminder of what is important to all of us.

Sue (SCF)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 28, 2016, 09:58:27 PM
I sure hope everyone had a great Christmas.

I wish all a

HAPPY NEW YEAR
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 30, 2016, 12:01:46 PM
Your government at work.  Maybe we should move the EPA to Alaska and they can stay warm with "global warming" and show others how it works.

EPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/30/epa-alaskans-sub-zero-temps-stop-burning-wood-keep-warm/?ref=yfp (http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/30/epa-alaskans-sub-zero-temps-stop-burning-wood-keep-warm/?ref=yfp)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 30, 2016, 12:07:05 PM
Obama the great American President (not)

Obama unleashes 3,853 regs, 18 for every law, record 97,110 pages of red tape

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-unleashes-3853-regs-18-for-every-law-record-97110-pages-of-red-tape/article/2610592 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-unleashes-3853-regs-18-for-every-law-record-97110-pages-of-red-tape/article/2610592)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 30, 2016, 12:13:12 PM
Hey, let's how about a 3.5 million Hawaii Christmas vacation.  At our expense.

Report: 8 years of Obama vacations cost $85 million

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article123335079.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article123335079.html)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on January 01, 2017, 12:20:27 AM
:hb2: Happy New  Year,  Everyone! :hb2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on January 01, 2017, 09:35:11 AM
Ditto, what Sandy said....... :thumbup:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 13, 2017, 04:00:23 PM
Home again after another 10 days in hospital. Home is good.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on January 13, 2017, 10:39:22 PM
Dig, I hope you didn't have something more happen to your back. Hospitals can be a pain themselves.  Stay well friend

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on January 14, 2017, 11:00:47 PM
Diglady, I am so happy you are at home again. I too had to spend eight days in our Care facility here at Rowntree. Leg infection needing intravenous antibiotics. There truly is "no place like home", and I thank God we are both in  our respective places.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 15, 2017, 10:57:50 PM
June so glad you are home too!!!!

I was affected by SEVERE dizziness. They lasted 2 + hours-Talk about horror! Anyhow am still have some of the dizzy spells but a not as bad. Well I see ENT Doc tomorrow. Hope he has a diagnosis for me.

I really think the campaign did it to me!!  ::)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on January 16, 2017, 12:59:39 PM
Diglady, that dizzyness does sound scary, and you have to be extra careful
as it can affect your balance..you don't need a fall with everything else we go through. I am praying you will be cured quickly. In the meantime here is a giggle to brighten your day.

A noted psychiatrist was a guest speaker at an academic function where Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the United States House of Representatives) happened to appear. Ms. Pelosi took the opportunity to schmooze the good doctor a bit and asked him a question with which he was most at ease.

'Would you mind telling me, Doctor,' she asked, 'how do you detect a mental deficiency in somebody who appears completely normal?'

'Nothing is easier,' he replied. 'You ask a simple question which anyone should answer with no trouble. If the person hesitates, that puts you on the track.'

'What sort of question?' asked Pelosi.

Well, you might ask, 'Captain Cook made three trips around the world and died during one of them. Which one?'

Pelosi thought a moment, and then said with a nervous laugh, 'You wouldn't happen to have another example would you? I must confess I don't know much about history.'

Sadly, they walk among us!
And, MORE sadly, hold high offices!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on January 16, 2017, 03:11:38 PM
I am not overly fond of Nancy Pelosi, but that is a bunch of B.S. if I've ever heard it.  Where do you get articles like that?

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on January 16, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
Sue it is a J O K E not an article.......sheeeesh

And I thought it was funny as could be......and sounds just like Pelosi.....Remember she is the one that said about Obamacare, you have to vote for it before you know what's in it.

"

   
Pelosi: Remember How Carefully We Considered Obamacare?

Democrats couldn't bother to read all of the Affordable Care Act legislation while it was being debated in Congress. Of course you can't really blame them, considering it was 2,000 pages long. Yet, they passed it anyway, without one Republican vote. Before the vote, House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi showed her hand by infamously noting they had to "pass it to see what's in it.""

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2017/01/16/pelosi-remember-how-carefully-we-considered-obamacare-n2272284 (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2017/01/16/pelosi-remember-how-carefully-we-considered-obamacare-n2272284)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on January 16, 2017, 10:03:23 PM
Hal:  Next time you post a joke, please tell us it is a joke.  Some of us Dems don't get it!  That's probably why Trump was elected.   Most of your posts sound as if you have the hot scoop.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on January 16, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
Sue, I didn't post the Pelosi joke.  I cant help it if you are Democrat and have no sense of humor.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on January 16, 2017, 10:37:42 PM
This is called "FAKE NEWS" because it is easily denied
by claiming it was only a joke...

But we all know that fake  news travels faster then any  "it was an obvious joke"  claims can catch up with it.   

This is going to be our life for the next four years so beware of any thing that comes out of the Trump Camp....   Lie Lie Lie,  deny deny deny,  then blame it on any one who assumes that they are telling the truth and pass it on ..

Dig,  I am sorry that you have been having some difficult problems,  and I wish you a speedy recovery.... 

I am out of here and don't plan on participating while this next administration uses magic tricks to communicate with all the good people here in the USA.. 

Bye Bye !
Sandy 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 17, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
June thanks for the giggle of the day. Amazing that some don't see it as a joke but as "news"

To me your "giggle of the day" was a heads -up joke to follow!

And BTW, I sure hope that ALL-EVERYONE- wishes success to the new President. If he doesn't succeed USA won't succeed
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on January 21, 2017, 11:29:51 AM
It always amazes me how some make an issue out of what they do and then want to deny others the same thing. 

I personally do not see any harm in passing remarks in the other forums on political matters or issues, so long as it is restricted to that.  No long political dissertations on issues or candidates.  And where do we draw the line?  Everyday life is not made up of mundane matters, nor non-controversial things.

Gloria, I think Trump has thrown down the gauntlet and of course the Dimm-0-craps have wasted no time in picking it up. (Schumer) show walking all Trumps nominees confirmation.  But one thing I do like, did you notice all the attention given to our Creator?  Many of the liberals will have to make appointments with their dentist to get the enamel replaced from clinching their teeth.

Donald Trump prays for his presidency: New president and his family ask for divine aid on his first full day in office

    President Trump and the First Lady attend prayer service at Washington National Cathedral
    Multifaith prayers include Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu invocations asking for aid for new president
    The president's daughter Ivanka walked in with her daughter 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4143164/Donald-Trump-prays-presidency-service-n-D-C.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4143164/Donald-Trump-prays-presidency-service-n-D-C.html)

I cant wait until Monday and the dimm-0-craps dread it.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on January 21, 2017, 01:48:10 PM
I've got the worst flu ever, don't bother taking temps, I know when I'm hotHOT... and the coughing chokes till gagging (you know what I mean?)  But while I'm laying on the bed dying, my brain still works and it drives me nuts that none of the news media bothers to pick up on the fact that while everyone bashes Trump for being civil to Putin, nobody mentions the fact that not a single reporter suggests that it's possible the hacking done came through that pipeline Hillary created with her own....now deleted, e-mails.  Common sense. 

All these women & young girls are doing the same that kids did when partying on the beaches, running amok and hoping to get their face on TV/news.  Really, is this national pride?  How insulting, how would the Dems have come back with (racists) if the same had been done to Obama?  Half of us disapproved of him & his lack of training for the job.  Did he ever have a job to earn money in his own right?  Seriously, at least Trump has some experience in running a business and making his own money. 

Back to my bed.  I had to come defend Hal, when someone makes an innuendo it deserves a come back, even if we have to come in here to do it.  I don't appreciate being slapped on the mouth if everyone doesn't get the same.  I assume that monster parade is women/girls that don't have anything better to do, am I wrong?  I find myself debating whether to post this.. "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"  Time out to go die~~~ 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on January 21, 2017, 02:42:01 PM
Tisie, I didn't have the fever with mine, but I know how miserable you feel.  Wished there was something I could do to make you feel better.  I know one thing it is going to run its course, like it or not.  I know my wife's and mine did. 

Trump is working today.  The guy isn't lazy.  I have a feeling folks in the White House better get to used to six day weeks and long hours.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on January 21, 2017, 03:03:31 PM
to be truthful, I was disturbed by the Church service today, with all the different languages that I could not understand. I live in America, and I speak the English language as every American should be able to do. That is my gripe for the day.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on January 21, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
June, I didn't watch it, I honestly didn't realize they were having a service until I checked Drudge Report.  But our government officials have participated in more Christian services in the past two days than the last eight years. IMO.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carol on January 21, 2017, 04:57:51 PM
Just checking in with everyone.  This is going to be an interesting part of our history.  Sorry that reducing our massive debt load wasn't mentioned but other changes would be of some help. We were hoping for a business leader to step in at one of these elections - because the politicians certainly know little or nothing about keeping our country solvent.  Kudos to our military and police force for keeping the parade safe - - thinking of the police wounded by brick throwers.   :(

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on January 22, 2017, 10:52:31 AM
Carol, you are so right about our hard working police & military, no riots or raiding stores (either day) that I heard of.  I'm sure they and their families need some rest, they deserve it.

I check the Monarch Pass and St.Elmo view cams every day and can't remember a year with as much snow.  The roof on one house in St.Elmo makes me want to go rake the snow off, looks like it will cave in!  This is day 4-5 of my flu, managed to get part of an egg down, the pits!  I'm not taking me out to expose anyone else, even my worst enemy (only I don't have any enemies). 

Hal, I've had every symptom possible with this, maybe a combo of half a dozen virus strains..... thanks for the sympathy, much appreciated.  ;)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on January 22, 2017, 11:59:53 AM
Tisie, do keep yourself hydrated, drinks lots of water.  It will help.

Or better yet, lots of gatoraid.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on January 22, 2017, 12:06:39 PM
Tisie, Hal is correct, you must stay hydrated. Think of the liquid going through your system and washing out the germs, just as a shower cleans our exterior. And here at Rowntree they pushed Gatorade to the nth. degree. It replaces the elctrolytes you are losing with the flu symptoms. I am praying you will soon be on the mend.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on January 22, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
Thanks, Hal & June.  I think I'll live but not sure I am ready to.  My daughter recommended a squeeze of lemon in water & thought it helped her but I have such a problem with acids making sores/blisters on my tongue.  I was going to shower & wash my hair & get out to drive through KFC but already it doesn't sound good & hate to go into the store to drag my germs around, will have a look at Gatorade, it may have changed some in the last 30  years. I do have a bottle of water in every room to sip on.  Maybe I can go to sleep & feel better again.  I didn't feel this rotten after heart surgery.  Guess this isn't the place to whine, huh?  I was surprised I was moved to that other spot.... started by or for me~~
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on January 22, 2017, 09:23:36 PM
An American Liberal in action:


VIDEO: Passengers cheer as woman berating Trump supporter is kicked off plane
January 22, 2017
By Kyle Olson

Actually there is two video's watch both.




http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-passengers-cheer-woman-berating-trump-supporter-kicked-off-plane/ (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-passengers-cheer-woman-berating-trump-supporter-kicked-off-plane/)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on January 23, 2017, 07:57:20 PM
I am afraid I need to go back to the Dr tomorrow, my back hurts & I don't have a problem with pain, just want to know why & what it means.  So far today I got down half a canned peach, maybe an ounce of chicken noodle soup, not much for someone that loves to eat.  Tomorrow is the last pill.

Came to ring bells that Mike Pompeo was approved, I could not imagine anyone not being pleased with his appointment.  Not many politicians graduated top of the class at the military academy (majored in Mechanical Engineering), served active duty & then graduated from Harvard.  If you Google his wife, Susan, it shows the commercials she make when he ran for office, so cute when Mike come back with "I approve this message and crazy about the messenger".... He would be my pick for President when Trump goes out of office.

Back to bed.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on February 05, 2017, 02:15:33 PM
Still out here whining about this flu bug, cough & sore insides from coughing so long & hard. 

Hal, I am so sick of the news media preaching how people disapprove of Trump.... what's the best way to show when one does approve???  I know a lot of people that approve of what he has done so far and am one that is convinced our enemies that would like to tear down the US economy and spirit..... but are not sure how to handle Trump.  Works for me, let them wonder just what he might do to protect us. 

Anyone that thinks we can BUY respect doesn't have much common sense.  We used to have laws that other countries respected, not anymore. I dare anyone that objects to the restrictions put on the nations being banned, to push their way into any of those countries while preaching a different religion or culture.  Do you really think they will feed, clothe & educate you and let you roam their country at will?  REALLY? 

So, I feel just enough better to stand & salute the stars & stripes and all the laws designed to protect what our vets have been willing to fight and die for.  God Bless America!  You don't have to belong to any Party to believe in the US and defend our right to protect the laws this country was founded on.  When we become an American we are part of each other, American first.  AMERICAN FIRST!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 05, 2017, 04:36:13 PM
Shirley, many, actually most, of those making accusations had no problem with Obama making or changing law.  A bunch of hipocrits.  And thee activist judges grrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on February 05, 2017, 06:50:03 PM
Thanks, Hal..... I feel crappy enough to have that chip on my shoulder & feel like the news media needs to all be banished- lose their jobs & be pointed out as being opinionated/biased.  That is not what "news media" is all about, at least in the days before they took so many pay offs.  I can start taking note of commercials during any newscasters that irritate me, & let their stations know I won't be watching them anymore, maybe enough can make a difference.  Guess I could spend (instead of earn interest on savings), so I don't have to pay taxes to let "them" give my money to people that didn't earn it. I think I am feverish.   :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on February 05, 2017, 10:05:02 PM
I would like to suggest those who do not have a copy of the United States Constitution purchase one and read it, cover to cover.  I think you'd be surprised at what is un-Constitutional.

SCF Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 06, 2017, 01:45:41 AM
I do have a copy and have read it.  Please point out to me where it talks about welfare and schools.  Just two examples.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 06, 2017, 01:00:15 PM
Re Immigration ban:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1952


Note the authors were Demos and Jimmy Carter who used it Demo--Now they riot Liberals are indeed sick!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on February 09, 2017, 08:08:11 PM
Why did the courts not allow Trumps Immigration Ban program ? Can some one tell me in a few understandable words why they are against it ?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 10, 2017, 03:46:44 PM
They are Liberal and don't like Trump. And IMO they hate America. Or at the very least could care less about our country.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on February 11, 2017, 06:45:01 PM
Oh my, still at it.  Hope you Texans and border states yell when they have
to raise taxes to pay for Trump's wall when the Mexicans won't.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on February 11, 2017, 08:45:58 PM
Hi, new here, and would like to join in, but reading back over the last weeks, I feel dismayed by the manner in which you folks have often addressed each other. Would you speak to someone's face that way if you found yourselves sitting together at a table enjoying a cup of coffee? I can't imagine it!

I haven't seen much evidence of anyone of any political mindset in this discussion reaching out and trying to understand those with differing political stands. Not saying it would actually prove possible to understand, but a gracious effort would be refreshing. It doesn't surprise me that this group is faltering and losing members with divergent views and valuable thoughts. I am not so sure I will be welcome here either.

As for June's question, the courts shut down the ban because after careful review, they deemed it unconstitutional. Who can say if any individual one of them personally likes or dislikes the spirit of it? They followed the law. Period.

Hal, you have a way to go to convince me that any one of those judges hates America. And, whether they lean liberal or conservative, or how they feel about any particular political figure doesn't matter so long as they honor the law and the Constitution.

Ray, it is nice to see you here. I remember you well from the old Senior Net. Eons ago.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 11, 2017, 10:33:32 PM
periwinkle, you don't remember that the Ninth is the most overturned court in the U.S.   It is populated with Liberal judges, who could care less about our country only liberal ideas.

The law was not addressed in either court.  Only what Trump was thinking, according to the judges.

Is Trump's 'immigration ban' illegal? Ask the last FIVE presidents

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/is-trumps-immigration-ban-illegal-ask-the-last-five-presidents (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/is-trumps-immigration-ban-illegal-ask-the-last-five-presidents)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on February 11, 2017, 11:02:26 PM
Hal, thank you.It is difficult not to find these judges discriminating against the President, when other Presidents have been able to use their vote against certain immigrants, and were not judged as Trump is. Isn't our Congress able to override the Supreme Court ?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on February 12, 2017, 09:59:34 AM
Trump--business as usual from the White House.  Condemning a business for refusing to carry his wife's line of garments.

and providing taxpayer money for security for his son's business trip to a South American country promoting one of his business projects.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 12, 2017, 10:00:40 AM
JUne Congress can rewrite a law, but that is the only way I know of.  But it still won't stop a judge from making law.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on February 12, 2017, 02:07:38 PM
Lawyers--They help make  the laws, prosecute the laws, defend those breaking the laws. judge the laws and also help people break the laws

Lawyers make up a large portion of Congress and the state legislative bodies.

Polls, for what they are worth.  Trump in a few weeks has a favorable rating of 43%, the lowest of any president, including Tricky Dickey.

See what he does with his first challenge--N. Korea and its missile.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on February 12, 2017, 02:13:16 PM
No, OUR congress cannot override OUR supreme court. The government of the United States operates under a system of checks and balances, the separation of powers: the Judicial, Legislative and Executive branches.

http://www.pbs.org/tpt/constitution-usa-peter-sagal/we-the-people/separation-of-powers/

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 12, 2017, 03:54:45 PM
Periwinkle, they not only can re-write laws to reflect what the courts have ruled.  They have.  Not override, to work around a ruling.  Of course the supreme court has changed the meaning of what a law actually says, like in Obama care.  Where the law said you had to buy insurance or pay a fine, clearly unconstitutional, so they just said the "fine" was a "tax" no change in wording though.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on February 12, 2017, 08:20:23 PM
Hal, that was my understanding. That congress can change or re-wirte a sentence that would allow them to change the S.C. ruling. The way Politics is being abused, we almost need two or three supreme courts.
Two that can de-ride one another and a third to tell them to behave, or else.

And then of course there is God. He would be the "or else".
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 12, 2017, 10:29:29 PM
June, before the Liberals started getting their way God played a big part in our government and laws.  Hopefully Trump will bring God back into play.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on February 15, 2017, 08:52:00 PM
God seems to work in strange ways.  Oh, the turmoil in Washington is
Obama's fault.  Look what God has wrought  in his home town.

It will be a sad day when the Bible replaces our Constitution and some
people are more equal than others.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on February 16, 2017, 02:07:11 PM
Hal,

Which version of God do you believe should be brought into the government? So many religions to choose from! And exactly what part is it you would have Him play?

When you say He once figured in a much larger way in our laws are you referencing the Blue Laws? Some of them are still in force.

Yes, I am old enough to remember when my Mom couldn't take my little sister and me to the movies on a Sunday afternoon to see Snow White due to a Blue Law. Movie theaters had to stay closed on Sundays.

Is that what you want to have back?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 16, 2017, 03:27:10 PM
Lets start at the beginning, shall we.

......excerpted......

At Federal Hall, Vice President John Adams, the Senate, and the House of Representatives awaited the President’s arrival in the Senate Chamber. After being received by Congress, Washington stepped from the chamber onto the balcony, where he was followed by the Senators and Representatives. Before the assembled crowd of spectators, Robert Livingston, Chancellor of the State of New York, administered the oath of office prescribed by the Constitution: “I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.” After repeating this oath, Washington kissed the Bible held for him by the Chancellor, who called out, “Long live George Washington, President of the United States,” and a salvo of 13 cannons was discharged. Except for taking the oath, the law required no further inaugural ceremonies. But, upon reentering the Senate Chamber, the President read the address that is featured here. After this address, he and the members of Congress proceeded to St. Paul’s Church for divine service. A brilliant fireworks display in the evening ended the official program for this historic day.

Washington's address:

Fellow-Citizens of the Senate and of the House of Representatives:

Among the vicissitudes incident to life no event could have filled me with greater anxieties than that of which the notification was transmitted by your order, and received on the 14th day of the present month. On the one hand, I was summoned by my Country, whose voice I can never hear but with veneration and love, from a retreat which I had chosen with the fondest predilection, and, in my flattering hopes, with an immutable decision, as the asylum of my declining years--a retreat which was rendered every day more necessary as well as more dear to me by the addition of habit to inclination, and of frequent interruptions in my health to the gradual waste committed on it by time. On the other hand, the magnitude and difficulty of the trust to which the voice of my country called me, being sufficient to awaken in the wisest and most experienced of her citizens a distrustful scrutiny into his qualifications, could not but overwhelm with despondence one who (inheriting inferior endowments from nature and unpracticed in the duties of civil administration) ought to be peculiarly conscious of his own deficiencies. In this conflict of emotions all I dare aver is that it has been my faithful study to collect my duty from a just appreciation of every circumstance by which it might be affected. All I dare hope is that if, in executing this task, I have been too much swayed by a grateful remembrance of former instances, or by an affectionate sensibility to this transcendent proof of the confidence of my fellow-citizens, and have thence too little consulted my incapacity as well as disinclination for the weighty and untried cares before me, my error will be palliated by the motives which mislead me, and its consequences be judged by my country with some share of the partiality in which they originated.

Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station, it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes, and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good, I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own, nor those of my fellow- citizens at large less than either. No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the Invisible Hand which conducts the affairs of men more than those of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency; and in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their united government the tranquil deliberations and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities from which the event has resulted can not be compared with the means by which most governments have been established without some return of pious gratitude, along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be suppressed. You will join with me, I trust, in thinking that there are none under the influence of which the proceedings of a new and free government can more auspiciously commence.

By the article establishing the executive department it is made the duty of the President "to recommend to your consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient." The circumstances under which I now meet you will acquit me from entering into that subject further than to refer to the great constitutional charter under which you are assembled, and which, in defining your powers, designates the objects to which your attention is to be given. It will be more consistent with those circumstances, and far more congenial with the feelings which actuate me, to substitute, in place of a recommendation of particular measures, the tribute that is due to the talents, the rectitude, and the patriotism which adorn the characters selected to devise and adopt them. In these honorable qualifications I behold the surest pledges that as on one side no local prejudices or attachments, no separate views nor party animosities, will misdirect the comprehensive and equal eye which ought to watch over this great assemblage of communities and interests, so, on another, that the foundation of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality, and the preeminence of free government be exemplified by all the attributes which can win the affections of its citizens and command the respect of the world. I dwell on this prospect with every satisfaction which an ardent love for my country can inspire, since there is no truth more thoroughly established than that there exists in the economy and course of nature an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness; between duty and advantage; between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity; since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained; and since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered, perhaps, as deeply, as finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.

Besides the ordinary objects submitted to your care, it will remain with your judgment to decide how far an exercise of the occasional power delegated by the fifth article of the Constitution is rendered expedient at the present juncture by the nature of objections which have been urged against the system, or by the degree of inquietude which has given birth to them. Instead of undertaking particular recommendations on this subject, in which I could be guided by no lights derived from official opportunities, I shall again give way to my entire confidence in your discernment and pursuit of the public good; for I assure myself that whilst you carefully avoid every alteration which might endanger the benefits of an united and effective government, or which ought to await the future lessons of experience, a reverence for the characteristic rights of freemen and a regard for the public harmony will sufficiently influence your deliberations on the question how far the former can be impregnably fortified or the latter be safely and advantageously promoted.

To the foregoing observations I have one to add, which will be most properly addressed to the House of Representatives. It concerns myself, and will therefore be as brief as possible. When I was first honored with a call into the service of my country, then on the eve of an arduous struggle for its liberties, the light in which I contemplated my duty required that I should renounce every pecuniary compensation. From this resolution I have in no instance departed; and being still under the impressions which produced it, I must decline as inapplicable to myself any share in the personal emoluments which may be indispensably included in a permanent provision for the executive department, and must accordingly pray that the pecuniary estimates for the station in which I am placed may during my continuance in it be limited to such actual expenditures as the public good may be thought to require.

Having thus imparted to you my sentiments as they have been awakened by the occasion which brings us together, I shall take my present leave; but not without resorting once more to the benign Parent of the Human Race in humble supplication that, since He has been pleased to favor the American people with opportunities for deliberating in perfect tranquillity, and dispositions for deciding with unparalleled unanimity on a form of government for the security of their union and the advancement of their happiness, so His divine blessing may be equally conspicuous in the enlarged views, the temperate consultations, and the wise measures on which the success of this Government must depend.

Transcription courtesy of the Avalon Project at Yale Law

School.

https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?doc=11&page=transcript (https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?doc=11&page=transcript)

I will take the God of which George Washington and his government speaks.

Oh, at the blue laws of which you speak, that was man's law.  Right, wrong or indifferent Blue Laws existed existed in other countries.   Religion doesn't corrupt, man corrupts religion.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 16, 2017, 03:29:49 PM
periwinkle, I wish some of the blue laws were back. I think workers need time with families. I  don't like stores being open on Sunday. Nor do I like stores being open 24/7.

I think the present WDC activities are almost a good replacement for the now gone Barnum and Baily circus!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on February 16, 2017, 04:27:15 PM
diglady,

You make a great point that workers should have more time with their families, and that we don't need access to most stores 24 hours a day, 7 days a week!

Morality-based legislation may not be the best answer however. I really don't believe it is. Given the losses in manufacturing in the country, maybe there is no answer, at least not for the present.   

So many people are in need jobs and there just aren't enough full time, good paying jobs for everyone. Maybe those around-the-clock stores provide a little cover for them? I wish there were more answers.

I look back on my young-adult years and remember that jobs were plentiful and everyone had work if they wanted it. The pay wasn't always so good, but then rents and prices were much lower.

With all that is happening on the political scene I expect it soon to be a-buzz with discussion and debate in here.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on February 16, 2017, 05:11:03 PM
I have yet to see where any god in the past has been anything but a
myth.  Every society has their own myth explaining the unexplainable.
It is very likely that Hal's lengthy story about Washington and the
Bible is MYTH and story.  There is also story that Washington did not
attend church.

One president went so far as to say that this is not a Christian nation.
It isn't and should never be one.  We should have a secular
republic not a democracy where one group can control others
and deprive them of their equality and freedom of thought and
religion.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on February 16, 2017, 05:34:28 PM
Hal, was there some intended explanation for me in all of that?

I don't get it.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on February 16, 2017, 06:22:31 PM
I don't get it either.  Jerry Falwell was a master at prophecy--all false.
Prophecy is the language of idiots and fools.

By the way, what church did Trump attend or hold membership?

Trump's latest blame game--I inherited a mess.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 16, 2017, 06:28:00 PM
Sorry you didn't get it.  Fran obviously didn't either and he is an educator. My point, God and his teachings have been a part of our government from the beginning.  You and Fran may not like that fact, but it still exist.

My father was a retail store manage for 33 years and he thought retail people worked to many holidays.   His store never opened on Sundays.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on February 16, 2017, 07:22:22 PM
The following is copied directly from the Constitution of the United States.

Amendment 1:  Freedom of religion, speech, and press, rights of assembly and petition.
     Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. 

Amendment IX:  Rights retained by the people.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment XIV.  Section 1.  All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.  No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

SCFSue--I just thought I'd through a little light on the subject!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 16, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
Sue, did you know that the Ten Commandments are displayed in our Supreme Court?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on February 16, 2017, 07:56:00 PM
And a nice bright light it is!

I am becoming increasingly impatient with all the nonsense about more religion being needed in government, when really worrisome things - much more deserving of our attention - are taking place right before our unbelieving eyes.

I just read that the rule preventing coal run-off being poured into our streams and rivers has been canceled.

Can someone please explain to me how that benefits the public?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 16, 2017, 08:15:42 PM
My, my. You are becoming impatient...... :2funny:

I'm sure that Trump just wants to poison the citizens.  why that's almost as bad as sucking the brains out of an unborn child... :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 16, 2017, 08:22:19 PM
How many watched Trumps press conference today.  It was a hoot.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on February 16, 2017, 08:32:13 PM
Hal, I'm going to look for it right now. Thank you.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on February 16, 2017, 08:50:58 PM
Hal, the ten commandments do not belong in or near government
property and buildings.  A Georgia Supreme Court judge lost
his job for his refusal to take down his 10 commandments
monument.  What does that tell you?

I refuse to say the pledge the way is now written.  This nation is not
under any god, until some  Christian legislator listened to some
fanatical preacher.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 16, 2017, 09:23:53 PM
Ray check it out

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=900005424448/The-Ten-[
Commandments-at-the-Supreme-Court?slreturn=20170116211817
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on February 17, 2017, 01:54:44 PM
In order as presented:

(1) What is funny about impatience?

And what does one call those ugly little animations you keep using when rational words and thought fail you?

As predicted, I don't feel particularly welcomed by the parties I found here several days ago - shown contempt by one, ignored by the other. A not entirely surprising disappointment.

(2) Are you making a joke or stating a fact when you say you are sure Trump "just wants to poison the citizens"? Because that is ultimately what might happen.

But, to answer your answer to my answer: I don't care what he WANTS but I sure do care what he DOES. And poisoning the nation's waterways is something no authority should allow.

But what does legalization of river water pollution have to do with abortion? How do the two issues connect?

(3) Which version of the Ten Commandments should we adopt into our government?

(4) That was your idea of a HOOT?

Laurel and Hardy were a hoot. Burns and Allen were a hoot. Abbott and Costello and the Smothers Brothers were a hoot.

There are many, many nouns and adjectives that could be applied to that performance but there wasn't anything remotely amusing about it.

Still, I understand it was well received in Trump Country.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 17, 2017, 05:58:40 PM
periwinkle, obviously any answer I give will be taken or assumed to be obnoxious, mean spirited or rude.  So I will now cease to do these dire things to you. 

You may form your own opinions and ignore the facts, such as what version of the 10 commandments would I use, without any citation that there are two versions.

So have a great day.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on February 17, 2017, 06:54:38 PM
It's not at all obvious that I would take anything you say as obnoxious, mean-spirited or rude. Furthermore, I never assume anything. I want to see the facts in front of me.

You didn't do anything dire to me, so don't give it another thought.

Google "versions of the Ten Commandments".
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 18, 2017, 10:35:26 AM
periwinkle,
Don't assume you are being ignored by any on here. People respond willy-nilly and always have. 

Just keep posting! Please. We may have different views but yours are important as they keep us all learning!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on February 18, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
My "two cents worth". The Ten Commandments were Biblical and that is the only version I accept. At my ancient age, I still prefer the Thee's and Thou's that I read. Like the words in an old song, there is beauty in them.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on February 18, 2017, 09:54:36 PM
There are two versions of the Ten Commandments in the Bible. 

I don't care much for the archaic English. Too scant for my taste. Makes it hard to understand.

By the way, did you know that the old King James era English is closer to modern German than it is to modern English?


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 19, 2017, 12:14:38 PM
I am not a conspiracy nut but a friend who I trust completely sent me this and then I saw the source: Fox News and Lou Dobbs, both I consider very reliable.  This is scary but considering who is behind this, Obama and no doubt in my mind George Soros, I would give this report a lot of credence.

Please note my friends note preceding the link.

This is from a friend who was in security and intelligence. Worth viewing and taking heed.

https://youtu.be/uEPM22xqvl0 (https://youtu.be/uEPM22xqvl0)



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on February 19, 2017, 01:41:20 PM
Blame someone else for Trumps failings and the chaos in Washington.
Trump is doing a good job of bringing down his administration.  His
appointment are all designed to please the religious right and stir up
protests from those about to lose their freedoms.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 19, 2017, 02:06:47 PM
What freedoms are being lost Fran? 
you must have been beside yourself yesterday when his rally started with the Lord's Prayer.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 20, 2017, 12:42:00 PM
Hal, Are you are you and yours ok?

http://my.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20170220/45e21f60-3958-4cf8-ab93-7e56e7a68f54
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 20, 2017, 01:05:42 PM
Yeah Dig, we suffered no damage here at my house.  Damage was some ways us.  But it appears it did a number on many homes.  I do swear that I did hear it pass over this area.  But thought it was my imagination.  Thankfully no deaths have been reported, I am aware of.

Thanks for your concern.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 20, 2017, 01:45:52 PM
Glad to hear you and yours are OK. Tornado sounds like a freight train!

MeriJo has a new computer and is back in business so she should be joining us here on this political forum.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on February 20, 2017, 05:52:39 PM
That's great.  She will be welcome.  By the way, they now say we had three tornados. One near Alamo basin, one near Converse and one near Northern hills golf course.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on February 20, 2017, 07:18:20 PM
I'm glad you are safe Hal, I have never experienced a tornado, and hope I never will. We had cyclones back in Mn. I must look up and see what the difference is.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on February 20, 2017, 07:29:15 PM
I erred. We did have tornadoes in Mn. I checked it out, so please excuse my ignorance.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on February 25, 2017, 04:14:27 PM
Hal, we have lost the freedom of religion and we will find
taxpayer money paying for religious schools--Christian
centered of course.

Wait and see how many foreign students no longer spend their
money in our schools, particularly after the shooting of Indian
students in a hate crime.  Trumps hateful anti speeches
against other cultures and religions begin to take hold.

Looks like imports and exports to Mexico, particularly Texas
will start to affect economies.

No matter the facts, lies become truths in our country.  Blame
it on the media.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 27, 2017, 11:49:44 AM
Ray please explain your comment "we have lost the freedom of religion"
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carol on March 01, 2017, 12:25:44 PM
Shirley - way back a month ago, I posted a little note here and you answered.  I do hope all went well with you regarding the ugly flu you experienced this year.

My political comment today is:  last night's speech was better than expected. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 02, 2017, 05:19:56 PM
It seems like only yesterday that Lonex (RIP) and myself told you what a sorry no good Obama was and that he was nothing but a rabble rouser.  Well......a slime ball.  Get ready to rumble.

The Sedition Begins! Valerie Jarrett Moves In With the Obamas in D.C.

Former president Obama is actively engaged in sedition against President Trump. Like a tinpot dictator, he is trying to unseat him. He has set up a command base in his mansion in the ritzy DC neighborhood of Kalorama and had Valerie Jarrett move in. There will be plenty of money for his movement as he and his wife just got about a $30 million dollar book deal â€" for two books â€" without a book being sold.

Obama wants Trump to be ousted through a forced resignation or impeachment, according to a close family friend speaking to Daily Mail.

Obama cannot use his West End office, a post-presidency perk, for political purposes.

“He’s coming. And he’s ready to roll,” former Attorney General Eric Holder said yesterday about the former president’s reentry into the political scene.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/begins-sedition-valerie-jarrett-moves-obamas-d-c/ (http://www.independentsentinel.com/begins-sedition-valerie-jarrett-moves-obamas-d-c/)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4271412/Obama-confidante-Valerie-Jarrett-moves-Kaloroma-home.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4271412/Obama-confidante-Valerie-Jarrett-moves-Kaloroma-home.html)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 05, 2017, 07:55:34 PM
I sure wish I knew what was happening to our country. So much slop that goes back and forth..who is lying, who is cheating, who is in charge.....a person doesn't know who to believe anymore.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 08, 2017, 02:21:46 PM
Well, things are not looking good in the Far East.  Japan is now making noises about war.

As North Korea missile threat grows, Japan lawmakers argue for first strike options

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-missile-threat-grows-japan-lawmakers-argue-091140657--finance.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-missile-threat-grows-japan-lawmakers-argue-091140657--finance.html)

North Korea is a prime example of how politicians and diplomats can let things fester for literally years until something has got to give.  I think back to not only Democrats but Republicans have screwed things up.  We have let a two-bit idiot dictator get away with literally murder and criminal acts.  Remember when the wanna-be carpenter Carter inserted himself into the mix some years back and Clinton just let him.

I make a prediction.  If the little dictator gets one of his missiles developed to where he can hit the West Coast, he will hit us with one of his Atomic weapons.  Iran and North Korea are in cahoots, and will do everything possible to do us harm.

And to top it all off, Obama's secret army is doing everything possible to bring Trump down.  God help us.





Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 08, 2017, 09:46:35 PM
Where is your god when it comes to help?  Is he in charge as
was mentioned some time ago?

Evil men are at work in our republic.  A Democracy cannot long exist, especially when it is a Christian theocracy.  I no longer
feel equal and free.  I feel persecuted and left out.
All the demonstrations show how unpopular Trump's hate-filled
administration has become in just a short time.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 08, 2017, 10:41:53 PM
Yeah, right Fran.  I can see how much you are persecuted by the believers.
And with George Soros and Obama's groups demonstrating at the drop of a dollar.  Get real.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 08, 2017, 11:15:56 PM
Ray, Trust.....trust in what you truly believe it. God hears all prayers. When we don't get the answer we pray for, we don't give up. There are so many answers..."not now", "wait", and sometimes it is "No".
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 09, 2017, 08:50:05 AM
I'll dance, but not to your music.  That is the problem that most
of you do not see.  You keep insisting that we all dance to your
music--an old tune some 2,000 years old.

There are many new tunes from science--wake up.  There is'
a horrible new political tune now being played that all
Republicans refuse to dance to.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 10, 2017, 09:23:09 PM
For all Democrats:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4351026/clinton-1995-immigration-sotu
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 16, 2017, 11:11:45 AM
Ike said "Beware of the industrial-military complex."  How right he
was.  See it happening in DC now with cuts to other areas.
Where is Trumpcare to replace Obamacare?  It leaves many
people at the mercy of the insurance industry and their premiums
most cannot afford.

Thank you GW Bush for opening Pandora's box in the Mideast
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on March 16, 2017, 11:55:58 AM
My son, who is self employed, will have to pay 10,000 in insurance this year under Trumpcare, even if he never has  to use it. This is the pits!
SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 16, 2017, 12:12:32 PM
Sue, I wasn't aware any insurance but Obamacare was available.  When did the Republicans pass health care insurance?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 16, 2017, 08:02:40 PM
Trumpcare is simply canceling out Obamacare and forcing people to
find their own insurance from the insurance industry at high premiums.

Evidently he never had a plan to replace Obamacare to begin with.

Did he even have a plan for the office to which he was elected?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 17, 2017, 09:31:01 PM
Ray, How can you make any statement re: Trump's healthcare at this time. NO Bill has been passed. Right now it seems to be in the talking phase. Republicans should do as the democrats did. Vote then you can read the bill!!   :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 19, 2017, 12:41:37 PM
How close are we to war with North Korea.  Things are heating up to white hot in the region.  I am wondering if China is willing to let the little idiot dictator start a nuclear war?  And if he does, will Iran jump in on North Koreas side and blast Israel.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 19, 2017, 07:39:53 PM
Hal, I do hope we do not enter any war. What does it ever solve ?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 19, 2017, 08:02:42 PM
I know nothing about health care ...obamacare or otherwise. I have my own private insurance policy with a noted company, so should I be disturbed about all the hoorah in health insurance ?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 20, 2017, 02:16:49 PM
June, I would keep an eye on your "private" company!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 20, 2017, 07:28:04 PM
Diglady, I have United Health Care. Should I be concerned ???
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 21, 2017, 05:02:21 PM
Many of the biggies pulled out of the Arizona market and left people stranded.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 23, 2017, 11:17:29 AM
June, war never solves anything--RIGHT.  Why were we in Vietnam?
Why Pres. Bush's war in Iraq stirring up the entire Middle East?

Had enough of Dictator Trump's government?  No transparency in the
budget as his cabinet is to keep MUM on this item of his presidency.

What about his business involvement with Russia and Turkey which is
under the control of his sons?  I thought he was to divest himself
of control of his business involvement.

When you have had enough of God's choice for president and the
move to a Christian theocracy from a secular republic, let me know.
Public education is at risk, in order to dumb down the children
instead of giving them a secular, scientific education.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 23, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
RAY, 
Why were we in Vietnam? I have no idea. I had nothing to do with it.

Why Pres. Bush's war in Iraq stirring up the entire Middle East? Again, I have no idea. Do you?

Had enough of Dictator Trump's government?  No. Pres.  Trump has only just begun.

What about his business involvement with Russia and Turkey which is
under the control of his sons? His sons are not the President, any more that my sons are house wives.  

Christian theocracy. God is not a deity. He is God, Deity, if you prefer. Creator as I prefer. This is not "our" world, it is a creation of God that we have the privilege to abide in.

Chew on my reply Ray, I will be interested in what you think of my answers. I am content with me, are you content with you ? :thumbup:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 23, 2017, 10:33:31 PM
Well the slimy Obama administration has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
I know we want see any of them punished nor more than likely will some of you, who read or watch only the main stream media, likely see this any where else.  Also, please note the reporting who wrote the article, the reporter who Obama and his gang wiretapped.

Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says
By James Rosen


Republican congressional investigators expect a potential “smoking gun” establishing that the Obama administration spied on the Trump transition team, and possibly the president-elect himself, will be produced to the House Intelligence Committee this week, a source told Fox News.

Classified intelligence showing incidental collection of Trump team communications, purportedly seen by committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., and described by him in vague terms at a bombshell Wednesday afternoon news conference, came from multiple sources, Capitol Hill sources told Fox News. The intelligence corroborated information about surveillance of the Trump team that was known to Nunes, sources said, even before President Trump accused his predecessor of having wiretappedhim in a series of now-infamous tweets posted on March 4.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html)



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on March 24, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
Perhaps you should look at the "evidence" before jumping to conclusions.  Fox News is not the most reliable news source.

Sue

P.S. My local very conservative newspaper has a different slant on this "news" this morning. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 24, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
Read:  "they EXPECT a smoking gun"  and I keep asking show me
the evidence.  Guilt by innuendo--that is Fox News style.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 24, 2017, 10:19:58 PM
Yes Ray, for goodness sakes, you would deny it even Obama admitted he did it.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 25, 2017, 01:09:07 PM
Food for thought, received in my email......



    Conundrum. 

     
    Free people are not equal.  Equal people are not free.   (Think this one over and over…makes sense!)       
     
    "A gun is like a parachute.  If you need one, and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again."   
     
     
    The definition of the word Conundrum is:  something that is puzzling or confusing.   
     
    Here are 6 Conundrums of socialism in the United States of America:
     
     
    1 America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.       
     
    2 Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.       
     
    3 They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.       
     
    4 Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.       
     
    5 The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.       
     
    6 They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they want America to be more like those other countries.       
     
    Think about it! And that, my friends, pretty much sums up the USA in the 21st Century.   Makes you wonder who is doing the math.       
     
     
    These 3 short sentences tell you a lot about the direction of our current government and cultural environment:       
     
    1. We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners
            by the actions of a few lunatics.       
     
    Funny how that works. And here's another one worth considering…       
     
    2. Seems we constantly hear about how Social Security is going to run out of money.  But we never hear about welfare
    or food stamps running out of money!   What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second didn't.       
     
    Think about it...and Last but not least:       
     
    3. Why are we cutting benefits for our veterans, no pay raises for our military and cutting our army to a level lower than
            before WWII,  but we are not stopping the payments or benefits to illegal aliens.   
     
     
     
    "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools."
            - Plato

     
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 25, 2017, 01:37:21 PM
Currently we are living under fools.  Hurrah for the Mar-a-lago Act.

Prez, let us see the White House logs and the Southern White House.
Let's see if their are any Russian visitors.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 26, 2017, 08:45:51 PM
People are relying too much on the Press, which is insanely trying to out-do one another in scaring us half to death.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on March 27, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
Dear June:

I must disagree with your assertion. People are NOT relying too much on the press. They are turning to the press to learn what is happening around the nation and in our government. This is normal and good. The citizenry should be knowledgeable of the actions of its politicians and of the wider world around them. Our forefathers intended a free press when they wrote its protections into the constitution.

And to ease your worries that the press is out to frighten us, they are trying, rather, to ferret out information that some would keep hidden, and inform us. The world is scary and dangerous, and who knows what will happen where next? No one. That fact alone may be mind-jarringly unsettling, but it is not a reason to hide from the truth and wish only to have "happy news" reported to us. The more we know, the better for us.

I hope you will take my remarks in the friendly spirit they are intended.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 27, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Periwinkle, I appreciate your thoughts on the press, though we may not agree, that's fine. That is how we learn from one another. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on March 28, 2017, 05:39:53 PM
In answer to post 414

This is not really a conundrum, just some thoughts put forward based on false premises

Still, let's look at the first two and analyze them.

Free people are not equal, and equal people are not free.

Well, that just doesn't make sense. But it's catchy enough to draw in the unwary.

Hal, if you will lay out your arguments point by point to prove the case, I will try to answer them.

A gun is like a parachute, if you need one and don't have one, you will never need one again. Alternatively, it could happen that if you get into a situation where you think you need a gun, and have one and use it, you'll wish you never had it in the first place.

For that matter, parachutes have been known to fail from time to time, and if that happens with yours, then you won't need one of them ever again either.

Back to the original thought: A gun is like a parachute. Really?

A gun is nothing like a parachute.       
       
A gun's sole purpose is to take a life. A parachute's sole purpose is to protect a life.

On to the six "conundrums" concerning poverty and socialism in the U.S. This list is a gimmick. It depends upon the readers' gullibility.  They must accept the premise that because the first half of the statement is true, the second half will also be true.
1. America is capitalistic and greedy. This is TRUE

Half the population is subsidized. This is FALSE.

More likely, not just half, but nearly all of the population is subsidized in one way or another. There are many, many things that government can do for us that we cannot necessarily do for ourselves. That is why we pay taxes - not just to fund politicians' salaries and pensions, but to provide Social Security, Disability, Unemployment and other needed services.

2. These people feel like they are victims. THEY DO? Who says? I know many people receiving benefits, but I don't know any who think themselves victims, even though some cannot find jobs paying over minimum wage, or have lost their health due to cancer, diabetes, injuries etc. and can't work at all. Instead, they are glad for the assistance received. Most people just keep on doing the best they can without blaming anyone else, and it is unfair on them to parrot these whoppers.

The WPA saved many a family during its day. And I remember paying a dime for lunch and receiving a cod-liver oil pill and a glass of orange juice each morning in Giffin Elementary School at the end of WWII. The result, we kids didn't get scurvy or rickets. Who do you think paid for that? Uncle Sam.

3. Yes, their representatives run the government. That is, if they are doing what they're supposed to be doing. Some don't, but manage to do very well for themselves. This set does not always do so well for their constituents, if they even think about them.

Then there are those terrific Congressmen who really care and are working to make our lives better and trying to make government function as it should. They'll get there but it may take a while and a change of political policies.

I don't know that the poor keep getting poorer. Instead, I would say that they are just having a hard time getting ahead. Not enough jobs for all the would-be workers. Hardly their fault.

True, even poor people in this country have things that other populations could never dream of. In many countries people live with no medical care, no sanitation, poor shelter and little income. Their governments do not work in their interests. Strongmen and dictators are not known to be overly concerned about the needs of their people.

To the next point, not even the most fervent food stamp recipient wants the United States to be more like Africa or Latin America. Who could be so stupid? Where did the writer of this email list get that idea? And why do you believe it?

What they actually want is for us to take note of the way Germany, Sweden, Denmark and a few other more enlightened countries use their tax resources to the great benefit of their citizens. Free education instead of student loan debt, a working health care system instead of medical debt or doing without.

It would also help if we had high-speed rail zipping between our cities, not antiquated rail lines rattling along. And will we ever stop fighting dumb wars on the credit card?

I have thought about this political email, and in all sincerity, decided it's garbage.

Please accept these thoughts in the spirit of friendly debate.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 28, 2017, 10:35:42 PM
periwinkle, your reply to my post was spoken like a true Liberal.  You have to wonder, using your argument, how we ever settled the U.S.  Since government was not there to give them food, medical care and pay for all the other necessities.

By the way I absolutely disagree that we pay taxes to care for others.  That has only come about since the 1960's when LBJ came up with his "great society"

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 29, 2017, 05:06:59 AM
Hal. what is your solution? Shoot the poor, uneducated, unemployed
citizens who are your equals by law.

The Heaven's Gate mass suicide to get a ride to heaven should teach
us something about Islamic martyrdom.  See what was happening
when religious leaders have the minds of and are the governing body.

Kill the infidel, die for your god, get to paradise and have 72 virgins.
I should go into the business of "reconstituting" virgins so there is an
ample supply.

We now have a bully in Washington who has paid off the help religious right of
Jerry Falwell and the anti-science anti-reality Fox News. 

Hal, you and June have brought your god beliefs into this religious
discussion and soon I will not be able to post mine.  Believe reality--
this country is becoming more non-religious and  secular as people
there is a new "dark ages" about to be legislated by and "all man"
National government led by a Hitler-like president.  Was Hitler sane?

Thanks Periwinkle for posting the truth about Hal's ridiculous
statements that sound good but lack substance.  Just like the
"war against drugs" has produced legislation that I cannot obtain
pain relief with any more than 3 pain pills a day and at 8 a.m.
2 p.m.  and 8 p.m. with a 12-hour wait in which pain build up
while I am in bed trying to sleep.  I became a bad egg carping
about it until I got it changed to one every 8 hours.  Why the
problem?  This was the institution's convenient delivery of
Richmond's idea of keeping me from addiction to pain. At 95, an
addiction that helped ameliorate my pain was acceptable.
What I had before was one legal pain pill every six hour prescribed
by a licensed MD.  Unfortunately I decided to enter an assisted-
living facility governed by VA legislation to  protect me from abuse.
Get an education and live in the REAL WORLD and keep your
beliefs in church where it belongs with freedom from government
meddling.  Stay out of my government with those beliefs.

Enough yet, it is 5 a.m. and I am waiting for my next pain pill.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 29, 2017, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: Ray Franz on March 29, 2017, 05:06:59 AM
Hal. what is your solution? Shoot the poor, uneducated, unemployed
citizens who are your equals by law.

No Ray shooting the poor, uneducated and unemployed is not the answer.  But spending our country into poverty is not the answer either.  The folks you mentioned have always been here and will continue no matter what government does. I saw the other day that each taxpayer has a debt of 361,000 dollars under our national debt.  And I certainly don't think it is my job as a taxpayer to furnish a cell phone to these folks

The Heaven's Gate mass suicide to get a ride to heaven should teach
us something about Islamic martyrdom.  See what was happening
when religious leaders have the minds of and are the governing body.

Kill the infidel, die for your god, get to paradise and have 72 virgins.
I should go into the business of "reconstituting" virgins so there is an
ample supply.

I know of no religion, other than the Muslims that believe as you describe.  How do you "reconstitute a virgin?"



We now have a bully in Washington who has paid off the help religious right of
Jerry Falwell and the anti-science anti-reality Fox News. 

You have stated several times that Trump is a bully, how so?  What has he done that makes you say that.  I know of nothing he has done that is even close to Hitler like.  That is a strong accusation to make with no facts to back it up.  How has Trump paid off Jerry Falwell and the (your words) anti-science, anti-reality Fox News.  Again, would you care to furnish some facts.




Hal, you and June have brought your god beliefs into this religious
discussion and soon I will not be able to post mine.

How have June and I caused you to not to be able to post your beliefs? That is just a plain old falsehood and you know it.  Post what you like, I don't have to read your post nor you mine.

Believe reality--this country is becoming more non-religious and  secular as people
there is a new "dark ages" about to be legislated by and "all man"
National government led by a Hitler-like president.  Was Hitler sane?

I am not sure what you are trying to say here. About Hitler, no I don't think he was sane at the end.



Thanks Periwinkle for posting the truth about Hal's ridiculous
statements that sound good but lack substance.  Just like the
"war against drugs" has produced legislation that I cannot obtain
pain relief with any more than 3 pain pills a day and at 8 a.m.
2 p.m.  and 8 p.m. with a 12-hour wait in which pain build up
while I am in bed trying to sleep.  I became a bad egg carping
about it until I got it changed to one every 8 hours.  Why the
problem?  This was the institution's convenient delivery of
Richmond's idea of keeping me from addiction to pain. At 95, an
addiction that helped ameliorate my pain was acceptable.
What I had before was one legal pain pill every six hour prescribed
by a licensed MD.  Unfortunately I decided to enter an assisted-
living facility governed by VA legislation to  protect me from abuse.



Ray, I am truly sorry you are suffering severe pain and I agree they should give you enough medication to keep it in check, but no enough that it makes you a drooling old man.  I too suffer from severe pain, but it can be controlled with Lidocane patches, but you can use only one at day for 12 hours otherwise it will cause skin problems. 

I have to laugh about your one statement, first you want government to do everything for us and then you say: "living facility governed by VA legislation to  protect me from abuse."  Unfortunately, when government runs things they always try to boil it down to one shoe fits all and you and I both know that isn't true.



Get an education and live in the REAL WORLD and keep your
beliefs in church where it belongs with freedom from government
meddling.  Stay out of my government with those beliefs.
Enough yet, it is 5 a.m. and I am waiting for my next pain pill.

Ray, I have an education and live in the real world.  I will keep my beliefs where I want, just as you keep your opinion where you want, as witnessed on this forum.  You express yourself, like perwinkle, very clearly with your statement: "Stay our of my government"  Ray it isn't "your government" it is "our government.
God Bless you Ray and may you find your Savior before it is too late [/b]
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 29, 2017, 02:49:42 PM
Our government, my government is a secular republic.  See how it
changed into a male, Christian democracy at our recent election.
That is the payback for Jerry Falwell's Christian Right support, which
along with Fox-news got Trump elected.

The military budget is being increased at the expense of education, science
and other areas of support.  As a retired educator, all I can say is that
knowledge is big, but ignorance is bigger and opinion and belief are of
no value in the real world.

The reason WWII was a success was the fact there was something to
replace the dictatorship--the Marshal Plan.  Nothing was in place to
replace the Iraqi dictatorship.  Here was another case of a minority
religion being abused by a tyrant.

How easily Christianity forgets the Crusades that made its way across
Europe pillaging and raping to liberate Jerusalem, the birthplace of
Christianity and Islam.  How the land of the Indians was confiscated
and their beliefs replaced with Christianity.  Then the matter of
slavery which was condoned by Christians in the Southern states.
Oh well--no use arguing with Hal who gladly changes the subject,
points the finger of blame at others.

OOPS, almost forgot the Inquisition.  Christians are still not GOOD people.
My opinion based on facts and history.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 29, 2017, 02:54:41 PM
QuoteRay says: Oh well--no use arguing with Hal who gladly changes the subject,
points the finger of blame at others.

And where did I commit this deed?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on March 30, 2017, 05:28:36 PM
To answer Hal's query:

(Ray, the question was asked of you but it applies to me as well...) so:

Where did you change the subject rather than replying with your own reasoned argument? In post #420 for one place!

You did not go through my post, questioning or correcting my assertions, you just pivoted, and observed that I sounded like a Liberal.

Is there anybody following this discussion who hadn't already filed that away? Better that we stay on message than to revert to irrelevancies.

To ponder: Is a Liberal inferior to a Conservative? What about a Liberal with conservative tendencies, and a Conservative with radical tendencies?

Does nobody else in here have opinions other than June, Hal, Ray and me? Going back through this discussion, I noted that a number of former participants seem to have been driven away by the bad vibe. Pity.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 30, 2017, 06:57:25 PM
Periwinkle, speaking for myself, it is a bad day physically.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on March 30, 2017, 07:53:36 PM
I am so very sorry to hear that June, and hope you will be feeling more yourself soon.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on March 30, 2017, 10:56:50 PM
Periwinkle  ... 
I am a "bleeding Heart" liberal,  and in awe of the shenanigans going on in our government, today..

I choose not to post any longer but do watch MSNBC and CNN ...  The free "international versions of them"  as I recently "cut the cord and down sized my Spectrum Cable Internet service to "basic cable" ....   
   Which is saving me a tremdous amount of money, monthly ...   

I dispise Trump and all of the criminals (including himself)  that he has working for him... 

The US Government is now the laughing stock of the world since Trump became the president. 

Have a great evening and keep posting... I am going to go crawl back in my little hidey hole...
:snowball:
Sandy
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on March 31, 2017, 08:44:17 AM
Sandy, since you are such a big fan of MSNBC I guess you heard this lady telling all about Obama spying on Trumps team, unmasking, which is illegal. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gapRNpEjXUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gapRNpEjXUo)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 31, 2017, 07:07:08 PM
Hal., Trump and his crew are free of shenanigans?  Trump's daughter
his advisor sitting in the White house.  She is as intelligent as a box
of rocks when it comes to government.  Maybe the whole family
should be there, because he needs more help than Fox News and Jerry Falwell.  Just my OPINION.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on April 01, 2017, 12:59:20 PM
Hal....a question for curiosity's sake..........do you align your politics more toward the Freedom Caucus or the Tuesday group? Or either?

Does anyone else here want to weigh in on these factions? I would be interested.

The YouTube link was just a clip from Morning Joe, which, since I watch the show with my morning coffee every day, I had already seen. It has been misconstrued by the far right as proof that the Obama Administration spied on the Trump crowd, misused intel for political purposes, etc. ad nauseam.

"This lady" is Dr. Evelyn Farkas, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia.

Sandy, you probably find more comfort in your hidey hole than in here. I enjoy a political discussion between INFORMED parties, so will persist with hope a little longer.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 01, 2017, 06:07:18 PM
perwinkle, I align myself with no one.  I am a Conservative and at the present not too happy with anyone in Washington, with the exception of Trump.  He has done more in the short time he has been in office than Obama did in his eight years.

About Farkas, you may have seen her but you certainly didn't listen to what she said, she admitted without hesitation that they listened in on Trumps transition team and wanted more.  Saying they didn't is simply either being untruthful or ignorant or simply ignoring the facts:

Transcript of her "confession"

"FARKAS: I was urging my former colleagues and, frankly speaking, the people on the Hill. It was more actually aimed at telling the Hill people: “Get as much information as you can. Get as much intelligence as you can before President Obama leaves the administration.” Because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left.

So it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy that the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff dealing with Russians, that they would try to compromise those the sources and methods. Meaning we would no longer have access to that intelligence.

So I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open, and I knew that there was more. We have very good intelligence on Russia. So then I had talked to some of my former colleagues and I knew that they were trying to also help get information to the Hill. That’s why you have the leaking."

Now perwinkle, how do you interpret her statement?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 02, 2017, 01:01:49 PM
The main brouhaha at this time seems to be about Trump and family's money! Make me laugh as he and family made the money in the private sector. Many of the members of Congress made/took their money out of the public trough. When they aren't making money at our expense they are spending it on themselves--  think Pelosi   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on April 02, 2017, 08:45:50 PM
Diglady, you sure have that right..Trump did not depend on the government or the private sector to make his fortune..he did it himself with his own brain and expertise. We are so fortunate not to have another Pig at the Trough.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on April 03, 2017, 05:39:52 PM
Just about every major newspaper in the country tried to warn against Trump, but you folks wanted him and you got him. Now you can sit back and enjoy him.

Hal, I certainly did listen closely to Dr. Farkas, and understood her meaning. The far-right misinterpreted what she was saying and went wild. Incredible!

Perhaps it would have been more clear to ask if you LEAN TOWARD a moderate or a far-right position within your party. The word "align" seemed to rub you wrong.

But never mind that now. This whole exercise has been a silly waste of time.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 03, 2017, 10:25:28 PM
Ah, periwinkle, does the name Susan Rice bring anything to mind?  Like unmasking and leaking.

As for me, I thought I told you I am a Conservative.

I don't guess you could tell me what Trump has done to upset you so much, well, of course he has kept his promises.  Which makes Liberals very unhappy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 04, 2017, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: angelface555 on March 28, 2017, 08:59:09 PM
What this means literally besides your ISP having the legal right to sell your private info as they please, it also means that any corporation, entity, business, insert legal term here, has the legal right to sell any and all information of your info that they come in contact with to anyone. Basically, you now have no right to insist your info remain private. This includes not just public records that were available anyway, but all private records such as banking, medical, automotive, insurance, etc. I am sure there will be legal orders and injunctions popping up but perhaps too little too late.

Think of it this way, your insurance company could sell your medical information with name, address and phone number to a drug company, legally. or to a medical lobbyist.


Angel, previous to this "resolution" only Google and Facebook could collect your data, now all ISP and site can.  That is called leveling the playing field.  And Facebook and Google both did did/do sell you browsing history.  [/b]

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 04, 2017, 03:47:25 PM
perwinkle and Fran, I am sure you will agree with CNN.

CNN Goes on Rampage Against Susan Rice Bombshell, Instructs Viewers to Ignore Story

///snip///
"Last night, Lemon began "CNN Tonight" with an announcement that the Rice report a "fake scandal ginned up by right-wing media and Trump" that he would not be baited into justifying with coverage.

"On this program tonight, we will not insult your intelligence by pretending," it's legitimate, he said. "Nor will we aid and abet the people trying to misinform you, the American people, by creating a diversion. Not going to do it."
///snip///
///snip///
"Again, to note by senior intelligence officials who work for both Democrats and Republicans, this appears to be a story, largely ginned up, partly as a distraction from this larger investigation," Sciutto told Anderson Cooper, explaining that "someone close to Ambassador Rice" told him this type of unmasking is "not unusual."
///snip///

https://news.grabien.com/story-cnn-goes-rampage-against-susan-rice-bombshell-instructs-view (https://news.grabien.com/story-cnn-goes-rampage-against-susan-rice-bombshell-instructs-view)

And we all know how truthful Susan is since she explained the Libyan attack where we lost our Ambassador and special forces members.  Because the liar in chief, Obama, wouldn't send some help. :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 04, 2017, 03:56:49 PM


Fresh evidence the Russia ‘scandal’ is a Team Obama operation
By Post Editorial Board

///snip///
It’s no surprise that US spooks intercept foreign officials’ calls. But intelligence community reports don’t disclose the names of US citizens on the other end. To get that info, a high official must (but rarely does) push to “unmask” the Americans’ names.

Bloomberg’s Eli Lake now reports that Rice started doing just that last year.

That was perfectly legal. But we also know that the Obama administration later changed the classification of the “unmasked” transcripts, and other similar material, in order to spread the information as widely as possible within the government.
///snip///

http://nypost.com/2017/04/03/fresh-evidence-the-russia-scandal-is-a-team-obama-operation/ (http://nypost.com/2017/04/03/fresh-evidence-the-russia-scandal-is-a-team-obama-operation/)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 09, 2017, 05:52:21 PM
Syria-Go Trump! Has to clean up what Obama failed to do even tho he said  they crossed his red line!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on April 10, 2017, 03:02:58 PM
I watched Justice Neil Gorsuch being sworn in this morning. It was almost a family type feeling and our President did a very warm and welcome presentation of the ceremony. This is Government at it's best.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on April 18, 2017, 10:48:36 PM
Saturday, coming up, the people will again take to the streets with posters to try to get a message out to Trump. He doesn't read the papers (or books, I understand), but when he sees pictures of the various marches around the country (this one will probably be world-side, since it is a march to preserve science as a free discipline, a.o.) he might be able to decipher the words on all the signs.
"The March for Science is the first step of a global movement to defend the vital role science plays in our health, safety, economies, and governments."
Yes, I will be marching in the city of my birth with my family. I'm sure other friends will be out there in there home towns. This is the peaceful way to protest wrongs, without weapons.

Have a good weekend.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 19, 2017, 02:57:31 PM
gee rutumi I didn't know Trump was against scientist.  Could you please give me more information on this interesting fact and when he stated he was against science in society.  Thank You
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on April 19, 2017, 04:39:42 PM
These "marches" accomplish absolutely nothing good. They arouse more animosity among citizens, they end up in jail or hospitals, they arouse hate, and take the time from the police, the hospitals, the firemen, the storekeepers, and cause more hatred than ever before.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 19, 2017, 08:11:27 PM
June, do you think they really care?  They just don't want to accept facts or authority.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on April 20, 2017, 06:05:44 PM
How about Pres. Trump's disregard for the Environment.  Cut the funds way back--doesn't seem to believe in the Global Warming warnings from the world's major scientists?

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 20, 2017, 06:40:51 PM
When the idiots stop saying global warming is man made maybe more people will listen.
Bering Straits opened 12,000 years ago. Why? How?

Caves in the France are now being uncovered and teams have found humans lived in the caves 35,000 years ago! Hmm

What is amiss here? Do you think that 'global warming" maybe cyclical? May be natural?

Oh Dear ! Gore can't be wrong!   :knuppel2:  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on April 20, 2017, 09:14:30 PM
Diglady ,  :thumbup: :clap:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 20, 2017, 10:34:15 PM
Sue, which world renown scientist would they be? Oh, and would you mind telling me what their field of study is.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 21, 2017, 12:08:04 PM
Ah, all you Libs, you can rest easy now.......He's Back/size]

Vacation’s Over: Obama Returns to Public Life Next Week

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/21/us/politics/barack-obama-post-presidential-events.html?_r=0 (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/21/us/politics/barack-obama-post-presidential-events.html?_r=0)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 21, 2017, 04:36:50 PM
Thank you June!  What the "experts" all talk about is the CO2 expelled into the atmosphere--the foot print. Hmm I hope these expert realize that humans exhale CO2 and volcanoes expel CO2--

Maybe they are right in limiting CO2 being expelled into the atmosphere. We have to do away with humans!  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on April 21, 2017, 07:41:08 PM
Diglady, I recall years back when they were blaming cattle for releasing an abundance of Co2. Several huge dairies in our area sold out at that time.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 23, 2017, 12:20:51 PM
And years back a young PhD candidate did his science /dissertation on cattle flatulence. His findings changed the cattle feed industry!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on April 24, 2017, 03:02:24 PM
What does a "government shutdown" comprise of ? And how dare they do this act without the permission of those who pay their salaries. If I pay no Income Tax, they have no job. But I would still be sent to jail. I think if these guys don't go to work and earn their salary, I should not pay their wages. What say you ???
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 24, 2017, 05:03:15 PM
June, I think this explains it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown_in_the_United_States
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on April 24, 2017, 07:05:20 PM
Diglady, thank you very much. I found the article very enlightening and the results of a shutdown not as great a disaster as I thought. I am new to politics..up till the last few years, I cared little for what happened in Government. Now I am learning, and caring. Thank you again.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on April 29, 2017, 11:34:37 AM
I don't hide who I am like so many of the rest of the posters.  The civil war was fought to prevent cessession and retain our secular republic .  Now we are leaning toward a Christian theocracy.  Who was Jesus?  A Jewish cult leader calling himself a son of a god. causing a revolt by Jews and punishment by hanging on a cross.  Violence and killing of all male babies.

Periwinkle hang in there but remember there is no freedom of speech and in times of treason lies become truths.  Who hides behind "Halkel"  and his conservative "god speak?"  I had to go through the Looney Bin to get opoids to help with my terrible back pain with opoids.  I am 95 and am ready to die,
I wish I could help the country I LOVE, one with freedom, equality and in this country some are more equal than others.  All for now, off to lunch.  , Now in Lynchburg, VA
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 29, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
Ray I am so sorry you are having back pain. Having just come thru an accident of broken back I know the pain but don't do opioids.  They can get you in a bad way. Neighbor just had a bout with them. Impaction then twisted colon then surgery.

I don't understand why you think USA is becoming a theocracy. Church attendance is way down and various studies show "no" to interest in religious activities.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: MeriJo on April 30, 2017, 02:33:32 PM
Hello everyone!
Thanks to Diglady, I'm here.  Recently, I bought a computer and when I had my stuff migrate from the old computer to the new one Seniors and Friends was nowhere to be found.  I'm sure it's hidden away someplace.

I'm all right, even though I can't walk without equipment as a result of the "small" stroke, I had last year. At my age, it's good that it was small, but I'm still dependent. God has let me keep my mind and I am most grateful.

I hope all of you are well and cheerful.  We had our much-needed rain, and, now, it's all green, lush with flowers and fragrance in my yard and birds have come around.

The drought discouraged our usual residents, the Scrub Jays, and we have not seen them except on a rare occasion, but we have become home to a whole new neighborhood of birds.  One species - not a humming bird, is tinier, and flits
around on the crepe myrtle branches closest to one of the sunroom windows.  So perky and lively!  Have no idea what they are - really tiny little guys!

Politically, I'm delighted with President Trump.  Not so much with Congress, but maybe, in time things will improve.  As for the Leftists appearing, I'm not surprised, but I am surprised with their choice to destroy property and maim people.  The Democrats need to wake up and smell the coffee.  They are Americans first and then Democrats, in my opinion, and should accept the results of the election,  and stop obstructing, but work with the Republicans, Independents and others to be helpful in running the government. Some students in the universities yelling and acting out are the result in part of being offspring of helicopter parents who hampered the individual thoughts and ideas of their children instead of helping them mature as they grew.  The general level of knowledge in the population is dismal as a result of our thwarted educational system.  We need to bring back American Civics to being introduced and taught in the 7th Grade,  and teaching the Constitution in the eighth grade again.  As for the many other difficulties in society, I see, I do a lot of praying for enlightenment among the populace.  I read about shocking things that happen in society that hurt my heart. And, yet, I also see a lot of good being presented in the news as well.  We must just carry on the best we can. 
My best wishes to all here, and all of you have my affection.  Some of us go back quite a few years to the Senior Net days.  I'm 94 years old now.!
MeriJo
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on April 30, 2017, 05:44:54 PM
Welcome back Merijo.  Good post and so very, very true.  Education system, our colleges are nothing more than breeding grounds for Socialist. 


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 01, 2017, 01:38:05 PM
MeriJo, So glad you made it back here! Welcome.

You mentioned helicopter parents. I was talking with a University detective the other day and those parents are now being called SNOWPLOUGH parents. They push everything away. Their offspring do NO wrong! Detective said it is an awful situation.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 02, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
The ramblings of an idiot. 

http://decider.com/2017/05/02/stephen-colbert-donald-trump-cock-holster/ (http://decider.com/2017/05/02/stephen-colbert-donald-trump-cock-holster/)


Another example of Liberals in action.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on May 17, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
It's very unusual to not see Hal's frequent posts.  Does anyone know if he is OK or on vacation?

Thanks for any info.
SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 17, 2017, 12:39:08 PM
No, I am here, just watching the media trying to convict Trump of what Hillary is guilty of.

Impeachment proceedings will be introduced shortly for "supposed" crimes.   



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 17, 2017, 01:20:00 PM
From my email: (I hope no one is offended, but I just couldn't resist)




        Antique Tool Still in Use - Highly Educational

        Do you know what it is?

        Tobacco Smoke Enema Kit (1750-1810)

        The tobacco enema was used to infuse tobacco smoke into a patient's rectum for various medical purposes, but primarily the resuscitation of drowning victims.

        A rectal tube inserted into the anus was connected to a fumigator and bellows that forced the smoke into the rectum. The warmth of the smoke was thought to promote respiration.

        Doubts about the credibility of tobacco enemas led to the popular phrase "blowing smoke up your ass."

        As you are most likely aware, this odd tool is still heavily used by all levels of government. (and I will add news media)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 18, 2017, 01:45:43 PM
Trump has got to learn to shut his mouth and also to stop tweeting. He is bringing these problems onto himself. No one else is doing it to him! IMHO!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on May 18, 2017, 02:35:13 PM
Hal and Dig, I too feel that Trump is starting to be his own worst enemy. He is the President, not the head of a company. He must confer with his cabinet, not tweeting. He must depend on his people that were elected with him. Some of these men have been in government for many, many years and have the background and intelligence that is needed for a President to lead.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 18, 2017, 06:27:24 PM
June, Dig,  remember what they said during his campaign?  Exactly what you are saying.  Trump will be trump, what laws has he broken, none that anyone can point to.  Thank God for him, I will continue to support him and damm the establishment politicians, both Democrats and Republicans.

Let's not forget who he replaced and who he defeated.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on May 18, 2017, 08:06:27 PM
Hal, my dear friend, believe me, I am VERY thankful President Trump was able to defeat this lying, cheating, greedy, evil woman who wanted her foot in the door. However, I do feel he needs to depend on the intelligence and experience of some of the cabinet members who have been in Government for years and have a useful background that would assist him in his Presidency. He deserves more than what Tweeting can give him.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 20, 2017, 10:42:57 AM
Reported here--White House lawyers are looking into rules etc. for handling impeachment process.

Trump needs to shut up!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on May 20, 2017, 12:01:24 PM
Dig, I don't think anything can get Trump to keep his mouth closed!

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on May 21, 2017, 02:39:50 PM
Dig and Sue, I agree with you, but don't sink the ship too soon. He has been a successful business man so we need that background, he just has to be advised to depend more on his Republican friends in Congress. Not to lead them, but to learn with them. At least that is how I feel.  I am still so thankful we got rid of greedy, grasping, Hilary.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 22, 2017, 10:28:37 PM
Another Muslim who was welcomed into a free, democratic country has repaid them with his bomb.  19 dead 50 wounded.


Dig, June, Sue have you noticed how our President has been greeted and how Presidential Trump has been when all the anonymous sources our press finds isn't talking.  Check out the Harvard report on media's reporting on Trump. 

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-donald-trumps-first-100-days/ (https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-donald-trumps-first-100-days/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Radioman34 on May 23, 2017, 05:30:58 PM
Hal the killer in Manchester was born there, but your point is well taken nonetheless; his family was welcomed to England from Lybia.  What I'm finding indefensible is that no one has referred to the killer as a muslim.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 23, 2017, 06:03:11 PM
Yes Don, I did "sorta" misspeak, he was a native born Englishman that hated his country. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 26, 2017, 08:07:14 PM
Shame, shame, shame on the NY times for showing pictures Re; Manchester bombing. They even revealed the bomber's name and made the investigation a  mess. Scotland Yard livid is the term I heard. Scotland Yard said they will withhold security info from us in the future.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on May 27, 2017, 08:54:34 AM
The latest news from the president in exile

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/25/obama-attempts-government-in-exile/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/25/obama-attempts-government-in-exile/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 01, 2017, 04:57:05 PM
I hope all of you listen to President Trump today when he gave his speech on pulling out of the Paris accords.  He was forceful and factual and it is really scary to find out what Obama signed and obligated this country to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLrO5KPP1R4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLrO5KPP1R4)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on June 05, 2017, 07:32:15 AM
what does "cofveve" mean, anyone?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 05, 2017, 11:11:35 AM
Apparently there is no meaning. It was a typo! So I have read.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 09, 2017, 08:51:34 AM
Well Sandy, if you expected Trump to be run out of town from yesterdays hearings I am sure you were sorely disappointed. (no history made here, move along)

Comey said nothing new except that he is a leaker, so much for his "honesty".

Trump's "tapes" tweet prompted Comey to leak memos

https://www.axios.com/comey-testifies-in-front-of-senate-intel-committee-live-updates-2436847918.html (https://www.axios.com/comey-testifies-in-front-of-senate-intel-committee-live-updates-2436847918.html)

I am surprised that this big bad FBI man didn't bring violins along to accompany some of his testimony.  What a cry baby.

And then .......

Comey, Twitter Users ‘A Little Confused’ By McCain’s Questions During Hearing

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/06/08/john-mccain-questions-comey/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/06/08/john-mccain-questions-comey/)

"“I’m a little confused senator,” Comey said."

Of course he was, since he didn't want to go there..........



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on June 09, 2017, 06:04:40 PM
Hal, I watched it for two and a half hours. Really sad to find that even our F.B.I. has weaklings running it. Had it on for a few minutes this morning and shut it down. I wasn't feeling good to begin with..we don't need more bad news.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on June 15, 2017, 10:30:21 AM
Any thoughts on 2 events yesterday?  The terrible shooting of Republicans at a softball field and Jeff Sessions testimony before Congress?  I'd like to know what everyone thinks about these 2 things.

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 15, 2017, 10:45:32 AM
Sue, be nice to know your thoughts.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on June 15, 2017, 02:48:05 PM
Here we go again. Shoot down Jeff Sessions verbally without even wondering what he discussed..if he did...with this Russian person. We are all living in the same world. Before we pronounce judgement, let us hear from J. Sessions. I do not hesitate to speak to anyone......that does not mean I am collaborating with an enemy to wreck havoc on my country. Let's hear what, why, where, when, before we fall into the pit of  destroy, destroy, destroy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 15, 2017, 03:57:49 PM
June/Sue, June Sessions has spoken:
http://www.newsy.com/stories/jeff-sessions-pushes-back-on-suggestions-of-collusion/ (http://www.newsy.com/stories/jeff-sessions-pushes-back-on-suggestions-of-collusion/)

Read and listen to his testimony.

Now Sue you ask how some of us felt about what is going on in Washington, the shooting of the Congressman and others and Jeff Sessions testimony.

Sue I think we are witnessing the attempted destruction of our Constitutional government by a group of people who spew nothing but absolute lies and are attempting to corrupt every aspect of our government, let me re-phase that, they have corrupted every aspect of government from the lowest civil servant to our highest court and every department of our government.  The Democrats have not accepted that the people spoke and elected Donald Trump, the members of Congress and cannot or will not accept that fact and still claim Hillary Clinton was cheated since she won the popular vote.  Take the two biggest, most populist states out of the mix and you will see she didn't win much of anything.  By the way that is the reason we conduct our elections as we do, electoral college, to keep the larger states from electing our president.

Lets review a little bit.  Russian had no affect on our elections.  Hillary's emails were not "publicly" hacked and John Podesta's email was not hacked, it was revealed because he fell for a phishing scheme and gave up his password.  The DNC email maybe was hacked or not.  The FBI was not allowed to examine their servers, but from the emails gleamed it was discovered that Hillary and her merry henchman, Schultz, had a plot to steal the nomination from crazy Bernie, which she did and Schultz was sent packing.  We also learned that Hillary mishandled classified material, but according to the brilliant FBI director, didn't intend to disclose classified material, although she did, me, back in my military days would have not been placed in jail but under it for doing what she did. 

Now what is going on with Trump and his so called evil exploits.  We they cant make collusion stick, so now they are trying to make "obstruction" case against him for "Possibly" saying he "hoped" Comey could see some way to drop charges against Flynn after telling Trump he was not the object of any investigation, three times over a period of three months, Comey also told members of Congress of this fact, but didn't stop the Democrats from continuing to stir up the populace that Trump was more than likely guilty of collusion.

IMO the Democrats, the epitome of fairness, from continually stirring the pot and trying to arouse public opinion against Trump and the Republicans, along with most liberal, left wing media, to add lie after lie (false news).  Well they are reaching their followers and yesterday was a good example of that 'outreach program".

I could go on and on but I suspect what I have said will be ignored and doubt seriously if any of my "admirers" will even respond, at least with any factual rebuttals.  There has not been one shred of evidence  against Trump presented of discovered with all the investigations only lies and more lies.

And Trump continues to do one hell of a job getting this country back on track although you would never know that without a lot of digging.  By the way did you read that he has almost wiped out the MS-13 gang in NY state?

http://nypost.com/2017/06/14/trumps-pledge-to-wipe-out-ms-13-gang-paying-off-in-ny/ (http://nypost.com/2017/06/14/trumps-pledge-to-wipe-out-ms-13-gang-paying-off-in-ny/)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 16, 2017, 03:22:28 PM
Well as I suspected, no takers on my post.  Cat got your tongue?  I swear I do not understand some of you folks.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on June 16, 2017, 09:08:23 PM
Hal, I so agree with all you said, there was nothing for me to reply. All I could add would be my personal thoughts of the current group of Democrat Losers.  Nancy Pelosi is another big fake. How she ever got where she is now is a minor miracle. I don't think she even knows what she is saying half the time.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on June 17, 2017, 02:32:18 PM
No need to comment as you Hal and June seem to have all the answers you want.

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on June 17, 2017, 02:53:50 PM
Sue, I am sorry if you feel as you do. I can only speak for myself, but unless you express YOUR ideas and thoughts, how can we carry on a conversation.? Please. Share with us. I am interested it what the Democratic party thinks and wants.. we don't have to agree, but sharing is essential in my way of thinking.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 17, 2017, 03:43:43 PM
Sue. you exhibit the very traits I spoke of in my earlier post.  You wish to portray me and of all people June, as some kind of know it all.  And this is after asking for opinions.  Maybe you should have phrased your post to the something like: you would like opinions from all but Hal and June.

I resent the heck out of your innuendo about June, she is one of the kindest, gentlest ladies I have had the pleasure of knowing.  Her post was nothing but a simple affirmation that she has similar thoughts about the Liberal Democratic party and for that you slam her.  ]

June, your wondering about Pelosi, look up her background and you will see her father, Thomas D'Alesandro Jr., was a big Democrat in the Roosevelt administration and also in Maryland.  Nancy's bio can be found here: http://www.notablebiographies.com/news/Ow-Sh/Pelosi-Nancy.html (http://www.notablebiographies.com/news/Ow-Sh/Pelosi-Nancy.html)

And Sue, don't use my answer as an excuse not to express your views, in the future I will disregard any request you make for comments.  But it would be nice to have some factual postings that "attempted" to rebut my postings along with links.  Personal attacks seemed to be the norm for Liberals.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on June 17, 2017, 09:22:01 PM
Sue, when you posted the name of Jeff Sessions, I was not familiar with his position, so I went to google  and typed in his name and this is the first thing that came up. 

http://www.commoncause.org/take-action/act/breaking-jeff-sessions-lied-to-congress-secret-meetings-russia-demand-resignation.   

It seemed so inflammatory so it sparked my reply. What is your opinion ?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 18, 2017, 05:41:09 PM
IMO, that counts for nothing: Liberals are trying their best to undermine any attempt at stability  or civility within government- heck within the country.

Sessions has a long history in WDC do you think that he would collude with our enemies? Liberals are inferring he is a traitor! Really!!

Obstruction of justice? Was there an obstruction? Please tell me where and when.

Did anyone see the nasty 'cartoon' by Mike Lester of the Washington Post on Saturday?  There is a man saying, " Honey, where's the Trump Assassination Fantasy Channel?"  Woman on the ground doing push ups says "which one?"

So civil! So unifying!

Liberals want to kill off anyone who disagrees with them. I have liberal friends and when it comes to politics they are obscene! I don't talk /discuss politics with them. We used to discuss issues but not since Hillary and Obama were on the scene. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on June 18, 2017, 07:15:08 PM
Diglady, your post says exactly the way that article made me feel, but I didn't express it as well as you did. It seems like there is so much hatred out there, that it says, "kill, kill, kill." Don't ask questions, don't discuss or rationalize.....just jump in and smear someone else.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on June 18, 2017, 07:23:33 PM
WWII said dig. Well said.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 03, 2017, 09:57:02 AM
What we are all about, wonder if any of our leaders, except Donald J. Trump, would have the guts to say this.


IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. â€" That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, â€" That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. â€" Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. â€" And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

God Bless Our Wonderful Country and it's people.


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Beverly on July 04, 2017, 09:55:25 PM
HappyIndependence Day!


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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 05, 2017, 11:24:14 AM
Okay, it is now summertime, but, football season will soon be here and I am sure we will have the same sorry bunch "demonstrating" their hatred for a country and people that allows them to earn MILLIONS of dollars and show their ass every Sunday.

Received this in my email this morning.  Quote:


        I don’t think this could have been said any better and it definitely is about time someone said it.  Hopefully,
        this will go out over EVERY computer in the U.S. and maybe, just maybe, these sports people will get the
        message of just how ridiculous they are to disrespect our flag, and how little what they do in sports compare
        to what our great military has done for this country.
         
         
        NFL protesting the flag - POWERFUL!!

         
                                              Image result for Ret Marine Col. Jeffery Powers
        Ret. Marine Col. Jeffery Powers wrote to the NFL
        commissioners the following:

         
        Commissioners, I’ve been a season pass holder at Yankee Stadium, Yale Bowl and the Giants Stadium.
        I missed the ’90-’91 season because I was with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm. 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home with the American Flag draped across their lifeless bodies. My last conversation with one of them, Sgt. Garrett Mongrella was about how our Giants were going to the Super Bowl. He never got to see it.

         
        Many friends, Marines, and Special Forces Soldiers who worked with or for me through the years returned home with the American Flag draped over their coffins.

         
        Now I watch multi-millionaire athletes who never did anything in their lives but play a game, disrespect what brave Americans fought and died for. They are essentially spitting in the faces and on the graves of real men, men who have actually done something for this country besides playing with a ball and believing they’re something special! They’re not! My Marines and Soldiers were!

         
        You are complicit in this! You’ll fine players for large and small infractions but you lack the moral courage and respect for our nation and the fallen to put an immediate stop to this. Yes, I know, it’s their 1st Amendment right to behave in such a despicable manner.

         
                                       
        What would happen if they came out and disrespected you or the refs publicly?

         
        I observed a player getting a personal foul for twerking in the end zone after scoring. I guess that’s much worse than disrespecting the flag and our National  Anthem. Hmmmmm, isn’t it his 1st Amendment right to express himself like an idiot in the end zone?

         
        Why is taunting not allowed yet taunting America is OK? You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air. They are so deprived with their multi-million dollar contracts for playing a freaking game!

         
        You condone it all by your refusal to act. You’re just as bad and disgusting as they are. I hope Americans boycott any sponsor who supports that rabble you call the NFL. I hope they turn off the TV when any team that allowed this disrespect to occur, without consequence, on the sidelines. I applaud those who have not.

         
        Legends and heroes do NOT wear shoulder pads. They wear body armor and carry rifles
        They make minimum wage and spend months and years away from their families. They don’t do it for an hour on Sunday. They do it 24/7 often with lead, not footballs, coming in their direction. They watch their brothers carted off in pieces not on a gurney to get their knee iced. They don’t even have ice! Many don’t have legs or arms.

         
        Some wear blue and risk their lives daily on the streets of America. They wear fire helmets and go upstairs into the fire rather than down to safety. On 9-11, hundreds vanished. They are the heroes.

         
        I hope that your high paid protesting pretty boys and you look in that mirror when you shave tomorrow and see what you really are, legends in your own minds. You need to hit the road and take those worms with you!

         
        Time to change the channel.

         
        Powers originally sent his letter to former Florida congressman Allen West. West then posted the letter on his news website.

         
        As of last week, at least 18 NFL player had protested the anthem by either kneeling during the anthem or raising their fists, according to USA Today Sports.

         
            If you agree with what he said please pass this on.

Unquote.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on July 06, 2017, 02:40:54 PM
Thanks Hal, this was so needed ! I wish our Newscasters would pick up on it and plaster it on all the programs. I am not ashamed of our country, but I am sure shamed by some of it's citizens.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 20, 2017, 05:55:27 PM
For my Liberal friends who wonder about "US"

                "US" by Paul Genova

                 
                  (Mr Paul Genova has been President and Chief Operating Officer of Wireless Telecom Group Inc. since June 30, 2016.
                 
                 
                I haven't said too much about this election since the start....but this is how I feel....

                  I'm noticing that a lot of people aren't graciously accepting the fact that their candidate lost.
                In fact you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those who voted for Trump.

                  Some are apparently "triggered" because they are posting how "sick" you feel about the results.

                  How did this happen you ask? Well here is how it happened!
                 
                You created "us" when you attacked our freedom of speech.

                  You created "us" when you attacked our right to bear arms.

                  You created "us" when you attacked our Christian beliefs.

                  You created "us" when you constantly referred to us as racists.

                  You created "us" when you constantly called us xenophobic.
                 
                You created "us" when you told us to get on board or get out of the way.

                You created "us" when you attacked our flag

                  You created "us" when you took God out of our schools.

                  You created "us" when you confused women's rights with feminism.

                  You created "us" when you began to emasculate men.

                  You created "us" when you decided to make our children soft.

                You created "us" when you decided to vote for progressive ideals.

                  You created "us" when you attacked our way of life.

                You created "us" when you decided to let our government get out of control.

                  You created "us" the silent majority

                  You created "us" when you began murdering innocent law enforcement officers.

                  You created "us" when you lied and said we could keep our insurance plans and our doctors.

                  You created "us" when you allowed our jobs to continue to leave our country.

                You created "us" when you took a knee, or stayed seated or didn't remove your hat during our National Anthem.

                You created "us" when you forced us to buy health care and then financially penalized us for not participating.


                        And we became fed up and we pushed back and spoke up.
                  And we did it with ballots, not bullets.
                  With ballots, not riots.
                  With ballots, not looting.
                  With ballots, not blocking traffic.
                  With ballots, not fires, except the one you started inside of "us"

                  "YOU" created "US".

                  It really is just that simple.

             
             

     
     
     





Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on July 20, 2017, 07:31:44 PM
Hal, :tup: :clap: :yes: :thumbup:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 28, 2017, 09:51:10 AM
 :bash:  :bash:  :bash: 

Last  night John McCain killed
the GOP’s health-care debacle 


HOORAY!!!!
:bash:  :bash:  :bash: 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on July 28, 2017, 03:40:04 PM
AMEN to that, Sandy!  I hope they can now agree on something sensible for all Americans.

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on July 28, 2017, 03:44:49 PM
Sue, Sandy, what do you call sensible?  High premiums and high deductible like Obama Care?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on July 28, 2017, 08:03:51 PM
If I recall correctly when Obama care came out there were so many pages to the thing that no one bothered to read it. Now I'm wondering what Pres. Trump had in mind for his style ? Has anyone read it ? How can people vote or not vote on something they have not read ?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on July 31, 2017, 02:51:41 PM
I'm guessing that other posters here have Medicare and perhaps Tricare for Life as I do, so little of what was passed or proposed applies to us.  However, I have children who have to pay a great deal for insurance and I would hope that they could get relief from legislation that could be helpful to them and other Americans. 

I live in Alabama and many of our lowest income families have depended on Medicaid for help with health problems.  I understand that much of that relief has or is being scrapped by Congress.  If I am mistaken, please feel free to enlighten me.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 05, 2017, 04:53:29 PM
Liberals-here is something for you to think about:

Best response I have seen in regards to the the negative feedback about transgenders being banned again from the military... From Sgt. Robert Brown US Army

Nobody has a "right" to serve in the Military.   Nobody!   

What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer?    Very far from it.   

The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short.   

Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers.   Poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth.   Malnourished?   Drug addiction?   Bad back?   

Criminal history?    Low IQ?   Anxiety?    Phobias?   Hearing damage?   Hear voices in your head?    Self-identify as a Unicorn?   Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair?   Can't run the required course in the required time?   Can't do the required number of push ups ?

Not really a "morning person" and refuse to get out of bed before noon?     

All can be reasons for denial.   

The Military has one job.    War.    Anything else is a distraction and a liability.   

Did someone just scream "That isn't Fair"?    War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful.   

YOU change yourself to meet Military standards.   Not the other way around.   

I say again:    You don't change the Military... you must change yourself.   

The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues.    The Military needs to Win Wars.   

If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors.   Who's next in line?
In God We Trust   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on August 05, 2017, 08:31:51 PM
Diglady, thank you. I find your post very apt, and I appreciate what you taught us.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on August 06, 2017, 03:01:33 PM
Dear diglady,

I consider myself a "liberal" (whatever that is supposed to mean) or by a better definition, a progressive-minded Democrat. That is, I identify myself with the Democratic Party. Not the DEMOCRAT  Party, as many Conservatives prefer to call it.

But back to the subject at hand. I cannot thank you for what you have taught me because you have taught me nothing, although I thank you for trying! Your post on the military is a veritable runaway train of bad conflation. I don't need to ponder it, a quick read-through reveals its inconsistencies.

The military is not an employer. More an enforcer. Its purpose - and it is very serious about this purpose - is to instill training in its recruits, order and obedience among its ranks, and to prosecute wars.

Yes, war is serious, and no, it isn't "fair". And, by the way, just who the hell said it was "fair"? Or that it should, or could be fair, or that it has ever pretended to be fair. As I  recall the attitude of the military: Don't like it? Tough **** unfair, my bleeping *** Now fall in line!

And expanding on that vein, aren't the terms "fair/unfair" a rather childish way of referring to the life/death undertaking that is WAR? I'm sure I have heard that term - UNFAIR - used before, and recently too, but just can't place where. Maybe one of you can help me place it.

But back once again to the point being driven here! No, no one has screamed that it isn't fair to deny someone (not too short or tall or too fat or skinny, or otherwise physically challenged or in failing health) the right to join the military service because nature somehow mixed up the male/female divide. 

Many have protested a change in policy, but no one has screamed anything. Ridiculous wording. My suggestion would be: Help them change what needs to be changed and then let them get on with the service they signed up for.

Can we please just use some common sense here? How many seniors and children, flat-footed or not, or sight-challenged, rotten-toothed, drug-addicted, malnourished Americans are beating on the doors of military recruiters? Are we to suppose that people would ignore the fact that an aching back or wheel-chair would be of small service carrying a heavy pack on a 15-mile hike?

If I may add a personal anecdote: a friend of mine was accepted by the Marine Corps at the age of 18 with a mouthful rotten and compromised teeth. Their dentist pulled them ALL and gave him false chompers. They must have worked fine as he did two tours in Viet Nam with no apparent problem. But that was sixty years ago. Maybe they wouldn't do that today.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on August 06, 2017, 03:46:21 PM
Amen to that, Periwinkle!

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 06, 2017, 05:39:42 PM
Well Periwinkle you topped even yourself.  As a military retiree, having served in both the Army and Air Force I can honestly say you show you have no idea what so ever about the military. 

If a person (who is uncertain about their gender) wants to join the military, then I would suggest that they complete their gender identity at their own expense and then see if they can meet the physical standards at the time of enlistment.  Don't ask everyone else to change to satisfy you physical/mental needs.  As an old hairy legged Master Sergeant I don't think I would like to be ask to live with someone who thinks they want to be a woman/man in contradiction to their gender assigned at birth.  And it appears that Trumps tweet about trans-genders was just that a tweet, no policy change has been forthcoming.

By the way Periwinkle, I understand your fellow Frenchmen are not as happy with their new President as they were when he was elected.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/04/macrons-popularity-continues-to-slip/ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/04/macrons-popularity-continues-to-slip/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 07, 2017, 01:43:42 PM
Thank you periwinkle. I see that you believe the Military (fed gov't) should pay for the transgender operations! Wow!  Yes there is some screaming from the far left who would have our forces not kept at tip top shape.

60 years ago your friend was accepted with bad teeth. Recruitment was in high gear as we had just come out or were we still in the Korean war--No I don't remember the dates maybe we were still involved but whatever. Things do change in 60 years! in 1957 I was accepted with a bad back. Not today though.

IMO if we have a transgender in the service let them be and for heavens sake lets let the head of the services decide-not the general public. I do not think this should be a political issue but the liberals have made it so.

The far liberal left have lost their party's reason for being hence their loss a t the last election.                    :2funny:.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on August 07, 2017, 07:43:51 PM
Thanks for that support, Sue!

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: periwinkle on August 07, 2017, 07:53:54 PM
Diglady,

It was a pleasure to read your message #512. You have presented a simple argument, demonstrable facts and also given me your honest, personal opinion. THANK YOU!

No pivoting to talking points or badgering me with assertions about my thought processes, general political knowledge, bad intentions or country of origin. This is the sort of discussion I have hoped for from the "opposition" in this room.

I trace my Democratic roots back to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. I firmly believe he became a great president because he was willing to implement the ideas of his Labor Secretary, Frances Perkins. Lyndon Johnson, for all his flaws, could have been great also if he hadn't taken us into Vietnam. We would likely be a different country today.

I agree that a radical wing of the Democratic Party has moved too far to the left and dragged much of the party with it. Also the Democrats have split into a number of self-interested factions. They need to dispense with the "purification" routines and unite in a clear message for the betterment of the American public and a plan for putting it into action. Only if they take this path will they win back the trust of the people.

Too much Wall Street, too much entitlement, too much hubris. They are looking at more defeats if they don't develop ways to better the lives of the people. More regulation, not less. We are reliving the 1880's and our great-grandparents' suffering. The rich get richer....etc...
And that criticism goes for BOTH parties!

At least the Republicans are taking a few small, tentative steps toward waking up, growing a backbone and maybe helping to get Congress on track, working the way it's meant to.

The suggestion that the trans soldiers in the military should be kept makes sense. They are dedicated and already trained. Much more to be discussed on the subject, of course.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 07, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
periwinkle. Both parties need to shape up!! :tickedoff:

Trump needs to tweet less! Religious right needs to calm down-recede a bit.

Liberals need to get back on track. I will use this as an example of liberals going off the rails:

Heard on NPR several months ago-Seattle City Council made it against the law to use the term "brown bag" as it is racist!!

Basically my take on all of it:  Barnum Bailey Circus is no more. Nature hates a vacuum!  So we have politics filling the Circus departure vacuum! Awesome deviltry;
smoke and mirror; stunts; clowns  (buffoonery!); stunning displays of daring; general amusement! I am sure one could add more!   :-[
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on August 08, 2017, 08:38:11 PM
Diglady, my "take" on my President Trump is he is a great business man, he has proven that. He has the right thoughts on our needs in government, but tweeting is for people like me, even though I haven't done it yet. I feel Pres. Trump has to realize that he has a cabinet that is part of his Presidency and he should confer with them on all issues, not to the public at large. I would respect his judgement a great deal more if he did that.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 10, 2017, 11:11:54 PM
Looks like China has finally make a hard decision which should make North Korea think before acting.  China doesn't have their back if they (North Korea) attacks first.

Chinese paper says China should stay neutral if North Korea attacks first

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-media-idUSKBN1AR005)

Lets us hope that the little dictator with the bad haircut is paying attention.  We are dealing with a juvenile delinquent.  I loved John Boltons' statement the other day.

"Well I think the North Korean performance under the agreed framework tells you everything you need to know about dealing with North Korea, about reaching agreements with them and what commitments by North Korea are worth when they say they will give up their nuclear program. North Korea in the past 25 years has solemnly pledged on at least four separate occasions to give up their nuclear weapons program and they’ve violated every commitment. What they want to do is negotiate endlessly to get tangible economic benefits in return for them making a pledge to give up their program, which they then don’t carry out but try and accumulate as much of the benefits as they can. It’s a tactic very similar to what Iran has used and in the case of the agreed framework which president Clinton said would bring peace and security to all of northeast Asia. When the Bush Administration came in, it became clear that North Korea had been violating the agreed framework before the ink was dry on it. Which was why we had to get out of it in order to try to put more pressure on them. The fact is I don’t think North Korea is ever voluntarily going to give up its pursuit of nuclear weapons. And its also the case that even if there were more negotiation, oh I think North Korea has no credibility. Those negotiations themselves benefit North Korea, time is a valuable resource, time is not a neutral feature. People say, ‘what can it hurt to talk with them, what do you lose?’ The answer is you lose time. Time is the asset for the would-be proliferator. And today, we see estimates that North Korea may have as many as 60 nuclear warheads. But at least as of now if that estimate is correct, it is doubtful they have 60 ballistic missiles. At the end of 6 months, or 9 months, or 12 months of negotiation, they may well have it. So time is on the side of the proliferator. I think we are out of time to try to pressure the North Koreans. I think we’ve only got one diplomatic play yet, that’s the possibility of trying to persuade China that everybody would be better off if we reunited the two Koreas. That’s a hard argument to make. But it doesn’t involve negotiating with North Korea, it involves negotiating with China. And if we are not prepared to pursue that, then President Trump’s options are very limited and very unpleasant."

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2017/08/10/ambassador-bolton-negotiations-only-benefit-north-korea/ (https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2017/08/10/ambassador-bolton-negotiations-only-benefit-north-korea/)

What Rush Limbaugh had to say about Trumps statements.


You Gotta Love It! Trump Doubles Down on North Korea

Aug 10, 2017


https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/08/10/you-gotta-love-it-trump-doubles-down-on-north-korea/ (https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/08/10/you-gotta-love-it-trump-doubles-down-on-north-korea/)

Okay, now the following is pretty long but you need to know the truth of the news being published.  Espectially about the 60 "new" actually old warheads.  And how Obama had his idiot over in Iran making his little agreement about Iran getting their atomic bomb.


The Washington Post Passed Off 4-Year-Old Information as Breaking News

Aug 10, 2017





RUSH: But what started all of this? I want to go back to that. It was a Washington Post story. The Washington Post story genuinely shocked the world. Now, stick with me on this.

The Washington Post reported that the Defense Intelligence Agency had concluded that North Korea had successfully produced miniaturized nuclear warheads that could fit inside their missiles, about 60 of them â€" and that report changed everything. That turned North Korea from a bumbling little potbellied fool into, “Whoa, they’ve got warheads now?” Everybody started changing their focus on this, 180 degrees. But here’s the problem with this:

That was not news. The Obama administration knew about North Korea’s miniaturized nukes years ago. This was Tuesday when the Washington Post did a big, big bombshell from the DIA that North Korea is now capable of building miniaturized nuclear weapons that could be used as warheads for missiles. But the Post story omitted that the DIA concluded this four years ago, folks. This is 4-year-old news!

This is no different than the New York Times on Monday night with the shocking news alert saying that they’ve come across a secret government document suggesting that global warming is happening much faster and much sooner than anybody knew. It’s much faster and sooner than the models predict. In fact, global warming is so bad that it’s happening right now! It turns out that that very document had been public for months, and the New York Times reports it as a leaked document they secretly got that had never been reported.

They were unleashing it in the world. The reaction that night with the alert and the next day was typical. It was fake news, and so is this business that the Washington Post did on Tuesday that North Korea all of a sudden has nuclear-warhead capability. They’ve had it since 2013. Who was president in 2013? That would be none other than Barack Hussein O. Was it reported in 2013? No! Did anybody raise hell about it in 2013? No! Did anybody get scared? No! Did anybody talk about, “What the hell has Obama done here?” No!.

Was anybody asking, “What the hell did Bill Clinton do? How could Bill Clinton let this happen?” No! There was no concern. There was no panic. There was no fear. There was nothing. They didn’t even report it. The DIA made this calculation, reported it in 2013, and it wasn’t even known. It was greeted with a ho-hum. You know why? Because throughout the Obama administration, there was simply no way that Barack Obama could do a damn single thing wrong â€" and whatever happened in the world was good because Barack Obama was president.

Just like the Iranians getting a nuclear weapon. “Why it’s only fair. Who is to say they can’t?” And the North Koreans nuking up while Obama is president? “Well there’s nothing to see here! Obama’s got the situation in hand. Obama is erudite and sophisticated. He’s cosmopolitan. Obama can deal with the North Koreans.” Now we have a fake story that’s four years old and reported as a bombshell on Tuesday, and now look at what everybody is doing. This is unconscionable!

Now we’ve got everybody reacting here as though there’s a brand new imminent threat and it’s just days away, that this lunatic is going to hit Hawaii or Guam or whatever, which is providing a new opportunity to portray Trump as incompetent, inept, dangerous, and what have you. Just like every other prior Republican president is portrayed, including George W. Bush. The pattern is unending. It’s just like when it comes to speech.

Anybody on the left on TV can say anything they want. They can shout the N word like Bill Maher did. They can say whatever. Let a conservative come along and say something not even close to that and all hell breaks loose, and the censors break out, and the demands for firing people and shutting them down and getting them off the air start immediately. Meanwhile, leftists are allowed to do anything. So the North Koreans can nuke up when Obama is president. “Yawn! Nothing to see here.”

Bill Clinton can enable the North Koreans to nuclear weapon-ize, lying through their teeth during negotiations, saying, “We’re only going to build nuclear power plants,” and then when they nuke up, we don’t blame Madeline Albright for being incompetent and stupid. We don’t blame Bill Clinton for missing the boat, and we certainly don’t blame Obama when they get 60 miniaturized warheads. No, we shelve the story and we wait for the next Republican president to get in office.

We drop it on him to make it look like he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Meanwhile, the president, the grand poobah, the chief, whatever this guy is that runs Guam, is thrilled that Trump is talking the way he is talking because he wants the North Koreans to have no doubt what’s going to happen to them if they launch on his island. He doesn’t want any girly-boy, pajama-boy lingo.

He wants somebody talking John Wayne tough at Kim Jong-un because he’s supposedly in the crosshairs here. So once again, everything is 180 degrees out of phase, and the American people are being lied to front to back. The New York Times and that bogus climate change alert and story which was old news that didn’t even draw a crowd when it was first made public. And now this lying sack of excrement crap from the Washington Post claiming, “60 miniaturized nuclear warheads just this week we discovered Kim Jong-un had!”

Nope.

It was a 2013 Defense Intelligence Agency assessment. Again, not a single story back then of any panic or fear or concern. No media reports asking, “Does Obama know? How could Obama have let this happen? Oh my gosh!” No. If there were any stories, it was, “Don’t worry! Obama’s got it. Obama knows how to deal with it. He’s the smartest man in the world.” This is putrid, sick, offensive stuff â€" and you know what I’m tired of? I’m tired of turning on the TV â€" you can’t miss it â€" during the daytime. (I’m not watching at night.)

I watched some panel â€" I don’t remember which network â€" complaining about “the partisan divide” in Washington and how it is just getting worse and worse and worse. Of course, the usual suspects are who? Us! People who do not kowtow to the establishment way of thinking, people who do not fall in lock step with this kind of garbage the New York Times and the Washington Post are putting out â€" and this is considered the problem with partisanship.

Free speech and partisanship, the two go together. Partisanship gets worse as conservatives fail to comply with the approved way of thinking and the approved way of speaking, and this is making everything much worse. So what the left is actually seeking here is the elimination of liberty and the elimination of freedom by virtue of using intimidation â€" and, worse â€" to get people to shut up. We’d better be thankful that there are voices out there that can expose the fraud that has become mainstream news.

The New York Times, the Washington Post and their related networks CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC â€" even PBS â€" and on and on. In other words, there is nothing new in North Korea, folks. The 60 warheads? Nothing new. Kim Jong-un bragging about having them? Nothing new. Kim Jong-un threatening to use them? Nothing new. What is new is there’s a president responding to it in a forceful, definitive way. That’s the only thing new about this. We don’t have a pajama boy who wears mom jeans who can barely throw a baseball in the first pitch of the Nationals game as president.

We have somebody there who is no-nonsense and who is not going to take this â€" and that’s now being portrayed as the threat. Donald Trump is the threat. You know the Washington Post actually has a story today â€" a panicked realization as though they just figured this out? Honest to God, I saw the headline last night. It’s something… It’s not this. I’m paraphrasing. It’s, “Oh, my God, oh, my God! Trump actually has the nuclear codes.” That’s the headline: “Oh no! Trump has the nuclear codes.”


Well, what is the reader supposed to think of that? We’re supposed to imagine some insane lunatic, out of control that nobody can rein in. “He has the nuclear codes? He can launch today? Oh no!” So it’s Trump that poses the threat to the world, not this lunatic in North Korea â€" and not the Iranians, by the way â€" and not the Russians and not whoever other enemies of ours exist. No, it’s Trump. It’s irresponsible. It is dangerous. And it’s sick.

And we’ll be back. Don’t go away.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT


Periwinkle you say you want facts.  You got them.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on August 10, 2017, 11:29:47 PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: rutumi on August 11, 2017, 10:59:10 AM
 :nopity:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 13, 2017, 12:42:11 PM
Strange our Main Stream News Media is very quite on this meeting in AZ next month. 

Is Changing the Constitution the Only Way to Fix Washington?

http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2017/08/07/is-changing-the-constitution-the-only-way-to-fix-washington (http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2017/08/07/is-changing-the-constitution-the-only-way-to-fix-washington)

I would also like to see term limits put into the Constitution, time to get rid of these lifelong politicians who think they run the world (and do).

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 13, 2017, 12:47:56 PM
"New York Times" is really pushing Socialism in some strange ways.

Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fred-century&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fred-century&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 13, 2017, 01:01:33 PM
A fishing we will go.  A career changing "hope to be" event.  If nothing else he can find someone that screws up and mis-remembers and he can charge them with lying under oath.

Mueller Is Said to Seek Interviews With West Wing in Russia Case


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/politics/mueller-trump-russia-priebus.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/politics/mueller-trump-russia-priebus.html)

Of course this is a NYT article so it may not be true. And anything written must be taken with a grain of salt.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 13, 2017, 01:10:35 PM
The new Communist party (USA) leader has spoken.

Elizabeth Warren Takes Aim at Moderates and Generates Chants of ‘Warren 2020’

///snip///
ATLANTA â€" Senator Elizabeth Warren used a speech to a grass-roots conference Saturday to take direct aim at Democrats’ diminished moderate wing, ridiculing Clinton-era policies and jubilantly proclaiming that liberals had taken control of the party.
///snip///
///snip///
"“The Democratic Party isn’t going back to the days of welfare reform and the crime bill,” she said, highlighting measures Mr. Clinton signed into law as president that are reviled by much of the left. “It is not going to happen.”

Yet Ms. Warren, a Massachusetts Democrat who is widely thought to be considering running for president in 2020, noted to about 1,000 activists here for the yearly Netroots Nation meeting that they hardly needed to worry about the party shifting to the middle as it did in the 1990s. Liberals, she said, have taken charge."
///snip///
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-democrats-liberals.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-democrats-liberals.html)

That's all folks.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 16, 2017, 04:20:01 PM
Another long post, but look what is happening to our country.  Trump tells the truth and he is blasted by all the liberals (Socialist/Communist) and even the wimps of his party.  We are witnessing, I am afraid, the breakup of our country while the good people sit idly by and say nothing, absolutely nothing.  What is he being blasted for, why he said both sides of the riot were at fault and were wrong.  Cant have that.


America 2017: You Will Conform and You Will Love It

Aug 16, 2017




RUSH: You know what this feels like to me? The cultural revolution of Mao Tse-tung when the Chinese became the ChiComs. This is exactly what it was like: “You will conform, and you will love it. You not only will conform, you will love it â€" and if you don’t, kablooey! It is to the work camps to you or to the reeducation jail for you â€" and if you don’t get it after that, then it’s dog doo-doo for food for you until you do get it.” Let me ask a simple question, ladies and gentlemen. You know, I can’t help it. I’m logical.

I can’t help it! That’s the way I think. I’m the mayor of Realville. I’m looking at the media, and I’m watching various… I did watch some TV last night, and I found out why I stopped. Boy, you talk about… I just was blowing up last night. I don’t like being mad. I tell myself, “You don’t have to be mad anymore, Rush, you’re 66!” I can’t help it. I get mad. It’s a good sign, probably. I’m watching TV, and I’m reading a lot of so-called conservative publications and blogs and websites, and if I didn’t know better… Well, no. I don’t have to qualify this.

I’m being told, you’re being told that Donald Trump does not want to tick off the Nazis or the Klan or the white supremacists, because that’s his base. Right? And he’s got to acknowledge ’em. He can’t make ’em mad. Why not? Well, because that’s who elected him. Do you realize how asinine that is, folks? Do you realize how literally stupid and dumb that line of thinking is? How many members of the Ku Klux Klan are there?

And subtract one with the death of Robert Byrd, Democrat senator from West Virginia. How many members of the Klan are there? I happen to know the number. How many neo-Nazis are there in the United States? How many registered neo-Nazis, and how many white supremacists? Do you actually think…? I’m asking all of you in this audience. Do you actually think that the people who elected Donald Trump are the Ku Klux Klan, the Nazis, and white supremacists? Is that who elected him?

Because that’s what your media is telling you, and that’s what many in your conservative media are joining with the left in saying that Trump is doing all this because Trump is trying to accommodate these wacko right-wingers ’cause that’s who voted for him, and he can’t afford to lose ’em. Or â€" get this, I forget who said it â€" that Trump will take the support of anybody who loves him. “He’s so desperate to be loved, and if the Nazis love him, you will not ever hear him condemn them.” Except that he has! He’s condemned the Nazis! He condemned the bigots.

He condemned the white supremacists and the Klan â€" and, you know, Trump when he was flirting with the presidency originally back in 2000 with the Reform Party, you know why he quit the Reform Party? Because David Duke joined it. He quit the Reform Party because Pat Buchanan joined it. You know, this is the party that Perot started back in 1992, or at least was founded around Perot, and Trump was flirting with a presidential bid back in 2000, 2004, whenever it was, and he quit the party the moment the Klan got their hands in it.

There is no history of Donald Trump associating with the Klan. None whatsoever. But beyond that, people are saying that Trump is insensitive and he’s boorish and he’s a pig, and now he’s sympathetic to all of these extreme right-wing groups ’cause that’s who elected him. Okay, how many members of the Klan are there, folks? Have you Wikipedia’d this yet? The number is 200,000 tops. Tops! How many white supremacists are there? Where do they live? How do you campaign for them? Where do you get their votes? Where are they registered and how do you reach them in a campaign?

And now the Nazis, the neo-Nazis, where are they? How many of them are there? Add all three of these groups. How many people are we talking about, and we’re told these are the people that elected Trump? It’s not possible, folks. It simply isn’t possible, and therefore the idea that Trump refuses to criticize them even though he has? The media says he didn’t mean it on Monday, so they’re not letting him credit for criticizing. “He didn’t really mean it in his press conference Monday.


“He showed that he won’t criticize ’em, ’cause he likes them, ’cause he needs them.” So now you’re being lied to and told that Donald Trump is president because the Klan, the Nazis, and the white supremacists are his base, and that’s why he will not condemn them. Please don’t tell me you buy into that. Please. Please don’t tell me that you have bought that. Okay, let’s go back to the phones. Here is Diane in Oklahoma. Welcome. Great to have you on the program. How are you doing?

CALLER: Hi, Rush. I am a great admirer of yours. My husband and I both really admire you, and we appreciate your statesmanship, your ability â€" God-given â€" to reason and articulate. Thank you for being my voice, our voice. I too was born in 1951. Good year.

RUSH: Wow.

CALLER: In 1987, I first heard you. I had the radio on during my lunch break in the car, and I thought, “Oh, brother. Another brash, loudmouth, bombastic idiot liberal talk show host.”

RUSH: Liberal!

CALLER: And then suddenly I stopped and I listened, and I thought, “My gosh, he’s a brash, loudmouth, bombastic, non-idiot conservative talk show host,” and I have seldom missed your show since then.

RUSH: (laughing)

CALLER: We’re 24/7 members, and… Anyway, we are really appreciate everything that you helped us to learn. In my early adulthood, I learned about revisionist history. I read original William Bradford writings. I’m thrilled with your children’s series, Rush Revere. I’ve lived and worked in China, and every time stuff like this comes up, I just think, “If only Americans would read the history of China and Mao Tse-tung and what he did.” I have a lot of Chinese-American friends who came here from China, and they’re Trump supporters simply because they said, “You know, we see what the Democrats and the liberals are doing, and it’s very much Mao-like.” Just listening to you today, I agree that this is not innocent on the liberal side.

RUSH: There’s a “but” coming in all of this, isn’t there? There’s a “but” coming, right?

CALLER: No, because I’ve been listening fourth to you, and I’m just thinking, “Man, we have revisionists, not just history. We got revisionist current event spinners every day in the media.” The only thing, as I was listening in the last couple of days, I did have to come to the conclusion that â€" and my husband and I discussed it. If we had been there, we would have quickly found a news reporter â€" though they probably wouldn’t have reported it. But we would have removed ourselves as very fine people, and I do see what you’re saying and I’ve listened more closely â€"

RUSH: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold it. Why would you have removed yourselves?

CALLER: Because at that point I think we would have been identified with what was being promoted from the white supremacists and from the neo-Nazis, and we don’t identify with that in anyway.

RUSH: Wait a second, Diane. This was not a Trump rally. Do you understand that?

CALLER: Yes.

RUSH: There would have been no reason why you would have gone there. There isn’t a Trump rally. It’s not a conservative rally. It was a rally on the part of people who got a permit. They oppose statues being torn down. They oppose the attempt to erase aspects of American history.

CALLER: Yes. Yes.

RUSH: And you’re telling me that had you been there, you would have split the scene the first Nazi sign that you saw, the first swastika?

CALLER: No. As soon as I saw what was happening, I would have split the scene, absolutely.

RUSH: Well, what do you think happened that would have caused you to split the scene?

CALLER: Violence. And that would have been violence on either side.

RUSH: Right.

CALLER: Now, also, this is so funny because we have very few what I would call liberal friends. I mean, we just don’t. We just don’t run in those circles. But there are people in our lives that we dearly love, my niece and then two godchildren, 21 and 18. Great niece, actually. But they’re very liberal. They’ve been, you know, schooled in what kids are being schooled in, and so for the first time I’m trying to listen to their articulations. I mean, they’re getting fed the regular â€"

RUSH: How old are they?

CALLER: â€" the internet media, the Yahoo media, all that, they’re being fed that every day.

RUSH: How old are they?

CALLER: Well, the niece is 45, but the young ones are 21 and 18.

RUSH: Okay. All right. So you are â€" (interruption) Hey, Brian, our little iPhone here just got a FaceTime call. Ha-ha. The private iPhone that we use for broadcast purposes just got a â€" I’m gonna tell ’em I do not want to answer it, all right. We actually use this for the Dittocam. So for the first time you are sensitive to what they think?

CALLER: Yeah. Because I love them so much.

RUSH: Right.

CALLER: You know, when you have a personal love â€"

RUSH: Okay. Let’s cut to the chase. What do you mean by all of this? ‘Cause I really am out of time now, but I want to stick with you, find out what your point is. You’ve had a long setup here to what I know is a point you want to make to me that you’re tiptoeing up to. Just hit me between the eyes with it. Let me have it, Diane.

CALLER: Because I’ve been listening to you since I first called in, I think you very clearly said that Trump was not saying that there are very fine people in the white supremacist movement or in the neo-Nazi movement, but that’s what’s being portrayed, that’s what these young people are hearing, and that’s what all the liberals are hearing, and that’s all they hear.

RUSH: Okay, but in the case of your niece, your great niece, and your nephew, do you tell them they’re wrong, or do you not, because you love them and you might find it pointless to try. How do you deal with this? You say you’re more open to what they think. But what if they’re wrong in your estimation and you love them and you don’t want to them to be wrong, you want them to see the truth, do you tell them?

CALLER: I do think they give me time and they listen. I appreciate that so much. In fact, he just bought a new iPhone, well, it’s an iPhone 6, but new for him, I just thought, gosh, all you’d have to do is get something from Rush and you’d probably listen to him for a while. He did do the Constitution 101 and 102 as Hillsdale College at my request, so he is not a totally closed-minded young man.

RUSH: Well, that’s good. That’s good. Your effort and your time spent is worth it. Well, look, Diane, I’m glad you called. I have to take a break because, as I said, I’m way long here. I appreciate it.

While the NYT (The Daily Worker) has this to say, in a shocked voice:

Trump Defends Initial Remarks on Charlottesville; Again Blames ‘Both Sides’

By MICHAEL D. SHEAR and MAGGIE HABERMANAUG. 15, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/trump-press-conference-charlottesville.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/trump-press-conference-charlottesville.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news)

My God he blamed the Alt Left too......how can he do that?

Also read that had a big tear jerking memorial for the lady demonstrator that was killed this weekend.  Wonder if they will put a statue up for her.

Ah, go ahead say what you are thinking about me. For commenting on her memorial service.  I sympathize for her and her family and condemn the idiot who drove the car into the crowd of Alt Left demonstrators.  But when you come armed to the teeth, both sides, expect plenty of bad, bad trouble.  And folks it isn't over yet.  Look what the Alt left did in other cities, where there wasn't the Alt Right present.





   

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 16, 2017, 04:27:32 PM
You know what is happening now reminds me of the 1950's when I was in the UK and the Communist were all in the streets and I was routinely and constantly told "go home yank" and "don't rearm Germany".  Of course they were wrong then and wrong now.  The Yanks didn't go home, they are still there, Germany was rearmed.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Shirley on August 16, 2017, 06:06:20 PM
I have not read all the past posts and won't be the least offended if nobody wants to hear my opinion.... but I still have the right to say what I think. 

First of all, I totally agree with Trump about both sides having good & bad people, but I do NOT AGREE with any of the NAZIS hate beliefs.  On the other hand, as long as being NAZI in this country is legal, they have as much right to demonstrate as the Black Panthers did many years ago.  I did not like them, either.  Do we want our Congress & Senate to make it against the law to be a member of the Nazi Party in this country?  IF SO, DO IT.  On the other hand, I totally disagree that anyone has the right to re-write history. Slavery was a fact, the South lost that war but do we really want to banish everyone that had to do with slavery?  Here's where I agree with Trump.... openly or hiding, our first President not only had slaves but has a line of descendants to prove he had close relations with them.  Do we burn down his home, pull down his statues?  How many Americans do the Liberals want to offend with their HATE?  Not true? Think about it from all sides. 

I've been saying all along that I did vote for Trump, I think he is a lot better business man and has more guts than any President since Harry Truman.  That is what it is going to take to undo all the damage many of the previous Presidents did as they sold out our country trying to "buy" votes and foreign countries.  Sadly, we have a whole bunch of gutless business men and politicians that jump to get their face, words & deeds out to the corrupt news media.  What ever happened to the term "slander"?  Used to be that any news print, radio or TV needed proof or the newsman/woman or employer could be sued, big time, and be scorned by everyone.  Those were the good old days when we didn't have 24/7 talk shows that say anything to get attention,

Not sure how the news media can twist the fact that our economy is better, welfare is having to clean up some of their book keeping, and that crazy little fat boy in N.Korea actually blinked because he wasn't sure just what Trump would do.... "Way to go, Trump"!!!  If there was any way to get word to our President that this 82 year old would be delighted to shake his hand for voicing MY OPINION, I would jump at the chance.  I don't Tweet or do Facebook so I'm saying it here.  I won't be back to debate, I've said what I think.
Thanks, if you've read this far........Shirley
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on August 16, 2017, 06:45:14 PM
Shirley, well said.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 18, 2017, 03:10:32 PM
Bad guys on both sides is sure true. Both armed to the teeth. Driver is a flat out murderer.

I think those who would pull down statues/monuments are like the ISIS killers. That is what they have done!

1984  is upon us--rewriting history!!

Bannon is gone now.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carol on August 21, 2017, 10:38:35 AM
"and just like that people were mad at statues"  - Forest Gump

This reminds me of the ending of the Columbus Day parade.  We never went to the parade but I always thought Columbus was daring to take everyone on the journey.  Isn't that some feat?  The parade is gone in Denver.  It really was only some older Italian immigrant families who enjoyed a subdued celebration - no shots into the air.  Why couldn't they have their little parade? 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on August 21, 2017, 01:11:54 PM

Conundrum

"A gun is like a parachute. If you need one and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again."


The definition of the word Conundrum is: something that is puzzling or confusing.

Here are six Conundrums of Socialism in the United States of America:

1 America is capitalist and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.

2 Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.

3 They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.

4 Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.

5 The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other Countries only dream about.

6 They have things that people in other countries only dream about, yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

Think about it! And that, my friends, pretty much sums up the USA in the 21st Century.

Makes you wonder who is doing the math. By the way ....

1 We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, But we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.
Funny how that works. And here's another one worth considering...

2 Seems we constantly hear about how Social Security is going to run out of money. But we never hear about welfare or food stamps running out of money? What's interesting is the first group "worked for" their money, but the second didn't.
Think about it.... Am I the only one missing something?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 06, 2017, 09:24:19 AM
From my email this morning.....
CHARLES REESE'S FINAL COLUMN....

     

    A very interesting column. COMPLETELY NEUTRAL

    Be sure to Read the Poem at the end.

    Charley Reese's final column for the Orlando Sentinel...

    He has been a journalist for 49 years.

    He is retiring and this is HIS LAST COLUMN.

    Be sure to read the Tax List at the end.

     

    This is about as clear and easy to understand as it can be. The article below is completely neutral, neither anti-republican nor democrat. Charlie Reese, a retired reporter for the Orlando Sentinel, has hit the nail directly on the head, defining clearly who it is that in the final analysis must assume responsibility for the judgments made that impact each one of us every day.

     

    It's a relatively short but good read. Worth the time. Worth remembering!

     

    545 vs. 300,000,000 People- by Charlie Reese

     

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

     

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

     

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

     

    You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.

     

    You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.

     

    The House of Representatives does.

     

    You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

     

    You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does

     

    You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

     

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

     

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

     

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.

     

    The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

     

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

     

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

     

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.

     

    Who is the speaker of the House now? He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

     

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

     

    If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
    If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

     

    If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan ... If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

     

    There are no insoluble government problems.

     

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.

     

    Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

     

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
    They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses, provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...

     

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

     

    What you do with this article now that you have read it... is up to you.

     

    This might be funny if it weren't so true.

     

    Be sure to read all the way to the end:

    Tax his land,

    Tax his bed,

    Tax the table, at which he's fed.

    Tax his tractor,

    Tax his mule,

    Teach him taxes are the rule

    Tax his work,

    Tax his pay, he works for peanuts anyway!

    Tax his cow,

    Tax his goat,

    Tax his pants,

    Tax his coat.

    Tax his ties,

    Tax his shirt,

    Tax his work,

    Tax his dirt.

    Tax his tobacco,

    Tax his drink,

    Tax him if he tries to think

    Tax his cigars,

    Tax his beers,

    If he cries tax his tears.

    Tax his car,

    Tax his gas,

    Find other ways to tax his ass.

    Tax all he has, then let him know that you won't be done till he has no dough.

    When he screams and hollers; then tax him some more, tax him till he's good and sore.

    Then tax his coffin,

    Tax his grave,

    Tax the sod into which he's laid...

    Put these words upon his tomb,

    "Taxes drove me to my doom..."
    When he's gone, do not relax,

    it’s time to apply, the Inheritance tax.

    Accounts Receivable Tax

    Building Permit Tax

    CDL license Tax

    Cigarette Tax

    Corporate Income Tax

    Dog License Tax

    Excise Taxes

    Federal Income Tax

    Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

    Fishing License Tax

    Food License Tax

    Fuel Permit Tax

    Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)

    Gross Receipts Tax

    Hunting License Tax

    Inheritance Tax

    Inventory Tax

    IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

    Liquor Tax

    Luxury Taxes

    Marriage License Tax

    Medicare Tax

    Personal Property Tax

    Property Tax

    Real Estate Tax

    Service Charge Tax

    Social Security Tax

    Road Usage Tax

    Recreational Vehicle Tax

    Sales Tax

    School Tax

    State Income Tax

    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

    Telephone Federal Excise Tax

    Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax

    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes

    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax

    Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax

    Telephone State and Local Tax

    Telephone Usage Charge Tax

    Utility Taxes

    Vehicle License Registration Tax

    Vehicle Sales Tax

    Watercraft Registration Tax

    Well Permit Tax

    Workers Compensation Tax

     

    STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

     

    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

     

    We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom, if agreed,stayed home to raise the kids.

     

    What in the heck happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'

     

    I hope this goes around THE USA at least 545 times!!!

     

    YOU can help it get there!!!

     

    GO AHEAD. . . BE AN AMERICAN!!!



     
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on September 07, 2017, 07:37:35 PM
Thanks Hal, problem is most people don't understand good sense.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on September 12, 2017, 11:44:50 AM
For my Progressive friends:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/hiU20QjKPCo (https://www.youtube.com/embed/hiU20QjKPCo)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 07, 2017, 01:16:06 PM
It has now been reported that the OBAMA administration made manufacturing, using, buying, selling the "bump stocks" legal. That is the nasty the LV shooter used to turn his guns into really rapid fire.  So many dead and injured due to this ruling/law.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 11, 2017, 03:24:12 PM
Now here is a scary little fact:

An old-school pharmacy hand-delivers drugs to Congress, a little-known perk for the powerful   

By Erin Mershon @eemershon

October 11, 2017   

“At first it’s cool, and then you realize, I’m filling some drugs that are for some pretty serious health problems as well. And these are the people that are running the country,” Kim said, listing treatments for conditions like diabetes and Alzheimer’s.

“It makes you kind of sit back and say, ‘Wow, they’re making the highest laws of the land and they might not even remember what happened yesterday.'”

https://www.statnews.com/2017/10/11/pharmacist-congress-drug-delivery/ (https://www.statnews.com/2017/10/11/pharmacist-congress-drug-delivery/)

Read the article about what a doctors visit for a year cost our Congressmen.  No wonder they don't want to change things.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 13, 2017, 01:37:42 PM
Thanks Hal, for an interesting article
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 20, 2017, 11:12:45 AM
From my email this morning"


Why can't the media pundits remember?

Remember when Donald Trump was business partners with the Russian government and his company got $53 million from the Russian government investment fund called Rusnano that was started by Vladimir Putin and is referred to as "Putin's Child?”

    Oh wait, that wasn't Trump; it was John Podesta.


Remember when Donald Trump received $500,000 for a speech in Moscow and paid for by Renaissance Capital, a company tied to Russian Intelligence Agencies?

    Oh wait, that was Bill Clinton.


Remember when Donald Trump approved the sale of 20% of U.S. uranium to the Russians while he was Secretary of State which gave control of it to Rosatom the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation?

    Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton.


Remember when Donald Trump lied about that and said he wasn't a part of approving the deal that gave the Russians 1/5 of our uranium, but then his e-mails were leaked showing he did lie about it?

    Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and John Podesta.


Remember when Donald Trump got $145 million from shareholders of the uranium company sold to the Russians?

    Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.


Remember when Donald Trump accepted millions in donations from Russian oligarchs like the chairman of a company that's part of the Russian Nuclear Research Cluster, the wife of the mayor of Moscow and a close pal of Putin's?

    Oh wait, that was the Clinton Foundation.


Remember when Donald Trump failed to disclose all those donations before becoming the Secretary of State, and it was only found out when a journalist went through Canadian tax records?

    Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton


Remember when Donald Trump told Mitt Romney that the '80s called and it wanted its Russian policy back. The Cold War is over?

    Oh wait, that was President Obama.


Man, Trump's ties to Russia are really "disgusting!"



Why can't the media pundits remember?

Remember when Donald Trump was business partners with the Russian government and his company got $53 million from the Russian government investment fund called Rusnano that was started by Vladimir Putin and is referred to as "Putin's Child?”

    Oh wait, that wasn't Trump; it was John Podesta.


Remember when Donald Trump received $500,000 for a speech in Moscow and paid for by Renaissance Capital, a company tied to Russian Intelligence Agencies?

    Oh wait, that was Bill Clinton.


Remember when Donald Trump approved the sale of 20% of U.S. uranium to the Russians while he was Secretary of State which gave control of it to Rosatom the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation?

    Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton.


Remember when Donald Trump lied about that and said he wasn't a part of approving the deal that gave the Russians 1/5 of our uranium, but then his e-mails were leaked showing he did lie about it?

    Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and John Podesta.


Remember when Donald Trump got $145 million from shareholders of the uranium company sold to the Russians?

    Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.


Remember when Donald Trump accepted millions in donations from Russian oligarchs like the chairman of a company that's part of the Russian Nuclear Research Cluster, the wife of the mayor of Moscow and a close pal of Putin's?

    Oh wait, that was the Clinton Foundation.


Remember when Donald Trump failed to disclose all those donations before becoming the Secretary of State, and it was only found out when a journalist went through Canadian tax records?

    Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton


Remember when Donald Trump told Mitt Romney that the '80s called and it wanted its Russian policy back. The Cold War is over?

    Oh wait, that was President Obama.


Man, Trump's ties to Russia are really "disgusting!"


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on October 20, 2017, 02:27:36 PM
Hal, I wonder why articles like this are remained so hidden from the general public ? Why  doesn't Fox News grab things like this and talk about them ? How can June Drabek contact Fox new and mail them this article ???????
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 22, 2017, 12:36:44 PM
June, I think you have to remember the left is totally against free speech. They are for the total control of the US citizens too. Truth is not in their favor!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 23, 2017, 03:21:53 PM
Looks like another American sport is biting the dust.

NFL HELL: Several Stadiums Nearly Empty As Anthem Protest Backlash Rolls Into Week 7 (PHOTOS)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/nfl-hell-several-stadiums-nearly-empty-anthem-protest-backlash-rolls-week-7-photos/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/nfl-hell-several-stadiums-nearly-empty-anthem-protest-backlash-rolls-week-7-photos/)

These players may be rich, but they aren't very smart.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on October 24, 2017, 02:09:17 PM
They made their bed, let them sleep in it. Where do our athletes get the idea they are better than anyone else ? No Brain, just Brawn.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on October 24, 2017, 05:54:15 PM
Have any of you nay-sayers ever read the second amendment which addresses rights to free speech--people are entitled to their opinions if they are not seditious!

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 24, 2017, 08:58:33 PM
Sue, second amendment is the right to own and bare arms.
First amendment is the right to free speech.  But it also gives us the right ti disagree.  Also we don't have to listen, just as you don't.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on October 25, 2017, 12:29:27 PM
Hal, you are right.  Amendment 1 is the "Freedom of religion, speech, and the press' rights of assembly and petition.  (Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right to people peaceably to assemble; and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.)

My bad--in citing Amendment II.  I was hasty when I disagreed with you.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 25, 2017, 03:41:24 PM
No problem Sue, it is an easy thing to do.  Like mixing up the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.  Speaking of the contents of both documents.

One other little item (actually several) Trump has been attacked from every angle on this so called collusion with the Russians.  Well most of us know that it isn't true, collusion.  At any rate please look at this link, very long, and we see who is responsible for all the lies and money wasted with the investigations.  Interesting how much Muller is involved...

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/10/25/the-scandal-of-scandals-clinton-campaign-and-dnc-paid-for-the-phony-trump-dossier/ (https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/10/25/the-scandal-of-scandals-clinton-campaign-and-dnc-paid-for-the-phony-trump-dossier/)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 27, 2017, 07:56:27 PM
SCFSue, The topic is NFL and the kneeling players. I don't call kneeling free speech! I call it disrespect to our national anthem and our flag. Stadiums should be emptier! One goes to see a GAME and instead sees PLAYERS kneeling -playing politics instead of the game for which they get HUGE salaries! Boycott all the products these players represent.   :tickedoff:   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 27, 2017, 11:44:50 PM
Please watch this:

https://www.facebook.com/liftable/videos/2022448677989846/
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on October 30, 2017, 08:45:06 AM
Well Mueller took out his insurance today.  He got an indictment on Manafort for TAX EVASION.  Trump cant fire him without stirring up all kinds of political withes brew.

Former Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort Charged in Russia Probe

https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-charged-in-russia-probe-1509365767 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-charged-in-russia-probe-1509365767)

Mueller was on very thin ice IMO
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 19, 2017, 05:42:13 PM
                   HAPPY THANKSGIVING  to all
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on November 19, 2017, 10:54:49 PM
Same to you Dig.  Hope you have a good one.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 08, 2017, 01:10:06 PM
This was such an active site for so many years and now? where is everyone?  I miss you all.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 08, 2017, 03:27:15 PM
Dig, I agree with you.  I enjoyed the site, but was accused to being mean to post negative comments/articles about Obama and his bunch, all were true.

I have to wonder about all those that doubted my information since we have a President who really does care about our country and how it has rebounded in the last 10 months.  What do they have to say.  Obama said: "“We have to tend to this garden of democracy or else things could fall apart quickly,” he said during a question and answer session.

Despite the democracy of the Weimar Republic, he added, Adolf Hitler rose to power. "Sixty million people died. ... So, you've got to pay attention. And vote," he said, referring to the death toll from the Second World War.

Critics of Mr Trump accuse him of fuelling nationalist and nativist feelings across the US and of stoking anti-Muslim rhetoric."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/08/barack-obama-accused-comparing-donald-trump-hitler/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/08/barack-obama-accused-comparing-donald-trump-hitler/)

Oh, well, I don't suppose I will get any response from my critics.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on December 09, 2017, 02:10:17 PM
Hal, I dislike disagreements over politics or anything else, but I do disagree with your take on this President's administration and his obnoxious tweets--which I don't read, but hear about on the news programs.  I think he's made a terrible mistake with his stance on Jerusalem and his inability to work with others in the United Nations.  I'm sure you will disagree with this--but I do have one question for you. 

What do you think of the recent news about our twice sanctioned and removed from office by the Alabama Supreme Court for malfeasance of office who is once again running, this time for U.S. Senate?  He purports to be a devout Christian championing Christian values--but unfortunately he has a very unsavory past.  There are too many women who have testified to being molested by this man when they were under the age of 18.

President Trump has endorsed Roy Moore despite this because he is a Republican (Trump's words, not mine!).

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 09, 2017, 04:49:37 PM
About Moore.  That is the desires of the people of Alabama, to either elect him or not.  As for Trumps endorsement.  He is not different than the Democrats.  Remember a guy by the name of Ted (the swimmer) Kennedy.  Or JFK or LBJ oe how about FDR.  Heck Sue history is full of politicians who had ladies on the side (no pun intended).  They went to the wall to save a guy by the name of slick willie (I'm sure you remember him) who''s wife just ran and got defeated for President. 

I don't condone that kind of behavior but I don't know how you stop it. (well I do, but wont go into details here).
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 11, 2017, 10:39:23 AM

Don't ever say you weren't warned - 'He IS on his way' ~
'He IS being groomed at this very minute'BY GEORGE SOROS


PRESIDENT ABDUL EL-SAYED?


Etch this man's name in your mind.


His name is Abdul El-Sayed.



After years of being groomed by George Soros. He has been handpicked by the Left to be their next "champion" of Hope and Change.



He is 32 years old, born in the USA , and an extremely well educated Muslim Doctor in Detroit Michigan .  (education funded by Soros)


He is handsome, articulate, charismatic and smart.


He is sympathetic of the Muslim Brotherhood, and is running for Governor of Michigan . Which is Step 1 in his preparation to run for President of the United States .


He has the potential to be Obama #2, but far more openly Muslim.

Abdulrahman Mohamed El-Sayed is an American physician, epidemiologist, public health advocate, and politician He has announced his candidacy for Governor of Michigan , running as a Democrat.

Wikipedia:

Born: October 31, 1984 (age 32), Michigan

Awards: Rhodes Scholarship; Paul and Daisy Soros; Fellowships for New Americans

Education: University of Michigan , Ann; Arbor (BA); Oriel College , Oxford (MA, PhD); Columbia University (MD)

Political party: Democratic Party.


In 2020 he will be eligible to run for President!


Democrats' mouths are watering in anticipation and raising money..


Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren is already campaigning for him.


Another Trojan Horse?


Al Jazeera, which is widely read by Michigan's large Muslim population, is doing its best to help George Soros make him "YOUR" president in 2020!



Google: Abdul El-Sayed-Soros
Bet you never dreamed an unknown, like Obama, would end up as the President of the United States of America not just once but twice FOR 8 YEARS total, did you?!

Could it happen again???  Don't say your weren't warned!!!!

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on December 12, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
Hal, I pray that my grandchildren , will be wise enough to cover our errors in Politics in general. Who of us would ever have dreamed that Christianity could be wiped out by Muslims ? Whatever foolish humans will allow to happen, there is one God and always will be. There is one true Creater God, and He will always rule. I rest in Peace.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 12, 2017, 03:32:13 PM
June, our country is eat up with political correctness and a lack of common sense.  Some people keep voting for the same idiots and sending them to our state capitols and D.C.  I have a Congressman that has visions of grandeur and who represents no one but the Democratic Party and their agenda.  But he is in a "safe" district and I got included in that district through no fault of my own. 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: halkel on December 15, 2017, 03:30:34 PM
Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/embed/xOwSaSl_PGk (https://www.youtube.com/embed/xOwSaSl_PGk)

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 23, 2017, 03:26:23 PM
 

               MERRY CHRISTMAS

               HAPPY NEW YEAR         
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on December 23, 2017, 09:44:02 PM
Dig Lady, and I wish you a very Blessed Christmas and I pray that our God will give you the gift of a renewed health and happiness in the coming year.

Hal, My Great Uncle was a Democrat Congressman. And he had to write the words that put the Japanese in camps during WW11. It was heart breaking.

It is not easy for all those in charge.  Just a remembrance that popped into my brain.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on January 11, 2018, 08:14:04 PM
Where is everyone???? I have been away for some time, but this site has not had a post since December.   

Is anyone out there???

Emma
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on January 12, 2018, 11:03:11 AM
Hi Emma.  I'm here every day, but don't have much to say.  I'm not happy with much of the news coming out of Washington, but don't know how to suggest ways to improve it. 

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 13, 2018, 05:51:28 PM
Barnum and Bailey circus is no more. Mother nature doesn't like a vacuum-void- so we are have the antics of WDC to fill the void to amuse, amaze and delight us.  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on January 16, 2018, 12:07:37 PM
Hi Dig! Glad to see you are still here. Your post said it well and the circus continues.

Hope all is well with you and your family.

We have two inches of snow and it is still snowing. Cold too!!!!!

Stay warm.......

Emma
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on January 17, 2018, 01:13:04 PM
Hi Emma.  I live in Auburn, AL, and we have 3-4" of snow on the ground this morning.  This is unusual for us.  I've only lived here since 2004 and only once have we had snow that stuck for a while.  That time it started raining after the snow fall and when it quit I walked in my neighborhood to find almost every house with children who were all off school with a snowman that was about 5 inches high and no snow left in their yards!  This amazed me as we lived twice in or near Brunswick, Maine, during my late husband's Naval career.  He was always deployed in the winter--when we got 4-5 feet of snow about every 3rd week!  I had to park my car down by the street and then go out and completely uncover it in order to visit the Obstetrician.  I was pregnant with our second son.  Things here in Auburn today are totally shut down! 

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Radioman34 on January 19, 2018, 06:30:55 PM
Just to keep you up to date, Hal Kelly died this afternoon. His wife called me to let me know,
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: so_P_bubble on January 20, 2018, 06:37:50 AM
HalKel
https://www.seniorsandfriends.org/index.php?topic=465.msg118579#msg118579 (https://www.seniorsandfriends.org/index.php?topic=465.msg118579#msg118579)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 21, 2018, 01:04:30 PM
What? What a shock. Hal will be missed by so many. I will go to the above posted link.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on February 14, 2018, 10:11:55 PM
I am sad to hear that Hal is gone. He was literally the last man standing in this discussion. It reminds me of Lonex  passing, the unexpected is always a shock. He will be missed.

Emma
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on February 14, 2018, 10:24:38 PM
Sue, sorry I have not answered your post. I am not a regular poster right now, perhaps later when I have more time.

Without Hal, this discussion may just die on the vine. Perhaps you could enliven it with your posts.

Emma
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 16, 2018, 01:12:22 PM
It would now seem that Trump has every right to doubt the effectiveness of the FBI. Reports now say FBI acknowledges poor to nonexistent handling of information they had re: the Florida school shooter--Cruz

http://my.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20180216/8f7de420-019d-40f1-9305-ec9978916d98

or

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/fbi-was-warned-that-accused-florida-shooter-could-attack-school/ar-BBJdTCk?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartandhp

or

http://www.newser.com/story/255497/fbi-tip-to-us-on-parkland-suspect-fell-through-cracks.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=earthlink&utm_campaign=rss_topnews


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 23, 2018, 02:26:17 PM
I just got notified today that medicare is changing the medicare card.  The new card will NOT have the SS # but will have an assigned number. New cards will be distributed April 2018 thur April 2019
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on March 01, 2018, 11:13:36 AM
Diglady, thanks for the information about the new Medicare card for 2018/2019.  I'll be on the lookout.

I am hoping that this terrible disaster at the school in Florida will bring some common sense to the sale of guns with bumpstocks and other automatic weaponry.  We do not NEED those guns available to all in this county!  I am proud of the young people who have gone to the capitol of Florida and protested the sale of those weapons.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 11, 2018, 10:53:04 PM
Alert New scam:

This is pretty important to get to people with Medicare, their families, and friends or adult kids who help parents with Medicare
Have just gotten word about the newest Medicare scam from an organization I educate for, Texas Senior Medicare Patrol, a division within the Better Business Bureau.
Here's what you need to know to protect yourself, family and friends, throughout the US.
Starting  4/1/18  Medicare will start a year-long project to replace all current Medicare cards for beneficiaries to convert to alphanumeric ID numbers. Currently, the ID number is your social security number. This is starting to hit the media.
Scammers are opportunistic .
First of all the new Medicare card will come to you in the mail.  You don't need to request it or do anything. It will show up.

WHAT'S THE SCAM?
Somebody from "MEDICARE " will call to tell you-you are getting a new Medicare card. But until it comes you will need a temporary card. Fee for the card is between $5-50 dollars. They want personal information, bank account or credit card so they can process your temporary card.

THINGS TO REMEMBER
Medicare will never call you unless you ask them to.
Medicare does all communications by mail unless you ask them to call.
Ditto for anybody saying they "work with Medicare to make sure you get everything you are entitled to" .

Scammer   A lert
HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM THIS ONE?
First of all, spread the word. Feel free to share these notes.
Use your answering machine to screen calls or just don't even answer a number you don't recognize.
If it has happened to you or your friends or loved ones and personal info had been given out (happens considerably more often than you think so don't feel bad or stupid) immediately take action to protect yourself against identity
theft.



Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on March 12, 2018, 10:09:04 AM
Good Information Dig!

Thanks for sharing.   

I already monitor all of my phone calls
and much of my emails.   

We can't be too careful about how much
we communicate via our phones and computers.

Best wishes and thanks again.

Sandy    :-X
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 12, 2018, 10:36:49 AM
You are welcome Sandy.  Good to see you posting.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on March 12, 2018, 12:05:03 PM
I also thank you, diglady.  This is important information and helpful to all who see it.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Ray Franz on March 12, 2018, 02:18:08 PM
Things haven't changed from way back when I last posted here.
 
Did women actually vote for the "groper in chief" in the White House? 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 12, 2018, 02:45:33 PM
Hi Ray. No things have not changed. Roosevelt w/girlfriend, Kennedy w/many girls, Clinton w/Monica-I think have extra martial is all part of the Presidency unfortunately.  Only thing different, Trump is not WDC  or party establishment so he gets nailed (for everything!)

I do hate tweets and Face book so I stay clear of all that mess.  Trump knows how to play the press!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: June Drabek on March 29, 2018, 03:11:07 PM
We at Rountree Gardens received a notice for NCEA (National Center on Elder Abuse) on the Medicare Scam. I say, NEVER send anyone any money without thorough investigation.

We had a lady speak to us this week, from NCEA on Elder abuse. There are many types of Elder abuse....not just physical or mental...If you want to learn more. call 1-855-500-3537 . They say they are here for us to"Ensure that older Americans live with dignity and honor and are free from abuse,neglect, and exploitation." It was a very enlightening meeting, and should be passed on to friends and relatives.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on April 04, 2018, 11:11:04 PM
Have any of you been watching the PBS special "And Now We Rise"  written and edited by Henry Louis Gates?  The last segment was on this evening--very enlightening about the struggles of Black Americans.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 09, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
Show hasn't been on here yet.

I remember the south in the forties.  We had a black maid, Lee. My mother in trouble with the locals as she had a room with SHOWER built for Lee. Locals said my mother was coddling a black! My mother told them she wanted Lee clean as she cooked for us! That shut them up! I remember so much more!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on April 10, 2018, 01:29:32 PM
We had a black lady who brought her young granddaughter with her when she cleaned.  She was the same age as my youngest sister and Mozelle often put them in the same bathtub together.  We thought nothing of it!  Mozelle was like a member of our family.

Sue

P.S.  A few years ago there was a great movie (IMO) about a young white woman with "airs" who had a black cleaning lady/nursemaid who was more of a mother to her young daughter than she was.  She was terribly rude and obnoxious to the maid who stayed because she loved the little girl.  Olympia somebody was the friend of the maid and another well known black actress was the maid who loved the child. I can't remember Olympia's name, but she is a graduate of Auburn University here in Auburn.  Olympia was one of the women who portrayed the black women who cracked WWII codes for the FBI or CIA. 

I also enjoyed the 2 night series about the career and assassination of M.L. King on PBS last week.  Very accurate as to happenings in Alabama.  I didn't live here at the time as my husband was still training for  active duty as a Navy pilot, but of course we heard about it.  His mother was a secretary at a firm in downtown Montgomery and had been riding a bus to work, but resigned her position after the Rosa Parks incident because white men/women attacked the busses with rocks.

A friend from our church was related to the prominent white lawyer who represented Mrs. Parks in her suit.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 12, 2018, 11:59:24 AM
Hi All. I have finally found my way back here. Microsoft did in my computer with their automatic 'updates'. I have a letter into the CEO of Microsoft. Doubt if he will reply. I claimed elder abuse by Microsoft  and asked for a remit of the cost to repair my computer. I really should claim theft as in mu=y opinion that is what Microsoft commits -they have no right to steal from me.  Lost all installed soft ware, photos,-more plus time and $$.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on June 12, 2018, 12:37:10 PM
Good luck with your claim of elder abuse, Diglady!  I agree that Microsoft has no right to steal from you--or any of their customers.  I hope you are compensated for your loss--but I'm afraid they will probably disregard your complaint,  IMO, we seniors don't count for much when we're up against corporations.  They seem to have government collusion on their side.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 21, 2018, 02:36:36 PM
Thank you Sue. I think Microsoft is anti people. Period. Unlike most companies that we have known they believe the customer is WRONG.

The thing I find interesting is that many companies have the same problem as I do re: automatic updates but they rely on another program to get around the problem. Wish we could all sue!   :tickedoff:

I would sue for loss of freedom, false entry into my space and theft of my personnel property.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carol on November 05, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
Microsoft ruined Seattle - we are so happy that Amazon is NOT choosing Denver.  It could not get any more crowded.

We could not vote this year because the ballots cannot be forwarded.  The city of Denver always rules the entire state anyway. 

Finally, tomorrow the television ads will be over here in Tucson.  It has been so overwhelming and nasty - really must be millions of dollars wasted on t.v. posts.  Wishing they could have given that money to a real crisis here within the state - many super problems. 

I hope I have not confused you with three cities.  Seattle - my home town.  Denver - children are there as well as our home - Tucson, we come here for a few months in the winter (which is pretty mild this year). 

Sue and Dig:  Agreeing with you on loss of privacy for sure.  We are being herded and it will be even more so with the younger generation.   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on January 07, 2019, 08:50:42 PM
Hello......I am having a hard time posting....don't know what the problem is, but did the site go down again??   Emma
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on January 08, 2019, 11:22:54 AM
Hi Emma.  I see your post, so it worked.  I don't know if there is anything wrong with the site.  Try e-mailing Bubble who often knows how to fix things like this.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 14, 2019, 05:49:17 PM
Hi all, Hope you had a wonderful Holiday Season.

Politics has taken the place of Barnum Baily Circus as entertainment! Mother nature does not like a vacuum.  B&B gone soo
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 08, 2019, 11:28:01 AM
This has become very political: Abortion.

IMO, it is not about abortion it is about control over women. Abortion per se is secondary. Women need to stand up for the total control of their bodies. I would also suggest that women start legislation re: ED medication (Viagra, Cialis (sp?) etc . No man over 25 years of age eligible to receive any ED medication.

 IMO This is not a party issue-it is a female having power over their own bodies.

Nor is it a religious issue. Catholics Church has claimed power over the female body for years and years. And the far religious right is doing the same.

Stand up women! Own yourself.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on June 12, 2019, 10:15:01 AM
Dig, this is a big problem in Alabama now.  The Religious Right Wing controls our legislature and they have criminalized Abortion for all women, despite the reasons for it.  The case is going to the U.S. Supreme Court, but who knows what the outcome will be--and the case also refuses abortion to women who have been raped and/or are victims of incest!  Unfortunately our legislature is dominated by extremely conservative men.  I doubt seriously that the legislature will take individual cases into consideration.  This is totally disgusting IMO!

SCFSue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 13, 2019, 12:58:29 PM
Women need to stand up for ownership and control of their bodies. I still say it is about control. So how do we turn the tables on them? A confused thought: Limit the ED medications they like-Cialis, Viagra. It is a US war ( Uterus vs Sperm war)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carol on June 21, 2019, 04:06:41 PM
Denver council member CdeBaca promises to implement communist policies "by any means necessary"  - She is newly elected and just made that statement.  Is this of interest to anyone? 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on June 23, 2019, 10:51:05 PM
I find it strange, Carol.  I would think there should be a huge outcry from voters immediately!

Keep us posted.
Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carol on July 01, 2019, 06:09:46 PM
Sue: I find it strange as well.  We are free to say what we like in this country so all voices can be heard.  I grew up knowing some escapees from the Soviet areas and even former German prisoners - they worked for my dad's business and they found it interesting that anyone from a free nation would ever endorse that closed society.   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on July 09, 2019, 11:14:36 AM
My son lives near me in Opelika, Alabama.  During WWII, young German prisoners were brought to Opelika to live with citizens who would take them in.  These young men worked for the city/county offices for the duration of the war.

  Many of them have continued to come to Opelika to visit their friends who employed them.  It was a WIN/Win situation for the young men and the residents of Opelika.

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Carol on July 13, 2019, 03:48:52 PM
SCF - That is a nice story of your community.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Emma on June 11, 2020, 09:12:06 PM
Dig, Dapphne, MeriJo, are you out there?

Emma 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 12, 2020, 10:44:21 AM
 Hi Emma !

Good to see you.  it has been a long time. 

I have stopped posting here because
as I have said else where " I would rather
stay quiet and appear stupid, then open my
mouth and remove all doubt" ... 

But it is very nice to see you again.  I hope
that you are well in this day of covid and
other negatives  etc....   

Sandy
 :knuppel2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on June 14, 2020, 02:39:24 PM
Good morning, Sandy! I'm happy to see your post--it's been a while!  I hope all is going well with you and that you're able to get outside in the sunshine.  We have lots of sunshine which I love, but I'm trying to stay inside most of the time.  We have the corona virus nearby (not in our neighborhood, but close!).  I do take a daily walk downhill and back up and will continue doing that until the "all clear" notice goes out from our hospital.

I hope you are feeling well and that your family is too!  Have a nice day!

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 14, 2020, 08:56:43 PM
Hi Sue...

Like most people today our age,  I
am  pretty much staying home and checking
out my Windows to the World which overlooks
the main street here in the city of Portland.

I feel very lucky to be able to see
so much going by which holds back
"cabin fever" setting in for me.

I am doing well.  My kids are around
to take care of my needs...  when and if I
need them. 

I am wishing everyone a good Summer,
but it doesn't look like Covid is going
away any time soon..   

So sad...

Best wishes to everyone tuning in.
Sandy
 :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on June 16, 2020, 11:13:47 AM
Sandy, I don't remember if I told you that we lived in Brunswick, Maine, twice while Bob was a Navy pilot.  He was gone most of the time and I pretty much raised the boys alone several years.  We all rejoiced when he came home!

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 27, 2020, 11:07:28 AM
Hi everybody! So glad to see this site still alive. It has been awhile since I checked. I am still in Arizona CV-19 Hot BED unfortunately. I have been at home since 13 March. I wander out in my car just to drive the neighborhood. Neighbor buys groceries for me.

I am so upset with D. Trump. At this point I really think he is in full blown senility and should retire.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 27, 2020, 11:09:31 AM
Hi
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on June 27, 2020, 11:29:17 AM
Good morning, Dig and every Buddy looking in this morning.  I've been up and dressed and have had breakfast.  I'll be going outside shortly for a walk down the hill and back up.  Going down is easy, but coming back up can be tough!

I'm planning a stay inside most of the day. I'm reading a series of books about Naval heroes in the 1800's and enjoying them.  Not much else going on here this morning except for my daily walk down hill.  I go 3 long blocks to the corner and back.  Coming back up is pretty tough, but I think it's good for me.

I hope Every Buddy looking in has nice weather and a happy day!
Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on June 27, 2020, 11:49:03 AM
Hi! Have a good walk up and down the block. Stay cool and safe. It is 108 degrees here so we stay inside for the most part.

Any thought on politics? I am appalled that this dang virus has turned into a political affair. It is medical .
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on June 29, 2020, 11:32:49 AM
I do have thoughts about politics.  I won't burden you my usual rant about Trump and his cronies, but I am very concerned about the White House and what they are doing! I am afraid that Trump will be re-elected and we'll have another 4 years of mixed messages from Trump!

I will be glad to see the end of the Trump era!

Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on June 29, 2020, 02:06:46 PM


Good Monday Afternoon from the rainy
and cool rocky coast of Maine.   

It is real nice being cooler and
having some much needed rain.

I don't preach politics any longer,
but for now just expound on the need for
our country to get our government
back up and working..

IMHO, it is a tragedy that we have
fallen so far on the world stage,
if in fact we are even on the stage
any longer.   

I think that the superior court
right now is trying to keep our laws
under control and are being less
political and more logical in the
way the way that they
are voting...  I suspect
that Roberts does not want
his court to go down in history
as being a part of the down fall
of the once great United States of
America. 

Bless him for that. 

It seems to me that Trump has
lost his mind.  And what a scarey
feeling that is.   

It is one thing disagreeing
with someones politics,  but
agreeing with many that our
Presidents mental health is
in question (not for political
reasons) but for this Presidents
in ability to govern effectively . 

Boy do I wish that we had George
Bush at the helm to complain about
because compaired to Trump, he was
a gem.

The good news is that we now
have now learned what a  having
a really bad president means.

For me it is frightening,
unbelievable and close to
terrifying to realize just
how much danger a bad
head of state can really be..

It is going to be hard for
us to make our country
respected once again on
the World Stage.   
(If not impossible)


But mostly respected from
with in for the majority of
citizens who live here and
depend on decent leadership. 

opps...  I did say a lot ...

Dig, did you get off Facebook? 
We were friends once,  I thought.
but it looks like you haven't
participated for a very long time.

Hi Everyone.. 
I hope everyone stays
Covid_Free... 

love Sandy
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: SCFSue on July 08, 2020, 11:44:15 AM
Good morning, Sandy and Every Buddy else looking in this morning.  It's a bright sunshiny day here in Auburn, Alabama.  I've had breakfast and cleaned up the kitchen and now want to get outside for my daily walk down hill and back up.  Going down is easy, but coming back up gets me puffing and panting!

We had lots of rain last night, but by the time I went to bed, the rain had stopped.  My shrubs and other flowers have grown like weeds.  I need to do some work outside and get at least my front sidewalk cleaned up.

In this morning's newspaper, there was an interesting article written by Donald Trump's niece.  She was very emphatic about her uncles disappointing and very ridiculous tweets.  I was surprised to see the article, but I'm expecting the Donald will reply with an ugly tweet!

I hope every one looking in has a nice day.
Sue
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 18, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
I am livid! I think the 3rd Reich has re-arisen. Our senile dottering President has sent armed Feds into Portland Oregon. They are kidnapping citizens and have arrested citizens in for who know what. Gas has been used on assemblers. The Oregon Governor want them OUT of his state.

Then when it comes to CV-19 the idiot has taken the gathering & reporting of info out of CDC hands and has given the job to a real estate friend of his. CORUPT.

I have emailed the WH several time with Zeig Heil!

Trump is America's HITLER

There I feel better! 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 18, 2020, 08:36:58 PM
I agree Dig.

This is very frightening news  and
we are all pretty helpless to
make him stop. 

I hope that you are happy and well
in spite of this very bad news. 

Are you still living where you
were living in Tuscon? 

Sandy
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on July 19, 2020, 08:59:32 AM
I am not into politics UK nor US... so just have this one sentence to add...Thoughts that were going through our minds here in UK, when we first heard he was standing for US president was one thing, ( a joke, he will never get in, ) then the reality ( shock horror ) that he actually got in, was another...no, HE is NOT liked by us....Personally i find him dangerous - his facial expressions says it all - high and mighty - pompous...ok now i have said it...

Now as for injecting ones self with " disinfectant " let he be the first one to do it..
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 19, 2020, 10:58:04 AM
SANDY, I am still in Tucson same house since  1981

Vanilla, I thought the same thing when I heard he was running!

I have contacted both our Senators and my area Rep. on my thought about him. I think they agree.
Nothing more that I can do except when it is time to vote.

Trump swept Arizona in the last election, this time his poll numbers are way down. So there is hope
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 19, 2020, 12:29:03 PM
Let me know if you can NOT open this:

https://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article/top?guid=20200719/e06fc89a-d258-4f2a-bedc-58665a8af0df

It is my Earthlink news and I have been told than some can NOT open it.   Thanks
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 19, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
Dig,
I could open it:

"Trump not ready to commit to election
results if he loses"

IMHO,  he is a creep.  A dangerous Creep,
And this country is in serious trouble
unless we can vote him out with a
huge majority... 

Who would have ever imagined
such  a despicable person
ending up as our President?   

A lot of Presidents I didn't like,
but I was never afraid for myself and
our Country as a whole. 

I just didn't like them.   
George W was a hero,
next to the psychopath that
is bringing our country
down now. 

Have a good week,  everyone.

Sandy   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on July 20, 2020, 08:57:48 AM
Putting a bit of a humours slant into it, think you all remember this childhood song...Nellie The Elephant...well with putting your own play on words, I am sure you can come up with something, i know i have...Anyone up for a sing-song...

" Nellie the Elephant packed his Trunk and said goodbye to the White House...off he went with a Trumpety Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump..Nellie the Elephant packed his Trunk and trundled back to his other Five Homes? off he went with a Trumpety Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump."

Or you can stick with the original...

Nellie the Elephant packed his Trunk and said goodbye to the ( media ) circus
Off he went with a Trumpety Trump,
Trump, Trump, Trump..




Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 20, 2020, 12:36:44 PM
Good One Jackie!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 21, 2020, 10:35:45 AM
Trump threaten towns and Cities with troops. Look at what they are doing in Portland:;

http://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article/top?guid=20200721/accde488-9e0d-416d-b4b5-2283963b082b

America's Hitler at work. We should be very vigilant
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on July 22, 2020, 02:14:46 AM
He ( Trumpety Trump ) is a good example of " power going to his head.." ....and on a personal note, his power of money - possessions - control, of which none of this we can take with us..
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 27, 2020, 10:54:57 AM
99 days until the election! Yea.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on July 27, 2020, 11:07:57 AM
I shall be saying an extra prayer for my US friends on that day...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 30, 2020, 10:34:43 AM
Well just read that Trump wants to delay the election! Claims mail fraud will skew things. He can't do it. Voting is set in the Constitution and only act of Congress can change the date.

http://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article/top?guid=20200730/0668367c-350d-445f-9857-268132645c28

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on July 30, 2020, 11:18:36 AM
I think that his only goal is to
scare the hell out of everyone while
becoming the most notorious and reviled
President in History.

IMHO, no good is going to come of
this Presidency unless it is to make
sure that someone like him never
becomes President,  again.

Isolated, but healthy,  so far.
Sandy
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 02, 2020, 04:05:30 PM
Media to be banned from Republican convention due to coronavirus restrictions(Trump officials say...)

In a modern first, the press will not be present when the GOP votes to renominate Donald Trump for president

"But this year the Republican party appears intent on repeating its nomination of Trump, whose dismal performance in handling the coronavirus pandemic has dragged his popularity to historic lows, with no cameras present, in subversion of the president's own instinct for spectacle and obsession with TV ratings."

https://tinyurl.com/y32dauuo
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 02, 2020, 04:07:35 PM
Donald Trump claims Dr. Fauci wrong about US surges with COVID-19.

"Fauci had explained that differentiations between surging US infections and a sharp decrease seen across Europe could be explained by the different reactions to the virus. Fauci said most European countries shut their economies down by 95%, while the US only shut down its economy by half.

Trump countered: "We have more cases because we have tested far more than any other country, 60,000,000. If we tested less, there would be less cases. How did Italy, France & Spain do? Now Europe sadly has flare ups. Most of our governors worked hard & smart. We will come back STRONG!"

But Fauci's point accurately describes the US situation. While some states followed Centers for Disease Control guidelines when they started to re-open, many did not, leading to a surge in infections in many southern and western states, Fauci explained."

https://tinyurl.com/y6xk39qg
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 02, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
Is Trump's top cop, attorney general William Barr, a danger to democracy?

William Barr was hungry. "Mr Chairman, could we take a five-minute break?" the attorney general asked Jerry Nadler of the House of Representatives' judiciary committee. "No," retorted Nadler, his hearing almost done. Barr responded sardonically: "You're a real class act."  It was pure Barr: a proud, combative, unflappable and unapologetic partisan warrior in the loyal service of the White House.

"Because of his position as the attorney general, he has control over a lot of what's acceptable and what isn't under the law up until the point where the federal judiciary can stop him. It makes him very dangerous, especially when you're dealing with a president who has no regard for the constitution or the rule of law," said Tara Setmayer, a former Republican communications director on Capitol Hill."

https://tinyurl.com/yyzh4dut
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 03, 2020, 07:56:01 PM
Now the trump is messing with our mail:

http://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article/top?guid=20200803/5c951787-aff5-433a-8a65-9d3db7a28db0

There are already complaints here in Tucson that people have NOT had mail delivery for 2-3 days.  Trump's goon  messing it up and won't appear before committee until Sept.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 15, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
well Trump is messing with our mail so Arizona Sec of State is looking into it:


https://www.kold.com/2020/08/14/arizona-secretary-state-wants-investigation-into-usps-changes-president-trump/

The bully is running scared!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 17, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
Trump admits to attempting to rig the election and destrop the USPS! From The UK  Guardian

https://tinyurl.com/y2qlwwhe

Louis DeJoy: is Trump's new post office chief trying to rig the election?

https://tinyurl.com/y2s65y7v

From CNN

"Democrats and several state leaders are pushing back on what they see as the Trump administration's attempt to throttle the US Postal Service to influence the upcoming presidential election. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is calling on the House to return to Washington, likely next weekend, for an unheard of session during presidential convention season to address the concerns. Democrats also want the new Postmaster General Louis DeJoy to testify and address charges that his controversial new policy changes are intended to deliberately slow mail-in voting. At least a half dozen states including Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia are also considering legal action against the Trump administration and the United States Postal Service to stop these changes from going into effect. At DeJoy's behest, the USPS has slowed delivery, removed high-speed letter sorters and will no longer automatically give priority to mail-in ballots."

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 17, 2020, 01:15:45 PM
Has there been anyone so brazen, his party and followers so corrupt?

CNN;

Russia Investigation 

We're learning more about the aftermath of the wide-reaching Russia investigation that concluded last spring. According to the Washington Post, Republican and Democratic leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee told the Justice Department last July they believed several people close to President Donald Trump, including his son Donald Trump Jr., son-in-law Jared Kushner and former adviser Steve Bannon, may have misled them during testimony in the investigation. It's not clear whether their suspicions led to any further inquiries, or any ongoing investigations. This news comes after Senate Committee chairmen announced this month they had adopted a fifth and final report -- yet to be released to the public -- which they compiled on Russian interference in 2016.





Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 17, 2020, 03:43:47 PM
Senate and the House have set up hearings. Law suits have been filed against Dejoy and Trump.
A hue and cry from citizens across US. This may be Trumps last gasp. He is America's Hitler and I have emailed the White House with that statement too. 

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 21, 2020, 11:22:23 AM
DeJoy is saying he didn't know about mail sorters being dismantled or Blue boxes being removed. Yea sure! Another liar.
Anyone notice how orange Trump looks. What the heck does he use?

Biden sounded wonderful for his acceptance speech.
 I love the smiles. We have haven't seen smiles in years just frowns and grimaces.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 21, 2020, 03:33:14 PM
DeJoy is a huge Republican and Trump contributor which is one reason he got his present job. He's not going to admit to anything and with the present political climate, he probably feels invincible.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 21, 2020, 05:01:44 PM
One of Trump's last gasps;

Trump: I Spoke to God About the Economy and He Trusts Me To Rebuild It  BY BETH STONEBURNER

During a small rally in Minnesota this week, Donald Trump claimed that God spoke to him about the state of our economy and how everything is going to be just fine. Strangely enough, the way God speaks sounds very similar to Trump. I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

The Christian Post summarizes his statement:

He then revealed the conversation he had with God about the economic crisis.

"You know what that is? That's right. That's God testing me," Trump explained. "He said, You know, you did it once. And I said, 'Did I do a great job, God? I'm the only one who could do it.' He said, 'That you shouldn't say. Now we're going to have you do it again.' I said, 'OK. I agree. You got me.' But I did it once. And now I'm doing it again. And you see the kind of numbers that we're putting up. They're unbelievable. Best job numbers ever. Three months, more jobs in the last three months than ever before."

Just to state the facts about the job numbers, the unemployment rate fell significantly, yes, but only because it had gotten so high since April. It's like raising the price of a gallon of milk from $2.50 to $5.00... then reducing it to $4.75 and telling everyone it's a huge deal. No it's not. Not in context.
Anyway, considering how little Trump respects religious principles, you would think people can see past his cheap attempt at pandering. Not only did Trump never speak to God, it's highly doubtful God's primary focus was the economy instead of, say, the pandemic that has killed more than 170,000 people. The families of those who lost loved ones to the coronavirus deserve a government that will actually try to help them. Instead, the people who were evicted because they couldn't pay rent are still struggling, as are many of the people who lost their jobs to COVID.

Most of all, from a Christian perspective, the health of the economy shouldn't be anyone's biggest priority. Jesus frequently spoke out against the wealthy who hoarded their possessions at the expense of the poor. Who is it, after all, that drives the economy in the first place? People. Essential workers. Unless those people are singing Trump's praises, he hasn't achieved much of anything.

https://youtu.be/RYLbDKYkHT8


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 21, 2020, 09:20:40 PM
Think about this.

Trump tweets that Democrats are requiring an ID to get into the DNC... The virtual convention? The one being held online? The one that no one's attending in person?

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on August 22, 2020, 01:28:29 AM
Diglady...quoting your " Anyone notice how orange Trump looks. What the heck does he use?
...may i suggest he uses household " bleach " dont forget he seems to have an idiotic and unhealthy passion for the use of " bleaches and disinfectants."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 22, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
I am not the only one who thinks Trump looks orange. I got an email from a gal who calls him "Mango Mussolini"   :D
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on August 22, 2020, 10:45:43 AM
Yes i will settle for that, so, " Mango Mussolini " he is then ;) ...That will give me a chuckle when i next see him on our UK tvs...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 22, 2020, 01:13:18 PM
Bannon jokes about stealing from Wall fundraiser


"Only one day after he was indicted on conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering charges, a video has surfaced showing former Trump campaign manager Steve Bannon joking with one of his alleged co-conspirators about stealing "all that money from 'We Build The Wall,'" a crowdfunding campaign that raised more than $25 million with the promise to erect a barrier on the southern border.

"Welcome back and this is Stephen K. Bannon. We're off the coast of Saint-Tropez in southern France, in the Mediterranean. We're on the million-dollar yacht of Brian Kolfage. Brian Kolfage—who took all that money from 'We Build The Wall," Bannon joked in the video, adding, "No, we're actually in Sunland Park, New Mexico."'

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/video-surfacess-bannon-joking-about-stealing-money-from-build-a-wall-1048305/

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 22, 2020, 03:27:17 PM
There is another quiz for those who wish to participate.

https://www.seniorsandfriends.org/index.php?msg=183047
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 23, 2020, 11:33:33 AM
New Trump Rule Could Create 'Bomb Trains,' Environmentalists Say
The administration has a 'wildly unsafe' plan to transport liquified natural gas on railroads, with tanks carrying enough explosive power to level a city, according to a new lawsuit

"Ships carrying LNG have been characterized as floating bombs," Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh, who's leading a coalition of states fighting the rule, said in a statement on Wednesday. "Rolling tank cars filled with LNG through our neighborhoods are vastly more dangerous. This proposal is heedless of the risks to the safety of our families and our natural resources posed by moving massive quantities of LNG by rail through our cities, towns."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bomb-trains-1046481/
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 25, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
Quite a list of present and past Republican members of Congress who support Biden:

https://www.kgun9.com/news/election-2020/jeff-flake-jim-kolbe-among-republicans-supporting-joe-biden-in-presidential-race

I watched the RNC last night. Boy the speeches were sure scary! D Trump Jr and his girlfriend were the worst-She is a shouter; he is a bully like his father. Oh Me! The only positive thing I saw was Trump talking with 6 hostages he brought home. I didn't know that.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 25, 2020, 10:57:57 AM
Did he being the hostages home or is he taking credit for someone else's diplomacy?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 26, 2020, 03:29:54 PM
USPS. Yea and good for them:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/22/washington-postal-workers-defy-usps-orders-and-reinstall-mail-sorting-machines/#2c0a690d5f80
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 26, 2020, 04:24:55 PM
I wish more would follow their lead.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: angelface555 on August 27, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
Trump Looted $44 Billion From FEMA's Disaster Relief Fund in the Middle of a Record-Setting Hurricane Season
The wisdom of that decision is called into question as Hurricane Laura heads toward Louisiana, Texas, and Mississippi

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-44-billion-fema-hurricane-laura-1047210/

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 10, 2020, 01:09:36 PM
CV-19 death toll at 190,000
How much lower would it have been had tRunp not lied to the US Citizens? A lot I think. He is an admitted killer IMO.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 10, 2020, 04:15:04 PM
Trump pick for CEO Medicare used $6 million of fed funds:

http://politics.earthlink.net/channel/politics/article?guid=20200910/88bb7947-094b-4b12-b94a-80dd5c11d85c

Another corrupt appointee.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on September 18, 2020, 05:52:20 AM
I am not into politics but just heard on our BBC UK news Joe Biden's speech condemning Trumpety Trumps handling of the C - Virus as close to criminal...all i can say is good to him ( Joe Biden ) for telling it like it is, i am impressed...yes be honest, you've got to level, shoot from the shoulder as he put it...

Thanks to his sheer idiocy, Trumpety Trump...i heard on our news a few days ago of vendors ( UK ) exposed selling bleach as a remedy for C - Virus...One claimed her sales had increased following the comment he made....
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 18, 2020, 11:35:43 AM
Trump has fomented US Citizen's distrust in:
 Newspapers
 NSPS
 Voting
 CDC
 FBI
Dept. Justice
 census
 White House
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on September 18, 2020, 08:20:04 PM
And to top it all off, 
Justice Ginsburg has just died.... 

Now I am really depressed. 

 :'(




Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 20, 2020, 11:20:18 AM
Ginsburg will be sorely missed especially by women.

CV-19 deaths approaching 200,000 Trump is without regrets. He says there would be more maybe 2-3 million had he not done what he did.

This creature has no redeeming features.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on September 20, 2020, 11:45:35 AM
Oh he can add Psychic - Clairvoyant to his CV - resume now, can he... :idiot2:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 22, 2020, 11:08:31 AM
There is no literature or poetry in this
White House. No music.
No Kennedy Center award celebrations.
There are no pets in this White House.
No loyal man's best friend. No Socks the family cat.
No kids science fairs.
No times when this president takes off his
blue suit-red tie uniform and becomes human, except when he puts on his white shirt- khaki
pants uniform and hides from Americans to
play golf.
There are no images of the first family
enjoying themselves together in a moment
of relaxation.
No Obama's on the beach in Hawaii
moments, or Bushes fishing in Kennebunkport, no Reagans on horseback, no Kennedys playing touch football on the Cape.
I was thinking the other day of the summer
when George H couldn't catch a fish
and all the grandkids made signs and
counted the fish-less days.
And somehow, even if you didn't even like GHB, you got caught up in the joy of a family that loved each other and had fun.
Where did that country go? Where did all
of the fun and joy and expressions of love and happiness go? We used to be a country that did the ice bucket challenge and raised millions for charity.
We used to have a president that calmed and
soothed the nation instead dividing it.
And a First Lady that planted a garden
instead of ripping one out.
We are rudderless and joyless.
We have lost the cultural aspects of
society that make America great.
We have lost our mojo. Our fun, our happiness.
The cheering on of others.
The shared experiences of humanity that makes it all worth it.
The challenges AND the triumphs that we shared and celebrated.
The unique can-do spirit Americans
have always been known for.
We have lost so much
In so short a time."

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on September 22, 2020, 11:28:36 AM
I am not American, never visited America but that left me feeling very emotional and tugged at my heartstrings of what once WAS in your country that ONCE you were all very PROUD of...
I hope and pray a good man, or woman gets voted in and restores your America back to the days you have fond memories of...Don't despair my American friends, it can, it will happen again...Your White House WILL come alive again with the warmth and love it so deserves, once it gets shot of its COLD....
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on September 25, 2020, 01:46:07 AM
This post is a mixture of Coroner Virus and politics...

Listening to our UK's 6.30am BBC news..

Quoting statement from The Right Honourable Rishi Sunak...

" to learn to live with Coroner Virus without fear, saying our lives can no longer be put on hold "

The Mail newspaper praising him for saying what so many have been thinking...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 28, 2020, 11:04:41 AM
Well! NY Times tells us the CIC (crook in charge) has paid $750 in taxes 2016 & 2017!
I fall into the poverty level on income and pay double that. What a crook.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on September 28, 2020, 01:00:36 PM
Well, the CIC, thanks to Dig, has already stopped lying about lying and announced those lies are for our own good. His physicians lie about his medical history and exams, and he forces out any doctor, scientist, or statesman who doesn't spin his version of self. So what can we expect about his income?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on September 28, 2020, 02:44:02 PM
Trump's 500 million in debt with loans coming due in 2021. His type of sitting president would agree to what type of payment terms on those debts if he's still in office?


https://tinyurl.com/y5felko5


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on September 29, 2020, 03:11:45 PM

Why there is no ethical reason not to vote (unless you come down with COVID-19 on Election Day)
September 29, 2020 8.31am EDT

Americans are being implored by politicians of all stripes to do their democratic duty on Nov. 3 and vote.

Current polling suggests that the majority of those eligible to cast a ballot intend to vote. But a chunk of the electorate won't – in 2016, around 100 million potential voters decided against registering their vote.

Many obstacles prevent citizens from voting, such as uncertainty about how to register or inability to get to the polls. But there is a subset of nonvoters who make a conscious choice not to vote for ethical reasons.

As a philosopher who teaches courses in ethics and political philosophy, I have investigated the ethics of not voting.

The three most common reasons I hear are: "I don't have enough information," "I don't like any of the candidates," and "I don't want to give this election legitimacy." It is worth examining why, in my view, each argument is flawed, and if, given the unique circumstances of this year's election, there is at least one ethical reason not to vote.
1. Lack of information

According to a recent study by the 100 Million Project, nonvoters are twice as likely as active voters to say they do not feel they have enough information about candidates and issues to decide how to vote. This group of nonvoters might believe that it is unethical to vote because they are uninformed. In "The Ethics of Voting," political philosopher Jason Brennan argues that uninformed citizens have an ethical obligation not to cast votes, because their uninformed votes can produce results that damage our political system.

The honesty of this group of nonvoters is praiseworthy, especially in comparison with overconfident voters who suffer from what psychologists call the "Dunning-Kruger effect" and wrongly believe that they are better informed than they are.

But an uninformed voter can fix that problem, and remove the ethical dilemma – and with minimal time and effort. Information about each candidate's platform is more accessible than ever. It can be found online, in print and through conversation. The problem today is instead how to find reliable, nonpartisan information. One of the clear benefits of mail-in voting is that it gives voters more time to fill out their ballot carefully without feeling rushed. While completing the ballot at home, they can educate themselves about each of the candidates and issues.
2. Dislike of the candidates

Another common reason for not voting is dislike of the candidates. In fact, a Pew Research study found that 25% of registered nonvoters did not vote in the 2016 election because of a "dislike of the candidates or campaign issues." Based on their dislike of both candidates, they found themselves unable to vote for either one in good conscience.

What this leaves open, however, is the question of where this "dislike" comes from. It is quite possibly the product of negative campaigning, which promotes negative attitudes toward the opposing candidate. If you already dislike one party's candidate, negative ads encourage an equally negative feeling toward the other party's candidate. This suggests that negative campaign advertising carries out a strategy to depress overall voter turnout by making voters dislike both candidates.

But dislike is not a sufficient reason for abstaining. The mistake here, I believe, is that choices are not always between a positive and negative, a good and a bad. Voters often have to choose between two good or two bad options. It's also worth noting that, in addition to the top of the ticket, there are often important state and local contests on the ballot. Finding just one candidate or policy proposal that you truly support can make the effort to vote worthwhile. State and local races are sometimes very close, so each vote really can be meaningful.

3. Contributing to a corrupt system

Two common reasons given for not voting are the attitudes that "their vote does not matter" and that "the political system is corrupt," which together account for about 20% of the nonvoting population, according to the 100 Million Project's survey of nonvoters. Voter turnout is often interpreted as a sign of public support that establishes political legitimacy. By abstaining, some nonvoters might see themselves as opting out from a corrupt system that produces illegitimate results.

This way of thinking might be justified in an authoritarian regime, for example, which occasionally holds fake elections to demonstrate popular support. In such a society, abstaining from voting might make a legitimate point about the absence of open and fair elections. But a 2019 report ranks the U.S. as the 25th most democratic country, classifying it as a "flawed democracy" but a democracy nonetheless. If democratic elections are legitimate and their results are respected, voter abstention in the U.S. has no practical impact that would distinguish it from voter apathy.

All three of the above arguments fail, in my opinion, because they measure the worth of voting primarily in terms of its results. Voting may or may not yield the outcome individuals want, but without it, there is no democratic society.
4. However ...

In the current context of the pandemic, there is one valid ethical reason for not voting, at least not in person. On Election Day, if you are diagnosed with COVID-19 or have similar symptoms or are quarantined, then you should certainly not show up to the polls. The good of your vote will be outweighed by the potential harm of exposing other voters to the virus. Of course, as individuals we cannot know now whether we will find ourselves in that position on Election Day. But as a society we can predict that a significant percentage of the population will find themselves precisely in that situation at that time.

Knowing this will happen, voters need to adopt what ethicists call "the precautionary principle." This principle says people should take steps to avoid or reduce harms to others, such as risking their life or health.

Based on the precautionary principle, an ethicist could argue that individuals ought to request absentee ballots if their state provides this option. And in turn, the precautionary principle requires that each state should make absentee or mail-in ballots available to all registered voters. We should protect ourselves and all other citizens from having to choose between their health and their voting rights.

Scott Davidson   
Professor of Philosophy, West Virginia University

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 30, 2020, 11:05:15 AM
Thank you Scott Davidson.

I watched the 'debate' last night. It was distressful and disgusting. No new information except the President told the far right extremist to stand back and stand by.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on September 30, 2020, 01:32:11 PM
Here's what the Europeans saw in the debate via Euronews;

https://tinyurl.com/y7x56njc

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on September 30, 2020, 03:09:32 PM
AP FACT CHECK: False claims swamp first Trump-Biden debate

WASHINGTON (AP) —
President Donald Trump unleashed a torrent of fabrications and fear-mongering in a belligerent debate with Joe Biden, at one point claiming the U.S. death toll would have been 10 times higher under the Democrat because he wanted open borders in the pandemic. Biden preached no such thing.

Trump barreled into the debate Tuesday night as unconstrained by the facts as at his rallies, but this time having his campaign opponent and even the Fox News moderator, Chris Wallace, calling him out in real time, or trying. Biden stumbled on the record at times as the angry words flew from both men on the Cleveland stage

In just one detour from reality, Trump asserted that the U.S. armed forces will be delivering hundreds of thousands of COVID-19 vaccine doses to the public as soon as a vaccine is available. The Pentagon says there is no such plan for national vaccine distribution by military personnel.
A look at how some of the candidates' statements from Cleveland stack up with the facts in the first of three scheduled presidential debates for the Nov. 3 election:
VACCINE DISTRIBUTION
TRUMP: "Well, we're going to deliver it right away. We have the military all set up. Logistically, they're all set up. We have our military that delivers soldiers and they can do 200,000 a day. They're going to be delivering ... it's all set up."

THE FACTS: This is not true.
The Pentagon says in a statement that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is responsible for executing the plan to distribute vaccines to the public when the time comes. The Defense Department is helping in the planning but, with perhaps some exceptions in remote areas, is not going to be delivering, as Trump claimed.
"Our best military assessment is that there is sufficient U.S. commercial transportation capacity to fully support vaccine distribution," the department's statement says. "There should be no need for a large commitment of DOD units or personnel to support the nationwide distribution of vaccines. Any DOD required support would be by exception."

VIRUS DEATH TOLL
TRUMP, addressing Biden on U.S. deaths from COVID-19: "If you were here, it wouldn't be 200,000 people, it would be 2 million people. You didn't want me to ban China, which was heavily infected. ... If we would have listened to you, the country would have been left wide open."

THE FACTS: The audacious claim that Biden as president would have seen 2 million deaths rests on a false accusation. Biden never came out against Trump's decision to restrict travel from China. Biden was slow in staking a position on the matter but when he did, he supported the restrictions. Biden never counseled leaving the country "wide open" in the face of the pandemic.


Trump repeatedly, and falsely, claims to have banned travel from China. He restricted it.
The U.S. restrictions that took effect Feb. 2 continued to allow travel to the U.S. from the Chinese territories of Hong Kong and Macao. The Associated Press reported that more than 8,000 Chinese and foreign nationals based in the two locales entered the U.S. in the first three months after the travel restrictions were imposed.
Additionally, more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure.
Dozens of countries took similar steps to control travel from hot spots before or around the same time the U.S. did.
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PROTESTS
TRUMP: "The (Portland, Oregon) sheriff just came out today and he said I support President Trump."
THE FACTS: That is false. The sheriff of Multnomah County, Oregon — where Portland is located — said he does not support Trump.
The sheriff, Mike Reese, tweeted, "As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him."
Portland has been a flashpoint in the debate over racial injustice protests in the U.S. Police and federal agents have repeatedly clashed with demonstrators gathered outside the downtown federal courthouse and police buildings. Some protesters have thrown bricks, rocks and other projectiles at officers. Police and federal agents responded by firing tear gas, rubber bullets and other non-lethal ammunition to disperse the crowds.
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BIDEN: "There was a peaceful protest in front of the White House. What did he do? He came out of his bunker, had the military do tear gas."
THE FACTS: It was law enforcement, not the military, that used chemical irritants to forcefully remove peaceful protesters from Lafayette Square outside the White House on June 1.
And there is no evidence Trump was inside a bunker in the White House as that happened. Secret Service agents had rushed Trump to a White House bunker days earlier as hundreds of protesters gathered outside the executive mansion, some of them throwing rocks and tugging at police barricades.

HEALTH CARE
TRUMP: "Drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90%."
THE FACTS: That's a promise, not a reality, and it's a big stretch.
Trump has been unable to get legislation to lower drug prices through Congress. Major regulatory actions from his administration are still in the works, and are likely to be challenged in court.
There's no plan on the horizon that would lower drug prices as dramatically as Trump claims.
Prescription drug price inflation has been low and slow during the Trump years, but it hasn't made a U-turn and sped off in the other direction. Prices have seesawed from year to year.
Looking back at the totality of Trump's term, from January 2017, when he was inaugurated, to the latest data from August 2020, drug prices went up 3.6%, according to an analysis by economist Paul Hughes-Cromwick of Altarum, a nonprofit research and consulting organization.
Hughes-Cromwick looked at figures from the government's Bureau of Labor Statistics, which measures prices for a set of prescription medicines, including generics and branded drugs.
When comparing prices in 2019 with a year earlier, there indeed was a decline. Prices dropped by 0.2% in 2019, a turnabout not seen since the 1970s. But that's nowhere near close to 80% or 90%.
From August of last year to this August, prices rose by 1.4%.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on September 30, 2020, 03:17:13 PM
JUDGES
TRUMP, criticizing Barack Obama and Biden for leaving federal judicial vacancies unfilled before they left office in January 2017: "When you leave office you don't leave any judges. You just don't do that. They left 128 openings. And if I were a member of his party ... I'd say if you left us 128 openings, you can't be a good president, you can't be a good vice president.''
THE FACTS: That's misleading. Trump does have a stronger record than Obama in picking federal judges, but it isn't due to complacency from the Obama administration. Instead, unprecedented lack of action by the Republican-controlled Senate on Obama's judicial nominees in his last two years in office left Trump more vacancies to fill.
Of the 71 people whom Obama nominated to the district courts and courts of appeals in 2015 and 2016, only 20 were voted on and confirmed, said Russell Wheeler, an expert on judicial nominees at the Brookings Institution. Trump entered office in January 2017 with more than 100 vacancies on the federal bench, about double the number Obama had in 2009.
Trump has been aided by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who has pushed through Trump's nominations of appeals court judges in particular, as well as two Supreme Court justices. McConnell has pledged to have a Senate vote on Trump's third nominee to the high court, Amy Coney Barrett, while Democrats say the seat should be filled by the winner of the election.
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VIRUS RESPONSE
TRUMP: Dr. Anthony Fauci "said very strongly, 'masks are not good.' Then he changed his mind, he said, 'masks, good.'"
THE FACTS: He is skirting crucial context. Trump is telling the story in a way that leaves out key lessons learned as the coronavirus pandemic unfolded, raising doubts about the credibility of public health advice.
Early on in the outbreak, a number of public health officials urged everyday people not to use masks, fearing a run on already short supplies of personal protective equipment needed by doctors and nurses in hospitals.
But that changed as the highly contagious nature of the coronavirus became clear, as well as the fact that it can be spread by tiny droplets breathed into the air by people who may not display any symptoms.

Fauci of the National Institutes of Health, along with Dr. Robert Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Stephen Hahn of the Food and Drug Administration and Dr. Deborah Birx of the White House coronavirus task force, all agree on the importance of wearing masks and practicing social distancing. Redfield has repeatedly said it could be as effective as a vaccine if people took that advice to heart.
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TRUMP, on coronavirus and his campaign rallies: "So far we have had no problem whatsoever. It's outside, that's a big difference according to the experts. We have tremendous crowds."
THE FACTS: That's not correct.
Trump held an indoor rally in Tulsa in late June, drawing both thousands of participants and large protests.
The Tulsa City-County Health Department director said the rally "likely contributed" to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases there. By the first week of July, Tulsa County was confirming more than 200 new daily cases, setting record highs. That's more than twice the number the week before the rally.
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TRUMP, addressing Biden: "You didn't do very well on the swine flu. H1N1. You were a disaster."
THE FACTS: Trump frequently distorts what happened in the pandemic of 2009, which killed far fewer people in the United States than the coronavirus is killing now. For starters, Biden as vice president wasn't running the federal response. And that response was faster out of the gate than when COVID-19 came to the U.S.
Then, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's flu surveillance network sounded the alarm after two children in California became the first people diagnosed with the new flu strain in this country.
About two weeks later, the Obama administration declared a public health emergency against H1N1, also known as the swine flu, and the CDC began releasing anti-flu drugs from the national stockpile to help hospitals get ready. In contrast, Trump declared a state of emergency in early March, seven weeks after the first U.S. case of COVID-19 was announced, and the country's health system struggled for months with shortages of critical supplies and testing.
More than 200,000 people have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. The CDC puts the U.S. death toll from the 2009-2010 H1N1 pandemic at about 12,500.
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ECONOMY
BIDEN: Trump will be the "first (president) in American history" to lose jobs during his presidency.
THE FACTS: No, if Trump loses reelection, he would not be the first president in U.S. history to have lost jobs. That happened under Herbert Hoover, the president who lost the 1932 election to Franklin Roosevelt as the Great Depression caused massive job losses.
Official jobs records only go back to 1939 and, in that period, no president has ended his term with fewer jobs than when he began. Trump appears to be on track to have lost jobs during his first term, which would make him the first to do so since Hoover.
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VOTING
TRUMP, on the prospect of mass fraud in the vote-by-mail process: "It's a rigged election."
THE FACTS: He is exaggerating threats. Trump's claim is part of a months-long effort to sow doubt about the integrity of the election before it's even arrived and to preemptively call into question the results.
Experts have repeatedly said there are no signs of widespread fraud in mail balloting, as have the five states that relied exclusively on that system for voting even before the coronavirus pandemic. Trump's own FBI director, Chris Wray, said at a congressional hearing just last week that the bureau has not historically seen "any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it's by mail or otherwise."
Wray did acknowledge voter fraud at the local level "from time to time," but even there, Trump appeared to paint an overly dire portrait of the reality and he misstated the facts of one particular case that received substantial attention last week following an unusual Justice Department announcement.
Trump said nine military ballots found discarded in a wastebasket in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, were all marked for him. Though that's consistent with an initial statement the Justice Department made, officials later revised it to say seven of the nine ballots had Trump's name.
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FOOTBALL
TRUMP: "I'm the one who brought back football. By the way, I brought back Big Ten football. It was me and I'm very happy to do it."
THE FACTS: Better check the tape. While Trump had called for the Big Ten conference to hold its 2020 football season, he wasn't the only one. Fans, students, athletes and college towns had also urged the conference to resume play.
When the Big Ten announced earlier this month that it reversed an earlier decision to cancel the season because of COVID-19, Trump tweeted his thanks: "It is my great honor to have helped!!!"
The conference includes several large universities in states that could prove pivotal in the election, including Pennsylvania, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio and Wisconsin.
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SUPREME COURT
BIDEN, on Supreme Court nominee Barrett: "She thinks that the Affordable Care Act is not constitutional."
THE FACTS: That's not right.
Biden is talking about Trump's pick to replace the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Barrett has been critical of the Obama-era law and the court decisions that have upheld it, but she has never said it's not constitutional. The Supreme Court will hear arguments in the case Nov. 10, and the Trump administration is asking the high court to rule the law unconstitutional.
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DELAWARE STATE
TRUMP: "You said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college. You didn't go to Delaware State. ... There's nothing smart about you, Joe."
THE FACTS: Trump is quoting Biden out of context. The former vice president, a graduate of the University of Delaware, did not say he attended Delaware State University but was making a broader point about his longstanding ties to the Black community.
Trump is referring to remarks Biden often says on the campaign, typically when speaking to Black audiences, that he "goes way back with HBCUs," or historically Black universities and colleges. Biden has spoken many times over the years at Delaware State, a public HBCU in his home state, and the school says that's where he first announced his bid for the Senate – his political start.
"I got started out of an HBCU, Delaware State — now, I don't want to hear anything negative about Delaware State," Biden told a town hall in Florence, South Carolina, in October 2019. "They're my folks."
Biden often touts his deep political ties to the Black community, occasionally saying he "grew up politically" or "got started politically" in the Black church. In front of some audiences, he's omitted the word "politically," but still with a clear context about his larger point. The statements are all part of a standard section of his stump speech noting that Delaware has "the eighth largest Black population by percentage."
A spokesman for Delaware State University, Carlos Holmes, has said  it took Biden's comments to refer to his political start. Holmes said Biden was referring to the support he received from the school when he announced his bid for the U.S. Senate on the school's campus in 1972.
Biden's broader point is to push back on the idea that he's a Johnny-come-lately with the Black community or that his political connections there are owed only to being Obama's vice president.
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CRIME
BIDEN: "The fact of the matter is violent crime went down 17%, 15%, in our administration."
THE FACTS: That's overstating it.
Overall, the number of violent crimes fell roughly 10% from 2008, the year before Biden took office as vice president, to 2016, his last full year in the office, according to data from the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting program.
But the number of violent crimes was spiking again during Obama and Biden's final two years in office, increasing by 8% from 2014 to 2016.
More people were slain across the U.S. in 2016, for example, than at any other point under the Obama administration.
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TRUMP: "If you look at what's going on in Chicago, where 53 people were shot and eight died. If you look at New York where it's going up like nobody's ever seen anything ... the numbers are going up 100, 150, 200%, crime, it's crazy what's going on."
THE FACTS: Not quite. The statistics in Chicago are true, but those numbers are only a small snapshot of crime in the city and the United States, and his strategy is highlighting how data can be easily molded to suit the moment. As for New York, Trump may have been talking about shootings. They are up in New York by about 93% so far this year, but overall crime is down about 1.5%. Murders are up 38%, but there were 327 killings compared with 236, still low compared with years past. For example, compared with a decade ago, crime is down 10%.
An FBI report released Monday for 2019 crime data found that violent crime has decreased over the past three years.
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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tomereader1 on September 30, 2020, 05:22:43 PM
The whole thing, so called "debate" was disgusting.  It was not even properly moderated.  Telling your opponent to "just shut up" was juvenile at best, and calling him a clown was just as bad.  Neither debater should be president of the U.S.   Back during the primaries, I totally enjoyed the debates, regardless of which parties' I was watching.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 01, 2020, 11:06:34 AM
After being interrupted 73 times I think he had a right to say 'shut up'!! Trump is America's Hitler and that persona was on full display. There was no "debate" as Trump decided he would control, attack, not stay on topic and lie. Should we have expected any less from him? At least Biden tried to make the talk about the American people not like the me, me, me Trump.

Trump is following the same tack as Hitler. We are about the 1932-33 years of his attack. Take over the newspapers, don't follow the Constitution, take over mail, constant lies, sending troops into towns--Don't believe me read your History.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on October 01, 2020, 11:57:05 AM
I was absolutely disgusted when Trump brought up Bidens dead son, how can anyone insult a dead person, and to his fathers face, publically, on camera to the world..that was so nasty, disrespectful and hurtful..Not someone i would want to run my country..
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on October 01, 2020, 12:28:50 PM
Trump has publicly stated that dead soldiers, MIAs, and POWs are losers, and that was his biggest insult to John McClain, a past Vietnam POW, and politician before his death. Yet, Trump has never fought in a war. He had five deferments during the Vietnamese war, one of them for bad feet.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on October 01, 2020, 01:42:21 PM
Business Insider
NATO insiders believe Trump's tax and debt problems make him vulnerable to blackmail by foreign powers

Recent revelations about President Trump's tax problems have confirmed suspicions among US allies that the president is uniquely vulnerable to influence or blackmail by foreign powers, NATO sources told Insider.
Security operatives in the US's European allies now regard Trump as a risk that makes them reluctant to share information with the US.
Trump's messy finances are exactly the kind of thing that foreign powers look for when trying to recruit assets. "Everything about his finances smells like blood and we are trained to be sharks," one source told Insider.



https://tinyurl.com/y2kzxtap
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 02, 2020, 11:19:44 AM
Trump tests positive for CV-19. He and first lady are in quarantine with mild symptoms.

He is obese, old and has high cholesterol so is at risk for the severe form!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on October 02, 2020, 12:54:11 PM
Did you read the way he subtly emphasized the staffer, Hope Hicks, on how she was always "friendly" with the military?


Also, he deducted $70,000 for hairstyling expenses!?!

"This week, we learned that U.S. President Donald Trump paid only US$750 in federal income taxes for 2016 and 2017, and no personal income taxes whatsoever in 10 of the last 15 years. But the revelation that he deducted US$70,000 for the cost of his haircuts and hairstyling for appearing on The Apprentice has some taxpayers scratching their heads wondering whether personal grooming, along with a variety of other personal expenses, can ever be legitimately tax deductible."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/trump-deducted-dollar70000-for-hairstyling-expenses-but-dont-expect-the-cra-to-let-you-do-the-same/ar-BB19DZpo?ocid=msedgntp

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on October 03, 2020, 02:14:14 PM
Melania Trump Who received citizenship as well as her parents, in less than a few months had this to say about aslum seekers in December 2018, on record
Politics
In Profane Rant, Melania Trump Takes Aim at Migrant Children and Critics

The audio recording puts the first lady's frustrations on full display just weeks before President Trump faces the voters in his bid for a second term.
The first lady, Melania Trump, complained in a recorded conversation in 2018 about having to worry about Christmas decorations.
By Michael D. Shear

    Oct. 1, 2020

WASHINGTON — The first lady, Melania Trump, delivered a profanity-laced rant about Christmas decorations at the White House and mocked the plight of migrant children who were separated from their parents at the border in 2018 during a conversation secretly taped by a former aide and close confidante.

"I'm working like a — my ass off at Christmas stuff," Mrs. Trump laments to the former aide, Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, who has just published a tell-all book, in a recording that was first broadcast on CNN on Thursday night. Mrs. Trump continued, "You know, who gives a fuck about Christmas stuff and decoration?"

Later in the conversation, which occurred in July 2018, the first lady complained about the criticism leveled at President Trump and his administration that summer for separating families in a crackdown on illegal immigration.

"I say that I'm working on Christmas planning for the Christmas, and they said, 'Oh, what about the children?' That they were separated." She used another obscenity to express her exasperation, asking Ms. Winston Wolkoff, "Where they were saying anything when Obama did that?"

The audio recording puts the first lady's frustrations on full display only weeks before Mr. Trump faces voters in his bid for a second term.

In a statement, Stephanie Grisham, the first lady's chief of staff, accused Ms. Winston Wolkoff of seeking to profit by releasing the recordings even as she tries to increase sales of her book, "Melania and Me."
   
"Her only intent was to secretly tape the first lady in order to peddle herself and her salacious book," Ms. Grisham said. "There is no way to know if these recordings have been edited, and it's clear the clips were handpicked and presented with no context. The first lady remains focused on her family and serving our country."

As first lady, Mrs. Trump has been somewhat reclusive, holding few formal dinners or parties at the White House and keeping a mostly low profile. Critics have mocked her "Be Best" program, intended to encourage children to model good behavior, saying that the president hardly abides by that credo.

Ms. Winston Wolkoff's book was published this year after a falling-out between the two women. Ms. Winston Wolkoff left the White House in early 2018 after it was revealed that her firm had received $26 million to help plan the president's inauguration.

The recordings appear to present Mrs. Trump as irritated that she does not receive the positive news coverage that she believes she deserves, in part because people say she is not speaking out enough about her husband's actions as president.

"They say I'm complicit. I'm the same like him. I support him. I don't say enough. I don't do enough," she tells Ms. Winston Wolkoff in a conversation that sounds as if she is confiding in a close friend.

The conversation took place only weeks after Mrs. Trump — who was born in Slovenia and became a United States citizen in 2006 — made headlines when she traveled to an immigrant shelter for children in Texas along the Mexican border and wore a jacket that read, in white capital letters, "I really don't care. Do U?"

At the time, the president and the first lady's spokeswoman said that the message on the jacket was aimed at reporters, not at the children she was visiting.

Asked by Ms. Winston Wolkoff why she wore the jacket, Mrs. Trump said she did it to annoy her husband's critics.

"I'm driving liberals crazy, that's for sure," she said. "And that, you know, that's — and they deserve it, you understand. And everybody's like, 'Oh, my God. This is the worst. This is the worst.' After, I mean, come on. They are crazy, OK?"

In the recordings, she complains that the news media was not willing to write a positive article about her visit and her efforts to help reunite children with their parents. She says they do not understand the limits of what she can do because reuniting them "needs to go through the process and through the law."

Of the news media, she says: "They will not do the story. We put it out. They would not do the story. You would not believe it. They would not do the story because they are not — they would not do the story because they are against us because they are liberal media. Yeah, if I go to Fox, they will do the story. I don't want to go to Fox."

The recordings also suggest that the president's view of immigration — and in particular his support for the idea of separating children at the border to deter illegal crossings — influenced the way she saw the issue as well.

In one part of the conversation, according to CNN, Mrs. Trump questioned whether the mothers and children who claimed to have been subject to violence in their home countries were really lying to Border Patrol officials.

"A lot of, like, moms and kids they are teached how to do it," Mrs. Trump said. "They go over and they say like, 'Oh, we will be killed by a gang member, we will be, you know, it's so dangerous.' So they are allowed to stay here."
She said the families, most of whom come from Central America, could have chosen to stay in Mexico.
"They are teached by other people what to say to come over and to, you know, let them go to stay here," she said. "Because they could easily stay in Mexico, but they don't want to stay in Mexico because Mexico doesn't take care of them the same as America does."
    © 2020 The New York Times Company
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 04, 2020, 12:50:16 PM
The White House continues to lie. Appears Trump condition is worse than we have been told. His 02 sat dropped 2x.

I can not feel sorry for him. He has not felt anything for this country or the 207,000 people he is responsible for killing /dying. He is a bioterrorist and getting his comeuppance IMO.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 13, 2020, 10:55:46 AM
This is a long but I think interesting read:

Subject: Donald Trump and Benito Mussolini: Striking Parallels, Twins, Fascists, Uncanny Resemblance


http://www.thehypertexts.com/Donald%20Trump%20Benito%20Mussolini%20Parallels%20Fascists.htm
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on October 19, 2020, 04:10:42 PM
Trump: Mailed ballots are a tremendous problem!
California GOP: *puts out fake collection boxes*

John Bartlet from The Critter Room, Washington State; posted on Facebook, "People are so quick to scream voter fraud when ballots are found dumped but ignore that the more likely excuse is that someone stole them out of mailboxes and dumped them. One such case in my area had regular mail included along with ballots dumped or put in other people's mailboxes. Another story had a guy caught putting feces in a ballot collection box, presumably to invalidate ballots."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 26, 2020, 09:37:06 PM
Page 27 this weeks  Time magazine:::

"On Oct 13, the White House confirmed it was embracing a strategy that involves deliberately letting the novel coronavirus rip through the population while attempting to shield the most vulnerable, such as the elderly and those with pre-existing health conditions."

This is bioterrorism
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 28, 2020, 11:21:06 PM
Please vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLcDShXeFH0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 01, 2020, 09:38:57 AM
CV-19  Corruption:

https://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article/top?guid=20201101/71a8e210-1c04-4a16-b78d-09769a701c17
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 01, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Diglady, no one cares in that carpetbagging organization, as long as their pockets are overflowing. If Trump is defeated, there will be lots of scurrying and mysterious packages being delivered elsewhere before January...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 04, 2020, 04:12:59 AM
( Praising himself up ) Trump quote: " and America is the envy of the entire world, " really...

Trump quote: " this is embarrassment to our country, " he is the embarrassment...

So he is claiming election " fraud " now,...guess he will know all about " fraud "
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 05, 2020, 11:35:19 AM
US Election 2020 from CNN

"We still don't know who will be the next US president, and the reality is setting in that it could be a bit of a wait. Former Vice President Joe Biden currently has a projected 253 Electoral College votes, and President Trump has 213, so every remaining state is effectively a critical battleground. The races are too close to call in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia, and many thousands of ballots remain to be counted in some of these areas.

The USPS says it's taking extraordinary measures to deliver ballots, mailed on time, to be counted by the end of the weekend in more than a dozen states. Meanwhile, Trump and his campaign have made several baseless attacks on the election process after it became clear Biden would take Michigan and Wisconsin, two key Rust Belt pickups that Trump won in 2016. Trump has now threatened or taken legal action in those states, as well as Pennsylvania, Nevada and Georgia.

However, some Republicans don't approve of his efforts to cast doubt on the voting process, and there's concern these moves could further damage the US' international reputation in a critical political hour."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 06, 2020, 11:58:26 AM
His idiot son Donald Jr has called for WAR. This is sedition and FBI needs to remove him from the White House.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 06, 2020, 12:42:33 PM
Diglady...
...that has been on our UK BBC news also...seems like the whole family are " trouble makers, " like father, like son..." will go to any length to hog the limelight"
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 06, 2020, 05:23:36 PM
I have to be politically and racially  biased here:  Trump and  family German TRASH --Hitler like IMO

Trump doesn't care that his rallies have killed many people with CV-19.

There is talk of many law suits (rape, theft) when he is out of office so he maybe jailed YEA!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 07, 2020, 03:22:37 AM
Trump is a control freak...Trump had " warned " his rival NOT to claim the presidency...just who does he think he is...dishing out threats..
Trump thinks because he has money he can get - buy what he wants...I think this has hit his pride, for once he and his money has not gotten him what he wants...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 07, 2020, 11:07:44 AM
He is worried about being out of office as there will be many law suits against him (rape etc!) plus he OWES so much money!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 07, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
He owes millions to foreign banks, primarily to a main German one and several come due in 2021. I think with Trump, that was going to be a concern if he won reelection. Trump has debts to multiple creditors to the tune of 1.1 billion and much of it will be reaching maturity in the next three to four years. And this is well known in Foreign countries.

This is from an editorial by RealMadrid, a Spanish paper, "Donald Trump's debts are believed to be in excess of $1.1 billion – more than double the figure he has admitted to and much of it will be reaching maturity in the next two to three years. Last month, Trump admitted to NBC that he had debts of $421 million: "The numbers that they released were all wrong and just so that you understand, when you have a lot of real estate, I have a lot of real estate – you know a lot of it ok? Right down the road - Doral, big stuff, great stuff – fortunately, I am very under-levered," he said.

 "I have a very, very small percentage of debt compared to... in fact some of it I did as favors to institutions who wanted to loan me money. Four hundred million dollars compared to the assets I have – all of these great properties all over the world. It's a tiny percentage of my net worth. No, I don't owe Russia money. I owe a very small amount of money and it's very straight". 

Trump owes to multiple creditors - banks and assets managers, and like he says, most of his debts are backed by his extensive real estate portfolio which includes office towers, golf resorts, hotels and residential properties. Forbes estimated his net worth is around $2.5 billion and he is believed to have taken out loans with at least six creditors and several of those bank loans have since been repackaged and sold on as securities on the bond market.

Trump's underperforming hotels
Then there is the $170 million mortgage with Deutsche Bank on the Trump International Hotel in Washington DC – the redeveloped Old Post Office which opened in 2016. It is not known how much of the debt is still outstanding. It is due in 2024. Another hotel, the Trump International Hotel at 1 Central Park West, New York has not been performing as well as expected and has since been flagged as a potential risk. It is not known how much of the $6.5 million refinanced mortgage has been paid off to creditors Ladder Capital.

In 2016, Trump borrowed $160 million from Ladder Capital to refinance his 40 Wall Street skyscraper in Manhattan. According to the New York Times, he still owes $138 million with the loan at 3.665% interest and due to mature in July 2025.

Another sizable debt is the mortgage owed to Deutsche Bank for his National Doral golf course in Miami since 2012. Forbes report that the debt has risen to over $125 million while the New York Times claim that the figure is closer to $148 million. The Doral suffered losses totalling $162 million between 2012 and 2018.

Trump also has many other, smaller debts of between $5 million and $25 million on residential properties in New York, Palm Beach, Florida and golf courses in Washington DC and Colts Neck New Jersey. Most are with small banks and do not mature within the next four years.

And this is well known to our friends and our enemies.

https://en.as.com/en/2020/11/06/latest_news/1604703563_436370.html

Trump has had six bankrupties, his latest filing was in 2009.   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 07, 2020, 01:09:40 PM
After reading the above and losing the Presidency, I have a strange premonition about Trump of something he has considered and might do, i shan't post what it is but the word starts with the letter " s " and ends with an " e "
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 07, 2020, 02:17:44 PM
After the largest voter turnout since 1900, Trump isn't going away quietly.

Trump and his legal team are insisting they didn't lose but the election was stolen by a  Democratic "Deep State." They've filed legal injunctions in all the states where Biden won the count altho most courts say the lawsuits are baseless. He wants those states he lost to do a recount or do-over! During a national news conference with Trump stating the election and voting was a fraud, ABC, CBS, NBC, cut away saying the president was making known false statements. CNN and Fox showed it to the end with a screen runner saying there was no basis for those allegations.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 07, 2020, 02:27:07 PM
We ( UK ) is getting the same information on our BBC news channel...I warmed to the footage of Biden and Obama hugging each other...their friendship and smiles on their faces is just priceless, just lovely to see, so genuine, and one can see that Obama was so thankful - relieved that he was the one who got voted in..His third attempt after 1988 and 2008, this time it has paid off...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 09, 2020, 07:16:00 AM
That golf course has been taking a bashing...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 10, 2020, 03:21:09 AM
What a trouble maker...can you believe Trump is now having a go at Pfizer ( accusing ) for not having the courage in making their announcement of this vaccine before the elections, he still has to interfere...This man will end up with taking his own life if he carries on this way...he will make enemy's of so many people, and as for his debts and debtors...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on November 11, 2020, 02:59:36 PM

I am so tickled that Biden and Harris won !!!

I was so afraid that they wouldn't, ]
but they have...

Joy to the World !
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 11, 2020, 03:13:59 PM
It's unfortunate that the hatred his followers have swallowed whole, and his last greedy grasp for power have taken this nation to the brink. He is still creating new lawsuits for each one failed and attempting to drive an ignorant base to arm themselves and protect his lies.

I don't understand this type of megalomania, and the consequences to this country won't end soon.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 11, 2020, 03:19:38 PM
Sandy...
... treat this as an early and very welcomed Christmas present.. ;)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 12, 2020, 10:29:38 AM
Sandy, I knew you would be pleased with the election turn out!

Can you believe that Trump was allowed near the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? I wasn't only horrified I was mad as hell! He called dead Military suckers and losers then does "honors"? Give me a break.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on November 12, 2020, 10:40:14 AM
I an relieved but still
worried that he will do something to change
the outcome to favor himself.    As usual   ::)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 12, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
While his baseless lawsuits continue, and his infantile denial of Biden's access to offices and current briefings, continue, what worries me is his base's slavish belief in his claims. They openly parade about armed with automatic weapons and talk of stepping in when the so-called Democratic armed insurrection appears. Many Republicans, including my own state's Governor, are still supporting him and denying Biden's election win. They openly speak of fighting any attempt by Biden to govern now or later.

This negativity and open lies have divided the country, and I wonder how this will affect Biden's efforts to unite the country and bring back rationality.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 13, 2020, 05:22:38 AM
Quoting: " The most secure election in American history " the verdict from Senior US election officials...How much more convincing do doubters need...No case to answer....Roll - on Bidens inauguration..
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 13, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
Many CEOs of BIG companies have met to insure Trump will not try anything drastic:

https://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article/bus?guid=20201113/e961afd0-70a9-4ec5-a856-ff9e75872cf3

He is fairly quiet these days so he must be in deep depression.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on November 13, 2020, 11:26:43 AM
Time for another round of gold maybe...

Yes depression, s***de thoughts, this is maybe the one time he has felt so out of control, he has been used to " one click of his fingers, " of everything going his way...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 13, 2020, 12:34:52 PM
Thank you Diglady for that last article, I've saved it to forward.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 15, 2020, 09:41:23 AM
I am worried. So many marching in the various towns/cities for Trump. Fight broke out in DC with some injured. Trump has turned this country into a 3rd world nation. He believes and promotes lawlessness. He should stop this but he glories in it. Awful awful man.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 15, 2020, 12:42:21 PM
What I'm worried about is Mitch McConnell and other Republicans that have publicly sworn to stop and limit as much as possible, any attempts for President-elect Biden's to access needed transitioning information and access as well as later governing. I believe that extra money in the back pocket, greed, avarice, and pomposity mark their characters more than their oaths of office or thoughts of Americans do!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 15, 2020, 01:39:19 PM
"It took President Trump 827 days to top 10,000 false and misleading claims in The Fact Checker's database, an average of 12 claims a day.

But on July 9, just 440 days later, the president crossed the 20,000 mark — an average of 23 claims a day over a 14-month period, which included the events leading up to Trump's impeachment trial, the worldwide pandemic that crashed the economy and the eruption of protests over the death of George Floyd in police custody.

The coronavirus pandemic has spawned a whole new genre of Trump's falsehoods. The category in just a few months has reached nearly 1,000 claims, more than his tax claims combined. Trump's false or misleading claims about the impeachment investigation — and the events surrounding it — contributed almost 1,200 entries to the database.

The notion that Trump would exceed 20,000 claims before he finished his term appeared ludicrous when The Fact Checker started this project during the president's first 100 days in office. In that time, Trump averaged fewer than five claims a day, which would have added up to about 7,000 claims in a four-year presidential term. But the tsunami of untruths just keeps looming larger and larger.

As of July 9, the tally in our database stands at 20,055 claims in 1,267 days.

Just as when Trump crossed the 10,000 threshold, an interview with Sean Hannity of Fox News helped Trump breach the 20,000 mark. Trump racked up 62 claims on July 9, about half of which came during the Hannity interview: Trump's statements cover a substantial range of his bogus attacks, conspiracy theories, boasts and inaccurate information:

— Former president Barack Obama "did not want" to give surplus military equipment to police. Obama scaled back the program but still allowed specialized firearms, manned and unmanned aircraft, explosives and riot gear.

— Trump has "tremendous support" in the African American community. No polling shows this.

— Trump "insisted" the National Guard be used in Minneapolis to quell disturbances and Seattle officials "knew" he was ready to act with force if the city did not shut down protests. Local officials say neither claim is true; they acted on their own.

— The United States has a "record" for coronavirus testing, and China has not tested as many people as the United States. The United States still lags several major countries in terms of tests per million people, the best metric for comparison. The United States has a higher per capita testing rate than China, but China in June said it had tested 90 million people — at the time, three times as many as the United States.

— Obama and former vice president Joe Biden "spied" on his campaign and "knew everything that was going on." Trump has made allegations of Obama spying since 2017, based on little or no evidence.

— The jury forewoman in the Roger Stone trial was "disgraceful." The judge in the case rejected claims of bias. Tomeka Hart's political leanings and activities were clearly known during the jury selection process, and not even Stone's legal team tried to strike her from the jury pool.

— Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, was placed in "solitary confinement," while Al Capone "was never in solitary confinement." Manafort was in a "private, self-contained living unit" that was larger than other units, which included a bathroom, shower, telephone and laptop access, according to court records. Capone was eventually sent to the infamous Alcatraz prison, where he was stabbed and got into fights and, according to some reports, ended up in solitary confinement as his brain deteriorated from untreated syphilis.

— "We're doing record numbers on the border." In 2020, no records have been set, and border apprehensions spiked sharply in June.

— "We've rebuilt the military, 2.5 trillion dollars." Trump frequently suggests this money is all for new equipment, but he's just adding together three years of budgets, none of which is a record.

So far during his presidency, Trump's most repeated claim — 360 times — is that the U.S. economy today is the best in history. He began making this claim in June 2018, and it quickly became one of his favorites. He's been forced to adapt for the tough economic times, and doing so has made it even more fantastic. Whereas he used to say it was the best economy in U.S. history, he now often recalls that he achieved "the best economy in the history of the world."

That's not true. The president once could brag about the state of the economy, but he ran into trouble when he made a play for the history books. By just about any important measure, the pre-coronavirus economy was not doing as well as it did under Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson or Bill Clinton — or Ulysses S. Grant. Moreover, the economy was already beginning to hit the head winds caused by Trump's trade wars, with the manufacturing sector in an apparent recession.

Trump has repeated this "best economy" claim more than 100 times just since the coronavirus emerged in China and sent the economy into a tailspin, robbing Trump of what he had expected would be his top sales pitch for reelection.

Trump's second-most repeated claim — 261 times — is that his border wall is being built. Congress balked at funding the concrete barrier he envisioned, so the project evolved into the replacement of smaller, older barriers with steel bollard fencing. (Only three miles of the barrier is on land that previously did not have a barrier.) The Washington Post has reported that the bollard fencing is easily breached, with smugglers sawing through it, despite Trump's claims that it is impossible to get past. Nevertheless, the project has diverted billions in military and counternarcotics funding to become one of the largest infrastructure projects in U.S. history, seizing private land, cutting off wildlife corridors and disrupting Native American cultural sites.

Trump has falsely said 210 times that he passed the biggest tax cut in history. Even before his tax cut was crafted, he promised it would be the biggest in U.S. history — bigger than President Ronald Reagan's in 1981. Reagan's tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product, and none of the proposals under consideration came close to that level. Yet Trump persisted in this fiction even when the tax cut was eventually crafted to be the equivalent of 0.9 percent of GDP, making it the eighth-largest tax cut in 100 years. This continues to be an all-purpose applause line at the president's rallies.

Trump's penchant for repeating false claims is demonstrated by the fact that the Fact Checker database has recorded nearly 500 instances in which he has repeated a variation of the same claim at least three times.

The Fact Checker also tracks Three- or Four-Pinocchio claims that Trump has said at least 20 times, earning him a Bottomless Pinocchio. There are now 40 entries, with the most recent addition being his false claim that he has spent $2.5 trillion on new military equipment.

The award-winning database website, created by graphics reporter Leslie Shapiro, has an extremely fast search engine that will quickly locate suspect statements the president has made. We encourage readers to explore it in detail.

Note: The Fact Checker welcomes academic research of the Trump claims database. Recent examples include work done by Columbia University, Erasmus University of Rotterdam, University College London and the University of California at Santa Barbara. You can request our data files with an explanation of your research plans by contacting us at factchecker@washpost.com.

The Fact Checker is a verified signatory to the International Fact-Checking Network code of principles"


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 19, 2020, 05:10:28 PM
Randy Rainbow and Trump got canned


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1eF-O2go4&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 20, 2020, 10:31:19 AM
Thank you  That was fun!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 26, 2020, 10:50:52 AM
In spite of the pandemic best Thanksgiving in 4 years! No Trump!! Yea

HAPPY THANKSGIVING  to all
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 28, 2020, 10:43:11 AM
I forget what state but because of the recount demanded by Trump more than 300+ were found for Biden!! Wonderful. He is now saying he will leave the White House if Biden is seated by electoral collage but he doubts that will happen as thee is more coming..
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 28, 2020, 11:27:40 AM
That would be either Alabama or possibly Georgia. Trump was not only defeated by the largest amount of votes in history; he also carried the most votes in many nominally Republican districts.

In some recounts, Biden has not only come out winning, but it was one of the closest watched and said by both Republicans and Democrats to be the safest and most comprehensive. Biden has been certified as the winner of the election.

In the thirty-seven lawsuits filed by Trump and Guliani so far, each and every suit has been dismissed out of hand for baseless allegations and NO PROOF shown.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 29, 2020, 04:26:30 PM
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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 30, 2020, 10:20:19 AM
Patricia, Thank you for the morning laugh!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on November 30, 2020, 05:40:08 PM
Frantic emails to suckers!!:::

https://youtu.be/afzDxS98nMA
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on November 30, 2020, 06:56:39 PM
It's very much like his charity that was shut down. It turned out that Trump and his immediate family were using the charity donations for personal expenses.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on December 02, 2020, 09:09:40 AM
From CNN

The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon. Newly unsealed court records show a judge reviewed a request in August from prosecutors to access documents obtained in a search as part of a bribery-for-pardon investigation. There are no names or timeline in the filing, but this presents a surprising new legal twist in the final days of President Trump's presidency.

Trump has shown he's willing to pardon or commute the sentence of allies convicted of federal charges, like Michael Flynn and Roger Stone. Other associates are allegedly making their own appeals to the President in hopes of a pardon before he leaves office, a source told CNN. The source said the list of associates broaching the subject of preemptive pardons that would seek to shield those individuals from prosecution includes Trump's legal counsel Rudy Giuliani.

 

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on December 03, 2020, 01:59:41 PM
Palmer Report
@PalmerReport
·
Dec 1
Trump operative Sidney Powell filed a lawsuit today which claims that Detroit is in Wisconsin. And Trump wonders why he lost this election by 6.5 million votes.

R Ross
@jrrosswrites
·
Dec 1
ANOTHER RED FLAG: Sidney Powell lawsuit seeking to overturn Wisconsin prez results lists
@derrickvanorden
 as plaintiff. Van Orden tells me he's not involved.

"I learned through social media today that my name was included in a lawsuit without my permission," Van Orden says.
Quote Tweet
JR Ross
@jrrosswrites
 · Dec 1
As part of the suit, @derrickvanorden is seeking a new election in the 3rd CD after losing to @RepRonKind by more than 10,000 votes in the Nov. 3  election

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on December 09, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Concern among legal experts is growing after Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones had her home raided by armed state police on Monday. Jones was fired in May after accusing Gov. Ron DeSantis' administration of minimizing the pandemic and skewing state data. Jones says she has evidence that state officials lied about early numbers and reporting. Now, state authorities are investigating whether she accessed a government messaging system without authorization to send a message urging her former colleagues to speak out about coronavirus deaths. Jones hasn't been arrested or charged with anything, and legal experts worry materials taken during the raid could affect other state employees. Others are concerned about what the raid, which was recorded, says about the actions of American police.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on December 11, 2020, 08:27:23 PM


CNN  and Rolling Stone

In the brief, the Republican members of Congress claim, without evidence, that the election "has been riddled with an unprecedented number of serious allegations of fraud and irregularities." They also ask that the court "ensure the Electoral College selects the candidate for President of the United States that was chosen by counting only lawful votes." Among the signatories are members of Republican leadership, House Minority Whip Steve Scalise, and Republican Policy Committee Chairman Gary Palmer.

In response, Democratic Rep. Bill Pascrell, Jr. has called on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to "refuse to seat any members trying to overturn the election and make Donald Trump an unelected dictator." He cites the 14th amendment, which forbids elected officials from engaging in "insurrection or rebellion" against the government.

UPDATE: The Supreme Court rejected the suit, saying in a brief order that Texas "has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another state conducts its elections."

So far, the Supreme Court has not yet decided whether it will hear the case, but history will remember those who tried to subvert our democracy. Feel free to bookmark this page so you can remind them of it every time they claim to care about freedom.

Rep. Ralph Abraham (R-La.)
Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.)
Rep. Rick W. Allen (R-Ga.)
Rep. James R. Baird (R-Ind.)
Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.)
Rep. Jack Bergman (R-Mich.)
Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Gus Bilirakis (R-Fla.)
Rep. Dan Bishop (R-N.C.)
Rep. Mike Bost (R-Ill.)
Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas)
Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.)
Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.)
Rep. Ted Budd (R-N.C.)
Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Michael C. Burgess (R-Texas)
Rep. Bradley Byrne (R-Ala.)
Rep. Ken Calvert (R-Calif.)
Rep. Earl L. "Buddy" Carter (R-La.)
Rep. Ben Cline (R-Va.)
Rep. Michael Cloud (R-Texas)
Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas)
Rep. Rick Crawford (R-Ark.)
Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas)
Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.)
Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.)
Rep. Neal P. Dunn (R-Fla.)
Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.)
Rep. Ron Estes (R-Kan.)
Rep. A. Drew Ferguson, IV (R-Ga.)
Rep. Chuck Fleischmann (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Bill Flores (R-Texas)
Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb.)
Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.)
Rep. Russ Fulcher (R-Idaho)
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.)
Rep. Greg Gianforte (R-Mont.)
Rep. Bob Gibbs (R-Ohio)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
Rep. Lance Gooden (R-Texas)
Rep. Sam Graves (R-Mo.)
Rep. Mark Green (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Michael Guest (R-Miss.)
Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.)
Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-Mo.)
Rep. Kevin Hern (R-Okla.)
Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.)
Rep. Trey Hollingsworth (R-Ind.)
Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.)
Rep. Bill Huizenga (R-Mich.)
Rep. Bill Johnson (R-Ohio)
Rep. Mike Johnson (R-La.)
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio)
Rep. John Joyce (R-Pa.)
Rep. Fred Keller (R-Pa.)
Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.)
Rep. Trent Kelly (R-Miss.)
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)
Rep. David Kustoff (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Darin LaHood (R-Ill.)
Rep. Doug LaMalfa (R-Calif.)
Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.)
Rep. Robert E. Latta (R-Ohio)
Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-Mo.)
Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-Texas)
Rep. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.)
Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.)
Rep. Cathy McMorris Rogers (R-Wash.)
Rep. Dan Meuser (R-Pa.)
Rep. Carol D. Miller (R-W.V.)
Rep. John Moolenaar (R-Mich.)
Rep. Alex X. Mooney (R-W.V.)
Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-Okla.)
Rep. Gregory Murphy (R-N.C.)
Rep. Dan Newhouse (R-Wash.)
Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.)
Rep. Gary Palmer (R-Ala.)
Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.)
Rep. Guy Reschenthaler (R-Pa.)
Rep. Tom Rice (R-S.C.)
Rep. John Rose (R-Tenn.)
Rep. David Rouzer (R-N.C.)
Rep. John Rutherford (R-Fla.)
Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.)
Rep. Austin Scott (R-Ga.)
Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho)
Rep. Adrian Smith (R-Neb.)
Rep. Jason Smith (R-Mo.)
Rep. Ross Spano (R-Fla.)
Rep. Pete Stauber (R-Minn.)
Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Glenn "GT" Thompson (R-Pa.)
Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-Wisc.)
Rep. William Timmons (R-S.C.)
Rep. Ann Wagner (R-Mo.)
Rep. Tim Walberg (R-Mich.)
Rep. Jackie Walorski (R-Ind.)
Rep. Michael Waltz (R-Fla.)
Rep. Randy Weber (R-Texas)
Rep. Daniel Webster (R-Fla.)
Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio)
Rep. Bruce Westerman (R-Ark.)
Rep. Roger Williams (R-Texas)
Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.)
Rep. Rob Wittman (R-Va.)
Rep. Ron Wright (R-Texas)
Rep. Ted S. Yoho (R-Fla.)
Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.)
Rep. Jodey Arrington (R-Texas)
Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas)
Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.)
Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-Va.)
Rep. Jim Hagedorn (R-Minn.)
Rep. Jody Hice (R-Ga.)
Rep. Billy Long (R-Mo.)
Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.)
Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-Miss.)
Rep. Greg Pence (R-Ind.)
Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.)
Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Ala.)
Rep. W. Gregory Steube (R-N.J.)
Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R-N.J.)
Rep. Mark Walker (R-N.C.)
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on December 12, 2020, 04:55:16 PM
I'm embarrassed to admit that my governor made our state join the other republican governors in that stupid suit to overturn the pro-Biden state counts just in time for the Supreme court to throw the whole suit out for no legal cognizance! Our governor, who is fighting a recall count, is one of THOSE pro-Trumpers!

Now, this; In an unsigned order, the court rejected the case brought by Texas "for lack of standing." The court wrote: "Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections."

This is the second suit contesting the presidential election results that the Supreme Court has refused to hear. Earlier this week, the judges rejected an appeal from Pennsylvania Republicans to reverse Biden's victory there.

Notably, the only dissenters in the Texas case were Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas. None of the justices appointed by Trump — Amy Comey Barrett, Brett Kavanaugh, and Neil Gorsuch — dissented in either case.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton brought the suit against the four states. Paxton argued that the states modified their election procedures to make it easier for citizens to vote during the Covid-19 pandemic by expanding early, absentee, and mail-in voting. According to Paxton, this made the election ripe for voter fraud. But, of course, no one has yet produced any evidence of such fraud.
Eighteen state attorneys general filed a brief in support of the suit, as did more than 100 House Republicans. Even Trump himself filed a motion to intervene in the case on Thursday, meaning he wanted to join the suit because his "rights are affected" by the outcome.

Now Repubs and their followers are calling for secession just like the past civil war. Only with far more dangerous consequences in this current world.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 15, 2020, 10:34:53 AM
Electoral Collage has spoken: Biden will be the next President
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on December 15, 2020, 02:25:41 PM
From actor Hugh Grant on where he draws inspiration for his roles;

"I'm pretty good on narcissists, because there's plenty in my business," he quipped. "I've also spent a good deal of the last decade surprisingly close to politicians, and they rival anyone I know in show business for narcissism. I'm a great believer in whoever said, 'Politics is show business for the ugly.' That is absolutely true, [there is] extraordinary egomania going on there."

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 31, 2020, 10:02:40 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR

I look forward to a Biden Presidency and end to the 4 years of a lying slob we have had as president.

Here is hoping politics can return to normal if there is such a thing any more! 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on December 31, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
Peace !
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on December 31, 2020, 11:56:47 AM
Hi dig!

Hopefully you are 100 % correct.... 
but unfortunately,  I think that it is going
to be a hard row to hoe .

I hope that you are happy and well ! 

Happy New Year to Everyone.
Sandy
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on December 31, 2020, 12:27:11 PM
I agree! I've been so ashamed and still am of those in his party and his pocket! 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 01, 2021, 10:22:18 AM
Sandy, Your grand baby is beautiful!

2020 is gone. I saw it leave!

So here we have a new year 20212 and with it peace and joy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on January 03, 2021, 10:51:42 AM
New quiz today for all those looking for something to do in this topsy-turvy time.

https://www.seniorsandfriends.org/index.php?msg=190312

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 03, 2021, 11:07:12 AM
Mango Mussolini has called for a rally on 6 Jan in WDC in support of his claim that the election was stolen. 6 Jan is when the electoral votes are counted by Pence. Articles are saying many groups are saying they will participate -and with guns. This may get real messy.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on January 03, 2021, 11:15:51 AM
Even the conservative packed courts are saying this is illegal. I have no words.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on January 08, 2021, 02:20:09 PM


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/trump-sedition-treason-arrest-prosecution-lock-him-up-1111338/


"In the wake of Obama's re-election in 2012, Republican leaders began reassessing their situation and proposed a redirection, in which they would mute the hard-right posturing — but what had become the core of the Republican electorate, frustrated by decades of empty promises about uprooting godless liberalism, was in no mood for the new-found responsibility of politicians they came to regard as Republican in Name Only (RINO). Enter Trump, who not only commandeered the inflamed base but enlarged it to include men and women unreachable by pollsters, angry minds who had given up on politics completely.

With the connivance of supplicating Republicans caught off-guard by his ascendancy, pre-eminently Cruz and Lindsey Graham, Trump then molded a truly dangerous force, one that beheld Trump not simply as their president but as their George Washington (or maybe their Jefferson Davis), the father of their country. Unable to bully his way out of his defeat in November, a desperate Trump had nothing left to do but to unleash that force on the Capitol."


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on January 08, 2021, 02:57:01 PM
Good afternoon Everyone !

WOW  WOW  WOW!

The news is breath taking ... 

Too much to even discuss as I
know that we all must be
flummoxed the horrors going on
in our Capital .

I get chills and sick to my
stomach watching it over and over
again.   

Thanks DiG..  My Great Grand Daughter
Fe, is a joy and is going to be 5 in April... 
Growing up so fast.

Here is hopng that everyone is staying
safe and avoiding any contact with Covid ..

What a mess ...

Sandy 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 13, 2021, 10:02:59 AM
I continue to be horrified at the news coming out of WDC. The attack on the Capitol was worse then we first thought. Today the House votes on Impeachment of the monster Trump. Pence refused to invoke the 25th Amendment to oust him out NOW. How our Democracy can survive all this is surely being put to the test.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 13, 2021, 12:05:57 PM
Just read: Deutch  (sp?) Bank dumps Trump and goes for his loans $380 million along with them-Mar-a-Lago and Trump Towers. Go get um!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on January 13, 2021, 01:07:21 PM
An Oregon lawmaker during a Trump supporter riot at the Oregon Capitol opened locked doors and let rioters in, including some who had been at the US Capitol. He's lost privileges so far, been denied access without 24 hours notice, and been billed for all damages so far. Amid calls for resignation, more charges will be filed. His big excuse is that nothing should be kept from the people...
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 16, 2021, 10:05:31 AM
Reports of What the rioters did at the WDC Capitol is more horrifying every day. I am so sad that this is happening in our America. Trump has made us a 3rd world country to be sure. I am relieved he is to be gone-leaves the morning of the 20th but want all the trappings of a FOND farewell-red carpet band  etc. What a crazy!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on January 16, 2021, 11:30:30 AM
I wonder how much of White House property will leave with them stuffed into those bags and boxes?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 19, 2021, 10:28:04 AM
19th! Our National nightmare almost over.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 19, 2021, 02:33:52 PM
I wonder if this strong statement from Mich McConnell insures Trump gets the guilty indictment from the Senate. I hope so!!.

 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-says-trump-provoked-capitol-attack-with-lies-as-senate-preps-for-impeachment-trial/ar-BB1cTzmB?ocid=msedgdhp
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Vanilla-Jackie on January 20, 2021, 12:05:47 PM
To my American " friends "...I feel so happy for you, for America...out with the old, in with the new...

Jackie ( watching the live BBC inauguration 3.30 - 6.pm from UK....inaugurated 5.pm )
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on January 22, 2021, 10:36:38 AM
The relief I feel is great. Newscasters seem to smile more; No angry tweets on my news page; and no DJT anywhere to be seen!!  Yea!!! :2funny:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on January 22, 2021, 12:42:57 PM
I am so over it that if I see a photo of any one of the Trumps, I get frustrated they're even spending print on them.

The far-right is already at it with Fox news saying President Biden was "erasing women" when he recognized that LGBTQ women have rights too. They also stated that it wasn't surprising about "the Dems at the Capitol dressed as Trump supporters." That a so-called public television show spouting such dangerous lies when so many ignorant people watch is really dangerous. I understand furtive groups on fringe public media, but on a television show without being censored or rebuked somehow?

The few insurrectionists are all upset that they're even being arrested, even with most charged with misdemeanors. I also learned that the woman Trump supporter died from her injuries after being trampled. So far, the Capitol death toll is two suicides, one insurrectionist, one cop; the woman shot and the one trampled along with the cop who died of his injuries after being beaten with a fire extinguisher besides being kicked and hit. Those, in my opinion, should be all murder or manslaughter charges along with treason to all charged rioters.

Also, in my opinion, one way to stop most of this is better education, more vocational education offered, with better teacher pay and opportunities. Strong penalties regarding drug companies and pharmacists concerning drugs for profit and penalties for consumer lack of protection and price gouging. Stronger enforced laws, fewer lobbyists, more police training, and less protection offered to rogue cops by their unions.

More in-depth job opportunities created, better infrastructure, and strong education about and enforced laws concerning minorities, religions, and the disabled. Basically, our entire education and medical systems need to be revamped. These past four years are a strong reminder of why this needs to change, it shouldn't be rocket science.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Astro on January 22, 2021, 01:03:38 PM
Trumpers have consumed way too much of the Koolaid over the last four years.  They have made a mockery of the Republican party and will now have to stew in their own juice.  I look for no across the aisle gestures from them.  Leopards don't change their spots.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on January 22, 2021, 01:28:41 PM
UnfortunatIy, I agree. Here is the latest from Twitter;

"Over the course of former President Donald Trump's tenure in the White House, CNN fact checker Daniel Dale rose to prominence for his efficient fact checking of the thousands of lies broadcast from the White House and Trump's Twitter account.

In the weeks before Trump's departure from the White House, Dale announced that he'd be applying his skills to broader right-wing disinformation in addition to fact-checking President Joe Biden. He acknowledged that the former President's constant barrage of lies required full-time devotion that wouldn't be required under Biden.

Dale has begun this work already with Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), who ascended to Congress despite her support of the QAnon conspiracy theory, which hinges on the delusion that a hidden network of satanic cannibal pedophiles secretly controls the United States government.

Greene, who introduced articles of impeachment against Biden on his first full day in office, picked up where Trump—now banned from Twitter—left off in broadcasting right wing lies from the social media outlet.

She continues to peddle the delusion that widespread voter fraud stole the election from Trump, in addition to bogus claims about the First Amendment and Democrats' prior condemnations of violence in response to unrest last summer.

Dale packaged the 11 biggest lies Greene told on Twitter in an article on Thursday for CNN.

I sent Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's office a list of my fact check findings and invited her to comment on any of t... https://t.co/RASp5VOMgn
— Daniel Dale (@Daniel Dale)1611269423.0
Dale mentioned he'd invited Greene to comment on the piece, but was met with a response from her communications director:

"CNN is fake news."
Trump himself popularized the "fake news" phrase over the course of his 2016 campaign, encouraging his followers to reject all reporting from the mainstream media. Republicans like Greene quickly followed suit.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on January 22, 2021, 01:47:54 PM
Some good news about a politician for once;

"Bernie Sanders' campaign has turned the viral photo of him bundled up at Joe Biden's inauguration into a new sweatshirt, with all proceeds going to charity.

The "Chairman Sanders Crewneck" — named to honor Sanders' assumption of the powerful Senate Budget Committee chair now that Democrats control the chamber — is on sale now for $45, with 100 percent of the proceeds going to Meals on Wheels Vermont. The absurd popularity of the meme, however, seems to have already caused a glut in orders, with a note on the site cautioning, "Due to overwhelming demand for this item, it may be a few weeks until you receive your sweatshirt."

The photo of Sanders at the inauguration, taken by Brendan Smialowski for Getty Images, was probably the most unexpectedly memorable image to come out of Biden's inauguration. The photo captured Sanders at his normcore best: crossed legs, crossed arms, big fuzzy mittens over his hands, face mask properly covering nose, mouth and chin, yet also just slightly askew. Capping it all off, Sanders' gray jacket was clearly the same one he was wearing in the "I am once again asking... " meme that emerged during his 2020 presidential bid (if anything, it's just proof that a person truly only needs one good coat)."



BernieShirt.jpg
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Amy on January 22, 2021, 02:16:01 PM
The story behind the mittens..

https://tinyurl.com/yyom2kvw

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Marilyne on January 22, 2021, 04:05:28 PM
Sorry I posted twice.  I have no idea how to delete a photo!   Anyway, this is Dolly Parton, from the old movie, "Steel Magnolia's"
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on January 22, 2021, 09:21:36 PM
That is a funny picture of Bernie...

I think that Bill Clinton looks old and he sounds old. 
I wonder if he is ill ...  because he hasn't looked
well for a very long time.   

This time when he spoke he sounded
very weak and poor Jimmy Carter wasn't able
to make it ...  What a pistol he is !!! 

Sandy   

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on January 29, 2021, 08:42:30 PM



What are Some Examples of Socalism in the United States?

The US has a ton of Socialist Policies for one

1  .the US has a very well Funded Militray that is controlled by the Government.

2.  America has Universal Free Education for anyone from K-12 (No Charge) Public Schools are Tax Paid Free for any Americans.

3.  Transportation and Infastructure are funded and controlled by the State and Upgrading Infrastructure is well funded by the State and the Government.

4.  The US has A Single-Payer Healthcare System for America Seniors called Medicare which is is very Cheap and Affordable in most states for most Elderly Americans to have Medical Free in Some States it's Totally Free.

5.  And America has a Healthcare Plan for the Poor called Medicaid although it's complicated for one Medicaid doesn't really give actual poor people the Healthcare it depends on what income even for some reason some poor people can't apply for Medicaid because there a bit more Richer than what you need to Apply but nevertheless Medicaid gives Free or very Low Cost Affordable Healthcare for the Poor here in America it's not Universao because it's dosnet cover very poor American unlink Medicare which coverage every Senior American.

6.  And Finally Obamacare:Obamacare was passed during the Obama Years and it frantically changed America Healthcare system it dramatically reduced the Uninsured Population in America to which as of now 122 million Americans are now under Insured under Obamacare in which it gave more elderly and Poor Americans enrolled in Medicare and Medicaid although it Failed to reduce America astronomical Helathacre Cost for the Remaining Uninsured population in the US it did help Many Americans With Healthcare

7.  the US has a Federal Reserve Bank for the American Government to use it for many Policies.

8.  Social Security:America is a Great Country for Social Security it encompasses social Welfare and social Insurance Programs for Americans.

9.  America has a Public Funded Police System.

10.  Public Parks in America are Public and are Green Spaces and Recreation Space for all .

11  .Libraries in the US are Publiclay Funded by the State

12.  Public Transportation and Amtrak in America is both funded by the government and the State

13.Foster kids:If your adopting a foster child the Governemnt pays you a hefty amount of money that is for you to spend On your foster child only.

14.  Farm Subsidies.

15.  UNDOCUMENTED immigrants in America receive Free Medical Care with (No Charge)

16.  Public Hospitals.

17  .Public Jails.

18  .Public Parking Places.

19.  Social Welfare

20  .Public Universities some are tuition Free.

21  .Veterans Affairs Administration.

22.  Government controlled Post Office and Mail in Ballots

23.  Public Fire departments

24  .Government Pensions



I thought this to be interesting .

Sounds like a socialist Republic to me ...
Most everything listed has been this way for
a very long time .


I hope that the people in our government who
are threatening to kill their fellow workers
will be thrown out ...   

But I doubt that will happen in time
to prevent some one from getting hurt.   

What a damn mess we are in .. I feel so sorry
for all people in the Congress who are fearing
for their lives right now. 

This is so wrong. 

Sorry about me rambling .

Sandy

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on February 04, 2021, 02:05:32 PM
From CNN today,

"The Justice Department has now brought more than 180 federal criminal cases against rioters and others connected to the US Capitol siege. Prosecutors are digging into some of the histories of those involved, uncovering at least one case of stolen valor (when someone lies about military service or awards) and a New Mexico county official who said he wanted to return for President Biden's inauguration with guns in his car. Newly minted Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas says the type of domestic terrorism seen at the Capitol is "one of the greatest threats" to the US right now, echoing the findings of a 2020 Homeland Security report. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has ordered a staggered pause of operations across the entire US military over the next 60 days so commanders can review the handling of extremism among their ranks."

Now if they would do the same with all the different police forces and private prison guards.

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on February 06, 2021, 01:36:29 PM
Re Twitter;

Over the course of the 2020 campaign, then-President Donald Trump held crowded rallies packed with thousands of his supporters in his effort to secure a second term. He also spent months parroting baseless and outright false claims about the devastating pandemic, frequently contradicting his own officials in the process.

A study published late last year found that Trump's reelection campaign rallies contributed to at least 30 thousand cases of the highly contagious virus, while Trump mocked now-President Joe Biden for holding smaller gatherings that complied with CDC guidelines against them.

Just over two weeks into his tenure, Biden will fly on Air Force One for the first time as President on Friday, returning to his home state of Delaware for the weekend.

Despite its own spread of disinformation surrounding the pandemic, Fox News reported that Biden—who has been vaccinated and is flying on a private government plane—was flouting CDC guidelines.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on February 06, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
Also via Twitter;

"Even with former President Donald Trump two weeks out of office, Congressman Matt Gaetz (R-FL) remains one of his most vocal defenders in the House of Representatives.

After the 2020 presidential election saw then-President-elect Joe Biden secure a victory, Gaetz amplified the same lies that Trump spewed, falsely arguing that Democrats stole the election by somehow orchestrating widespread fraud.

Trump earned his second impeachment after these lies led a mob of pro-Trump extremists to storm the United States Capitol in a deadly failed insurrection. Just hours after this deadly riot, Gaetz—with other Republican members of Congress—continued his effort to toss out certified electoral votes of swing states Trump lost.

The former President's impeachment trial is set to begin in the Senate next week, and Gaetz has offered to represent Trump on his defense team—even offering to resign from his congressional seat to do so.

Gaetz made the comments in an interview with former Trump advisor and avowed white nationalist Steve Bannon.

When asked by Bannon if he would step down to represent Trump, Gaetz replied:

"I love my district. I love representing them. But I view this cancellation of the Trump presidency and the Trump movement as one of the major risks to my people, both in my district and all throughout this great country. Absolutely. If the President called me and wanted me to go defend him on the floor of the Senate, that would be the top priority in my life."
He went on to gush that Trump was the greatest President of his lifetime and potentially the greatest President the country has ever seen, and that Gaetz would do anything to make sure he got a "full-throated defense."

Even Gaetz critics weren't opposed to the idea—but not for the reasons he pitched it.

"For once, Matt Gaetz has had a great idea!

He want's to be a pundit more than a legislator anyway."
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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 07, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
I guess we have to remember Hitler had backers too!

Impeachment trial starts tomorrow. I doubt if there are enough Republicans who are sane enough to vote guilty or who can change their vote when they hear the testimony.

This monster belongs in jail. He is responsible for 450,000 deaths in my mind.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on February 07, 2021, 11:30:55 AM
I'm not so sure about the sanity part. Besides Trump, this is also Marjorie Taylor Greene, conspiracies and an insurrectionists' party as Lincoln's party has been snuffed out.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 10, 2021, 10:57:20 AM
Upsetting: Some idiot wants to name a road northern Arizona for Trump!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on February 10, 2021, 12:39:07 PM

How about naming the
road to the DUMP....

"Dump Trump"   (Perdition Way)

lol

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on February 10, 2021, 01:17:01 PM
;D  We could start a petition!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on February 27, 2021, 11:00:26 PM
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Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on February 27, 2021, 11:19:50 PM
I have to admit,  I rarely turn on
the news now...  I feel so much better about our
government as it is becoming under Joe Biden. 
Bless his heart. 

he can't please everyone but IMHO,
he is truly a good man,  who will do
his very best to bring some order back
to our government. 

The battle is not over.    It is going to
take a long long time to improve enough  so
that we can have a working two party
system  which our republic needs. 

But I am hopeful that we are on
our way ..

Have a good week Everyone.. 
Pray for peace. (If praying suits you) 

Sandy
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on February 28, 2021, 10:25:28 AM
Have a look at this:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-cpac-stage-design-is-literally-a-nazi-symbol-because-republicans-are-not-even-trying-to-hide-it-anymore/ar-BB1e4RxZ?ocid=msedgdhp

Republican party is scary.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on February 28, 2021, 11:26:30 AM
The Republican party has kicked out the moderates and become the conspiracy party with pockets to let.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on March 05, 2021, 07:01:01 PM
We need a laugh now and then so:

I met a Magical Irish ☘️ Fairy yesterday who said she would grant me one wish.

 "I wish to live forever," I said.

 "Sorry," said the Fairy, "That is the only wish that I'm not allowed to grant."

  "Fine," I said, I want to die the day after Congress is filled with honest, hard-working, bipartisan men and women who act only in the people's best interests!"

 "You crafty little bastard," replied the Fairy.

 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on March 07, 2021, 01:32:09 PM
FBI Uncovers Contact Between Trump White House and Proud Boys Before Capitol Attack.

The bureau is also looking into members of Congress who communicated with rioters

Federal law enforcement officials have uncovered contact between the Trump White House and a member of the far-right extremist organization, the Proud Boys, just days before the January 6 attack on the Capitol.

According to a New York Times source, the FBI obtained "location, cellular and call record data revealed a call tying a Proud Boys member to the Trump White House."

Earlier this week, CNN reported that law enforcement officials are looking at communications data to determine "whether lawmakers wittingly or unwittingly helped the insurrectionists." And so far they've found "indications of contact" between "alleged rioters discussing their associations with members of Congress."

On Thursday, a former Trump State Department aide, Federico Klein was arrested for taking part in the attack of the Capitol.

Klein, the first known Trump official to be arrested for crimes related to the insurrection, was charged with several felonies and was allegedly spotted in a video recording assaulting an officer with a riot shield. According to the Washington Post, the FBI said Klein "had a top-secret security clearance that was renewed in 2019" and "was still employed at the State Department as a staff assistant on Jan. 6."

The FBI said that Klein, while wearing a Make America Great Again red hat, could be seen and heard on police bodycam video shouting directions during the insurrection.

"We need fresh people, we need fresh people," Klein said as he and others in the mob assaulted police. According to Politico, although prosecutors asked for Klein to held until trial, the judge set a bail hearing for Tuesday.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fbi-trump-white-house-proud-boys-capitol-attack-1137922/

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on March 17, 2021, 12:09:24 PM
From CNN;

"2020 election

A US intelligence report has determined that Russia attempted to interfere in the 2020 election to help Donald Trump and hurt Joe Biden. The report also describes a smaller, covert influence campaign by Iran. One of the biggest bombshells of the report confirms what we had assumed last year: Trump and his closest allies publicly embraced Russia's disinformation campaign against Biden, met with Kremlin-linked figures who were part of the effort and promoted their conspiracy theories. CNN's Stephen Collinson writes that the finding underscores a fundamental truth: "The gravest threat to US democracy comes from within."'

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 12, 2021, 10:23:48 AM
So much has gone on since we last posted here.

Today the Republican  Senators ousted Liz Cheney 3rd ranking member from her post.  They support the BIG LIE. Good bye Republicans-- They seek to endorse Stefanik who backs tRump to the hilt
.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on May 12, 2021, 11:08:43 AM
The Republicans have lost all credibility. Survey after survey has shown that their constituents are not in favor of conspiracies and fraud, and yet that's what that party's selling. Trump had a verifiable 38% approval rating. On the other hand, Biden has a 53% approval rating, and over 60% agreed with his policies.

Rudy Giuliani and his son are now being federally investigated for attempts to get the Ukraine government to give false information on Hunter Biden in return for  US governmental favors and other promises.

He is just one of several former Trump officials being investigated.

https://www.politico.com/news/rudy-giuliani

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on May 12, 2021, 12:02:11 PM
How America's partisan divide over pandemic responses played out in the states

"Looking at states' COVID-19 case and death rates, researchers are finding the more stringent policies typical of Democratic governors led to lower rates of infections and deaths, compared to the the pandemic responses of the average Republican governor. In preparation for future pandemics, it may be worth considering how to address the impact that a state government's partisan leanings can have on the scope and severity of a public health crises."

tinyurl.com/33xhydww

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on July 21, 2021, 10:40:57 AM
Amazing. The republican states' inhabitants are still refusing the Vaccine and they are the ones now getting CV-19 and because it is the newer version it is stronger and more deadly. So Trump is killing off his own backers/ voters by not calling for them to get the vaccine!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on July 21, 2021, 11:03:59 AM
Oh, but wait, senator Rand Paul and some other Republicans are saying Dr. Fauci is lying about the virus, never mind that he's had over thirty years of experience. Or all the deaths here and worldwide. And Marjorie Taylor Greene, not to be outdone, recently stated that the virus is only bad for those over 65 or obese!?!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: RAMMEL on July 21, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
Some of my neighbors ars not getting their shots - and Dem's at that  :2funny:
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on July 22, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
"US is split between the vaccinated and unvaccinated – and deaths and hospitalizations reflect this divide
Rodney E. Rohde, Texas State University; Ryan McNamara, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

The US has split into "two Americas," one of the unvaccinated and one of the vaccinated. The differences in deaths and hospitalizations between the two populations are striking."
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 14, 2021, 10:36:09 AM
Republican Governors continue to kill their inhabitants with their NO mask mandates.  Main ones: Texas and Florida. CV-19 cases and deaths appalling.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on August 14, 2021, 10:48:50 AM
No, they're blaming it on illegals...


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-covid-cases-in-us-soar-700-week-over-week-since-july-1-cdc-says/ar-AANihzE?ocid=UCPNC1&bncnt=BroadcastNews_TopStories&pc=U531

Since July 1, there's been a 700% increase in the week-over-week average of COVID-19 infections in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


The information was presented Friday at CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices meeting during a discussion of COVID-19 vaccine booster shots for immunocompromised patients.

"There's no doubt we're seeing a surge in cases now," said Dr. William Moss, a professor of epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.


The United States was at a low point in new cases in late June, with an average of about 10,000 a day. Today the average is closer to 125,000 a day, he said

"That's when people in this country became really optimistic. The combination of the delta variant, susceptibility due to relatively low vaccination coverage, some relaxing of our public health measures, these all came together and we're seeing this wave," Moss said.

The delta variant is nearly twice as contagious as previous variants and there is some evidence of increased illness severity compared with previous strains in unvaccinated people, CDC epidemiologist Heather Scobie said at Friday's meeting.

Full vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can spread the virus to others but appear to be infectious for a shorter period of time than unvaccinated people infected with the variant, she said.

In the first 12 days of August, the United States reported more coronavirus cases than it did in all of July, according a USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins University data.

That's 1.33 million cases. At this month's average rate, the country would report some 3.4 million cases, making it the fourth-worst month of the entire pandemic.

"There's bad news and there's less bad news," is how Andrew Noymer, a professor of population health at the University of California, Irvine, put it.

Because older people, who are at higher risk for severe disease and death, are now highly vaccinated, "100,000 cases today is less dire than 100,000 in December of 2020," he said.

That means cases are more concentrated in younger people, who are less likely to be vaccinated. Younger people are less likely to become severely ill "but this isn't a nothing burger," Noymer said. Hospitalizations are still high.

He looked up the numbers in his county a year ago and there were 722 people hospitalized for COVID-19. This week there are 497 hospitalizations in Orange County.

"We have a vaccine that works wonderfully now," he said, "so our peak shouldn't be five-sevenths as big as the previous summer." 

The U.S. numbers parallel what was seen in the United Kingdom and in Israel when the extremely transmissible delta variant hit those nations, said Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease expert at the University of California, San Francisco.

"The only small comfort is that in areas of higher vaccination in our country, hospitalizations are not following the trend of cases to the same degree as in prior surges without vaccination," she said.

Immunity moving forward
CDC staff also presented data giving insight into the evolving pandemic. The available data shows the persistence of protective antibodies eight months after an infection and six months after the second shot of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines and eight months after a single Johnson & Johnson shot.

That's not because natural infection is more protective but simply because vaccinations only began in December so there is very little data.

It appears vaccine effectiveness against infection with COVID-19 does wane over time, but how much and in whom isn't yet entirely clear.

Even so, protection against severe illness remains very high. For Pfizer, it is 97% and for Moderna it's 93%, CDC said.

There is some data emerging from Israel of more breakthrough infections among people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine in January and February than in recent months.

There was a more than two-fold increased risk for breakthrough infections between people vaccinated in January versus those vaccinated in April, Israeli data showed.

The older the person, the more chance they would have an infection.

Scobie emphasized an infection is different from becoming severely ill or dying.

As of Aug. 2, among more than 164 million fully vaccinated people in the United States, there were 7,101 hospitalizations and 1,507 deaths.

Such severe or deadly breakthrough infections in vaccinated people were much more likely to occur in older people. CDC reported that 74% of those cases were in people over 65.

It's not clear if that's because people over 65 were first in line to be vaccinated and therefore their immunity might be waning over time, or if because of their age their immune systems are less robust.

Among people 18 and over, approximately 32% of all vaccinated breakthrough cases were in immunocompromised individuals, compared with approximately 11% of unvaccinated cases.

The CDC's advisory committee will meet again Aug. 24 to discuss incoming data about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines, enduring immunity and the possible need for booster doses.

The pandemic, said Noymer, appears far from over.

"We should say we're in the throes of a pandemic, not that we're in the middle of it," he said. "The middle of something implies that we're halfway there, and I don't know that that's true."

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: New COVID cases in US soar 700% week-over-week since July 1, CDC says

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on August 14, 2021, 12:17:48 PM
Wining and dining Fox, 

https://tinyurl.com/2jfy26b2

"When thousands of Florida seniors were waiting in long lines for a Covid-19 vaccine this past January, Fox News and Gov. Ron DeSantis were plotting to broadcast a public vaccination event exclusively on the network in order to boost the governor's image. And according to an exposé by the Tampa Bay Times, which obtained emails between the network and governor's office, that is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the cozy relationship between DeSantis and Fox News.

The Tampa Bay Times examined 1,250 pages of email correspondence between Fox and DeSantis's office that show the close relationship the governor has with the network. During the broadcast of the vaccination event, DeSantis made comments and jokes as a 100-year-old veteran of World War II got his first dose. Beforehand, DeSantis's office provided talking points.

The network's love for the governor was so strong, Fox shows asked DeSantis to appear on the network 113 times, almost once a day, between the 2020 election and the end of February 2021.

According to the records the paper obtained, DeSantis most frequently appears on morning and primetime Fox News shows — eight times with Sean Hannity, six with Tucker Carlson, and seven with Laura Ingraham within the first six months of this year —  and has avoided requests to appear with hosts like Bret Baier and Chris Wallace, who might ask him tougher questions.

DeSantis's office has even supplied the network with graphics to use during the governor's interviews on air. In one instance, when DeSantis appeared on a show guest hosted by Maria Bartiromo, the network displayed a graphic adapted from the governor's office without disclosing its origins. Fox said to the Tampa Bay Times: "Like all news organizations, we conduct pre-interviews with guests to ensure preparedness for the segment. This is a common practice in television and is not unique to FOX News."

And, of course, there was DeSantis's infamous signing of a voter suppression bill this past May where the governor's office only invited Fox & Friends to carry the event, blocking all other media from entering. At the time, the network denied coordinating with the governor's office for the exclusive, but emails from earlier in the year show producers were eager to get "exclusives" with DeSantis. It's a bill perfectly tailored for Fox News's conservative audience, which is likely why he signed it in front of Fox's cameras only. After the event, he said he was "happy to give [Fox News] the exclusive on that."

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 15, 2021, 12:46:25 PM
Govs DeSantis and Abbott both mass murderers like Trump, IMO.
Because of the low vaccination rate in 7(?) states the child hospitalization rate is WAY up. Unvaccinated taking the virus to the kids. Shameful. 

https://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article?id=2021:newsml_KBN2FF0EX:4

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on August 15, 2021, 01:38:44 PM
You're right; they don't care unless it helps them in their money-grabbing power trips! In Texas, they're combining two scapegoats by saying that the increase in Covid isn't due to being unvaccinated or not wearing masks. They proclaim it's due to illegals!?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on August 15, 2021, 08:24:32 PM
An eighth-grader died one day after having Covid, the fifth Mississippi child while the Mississippi governor couldn't remember any child's death while reiterating that the worst a child could get was the sniffles. After being told there were five current fatalities, he still insisted masking was a personal, not required choice.

Classes began in the Smith County School District, where she attended school, on August 6. Unlike last year when Gov. Tate Reeves mandated masks in all public schools, the district decided in June that it would 'allow' students and educators to bring face masks to school but would not require them.

However, as students and employees in the school district tested positive within the first three days of classes, the school district reversed course.

'After much consideration for the welfare of our children, Smith County Schools will require all personnel and students to wear a mask,' the district announced on August 10.

By Friday, at least 76 students and 11 educators had tested positive; 411 students and 11 educators were quarantined by that point.

The state's only pediatric hospital, the Children's of Mississippi, announced earlier this week that it is at full capacity, including with children in pediatric ICU beds and on ventilators for life support.

RE: Microsoft News
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on August 19, 2021, 03:46:03 PM
"Republican Texas Governor Greg Abbott, whose handling of the pandemic in his state has drawn widespread criticism, has come under even more intense scrutiny since testing positive for the virus on Tuesday.
And now, prominent ICU doctor and NBC medical news analyst Vin Gupta is calling out the governor's response to his own diagnosis in a tweet, seen below.

After repeatedly downplaying the virus and actively thwarting efforts to contain the pandemic in his state, the fully vaccinated governor has demanded and received the most aggressive treatment available--despite having an asymptomatic case of the virus.

In his tweet, Gupta issued a pointed warning to Texans of every stripe as he called out the blasé governor's "anxious and scared" response to his own diagnosis.

"Quickly getting access to monoclonal antibody therapy when you're the fully vaccinated, asymptomatic Governor of Texas shows just how anxious and scared @GregAbbott_TX actually is of a virus that he constantly downplays."
"Hope Texans take note."
Abbott recently banned mask and vaccine mandates despite soaring case loads and several hospital systems in Texas being close to collapse, even going so far as to go to court to ensure the bans pass.

In addition to his ban on mask and vaccines mandates, Abbott also signed an executive order last month to combat Texas's skyrocketing virus case numbers by cracking down on illegal immigrants supposedly bringing the virus over the border, a popular right-wing conspiracy theory with no factual basis.

Even if the theory were true, Abbott's executive order, which is illegal under federal law, comes just months after Abbott rejected federal aid from the Biden Administration aimed at providing testing for migrants at the Texas-Mexico border.

Meanwhile, Abbott, who was photographed at a crowded Republican event without a mask less than 24 hours before his diagnosis, has reportedly told friends he has received a third dose of the vaccine. Texas's vaccination rate lags well behind the national average.

As Gupta rightly pointed out, Abbott's response to his own diagnosis bears no resemblance to the way he has handled the pandemic in Texas, and Gupta's words inspired no shortage of outrage towards the governor."

And...   Children aren't immune    https://tinyurl.com/5sfns6hs




Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 07, 2021, 11:24:30 AM
And talk of Gov Abbott. Damn Texas Legislature: Abbott signed an almost 100% ban on abortions. My views on abortion have not changed in 50 years-I don't think it is about fetus but about control over women period.

Plus if you don't like abortions go to the facility and adopt a woman and her unborn. Pay everything for them both until the baby is 18 years old. If you won't do that shut up!

I have named the Texas legislature the US Taliban. I have e-mailed Abbot saying this.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 19, 2021, 11:48:33 AM
I live in an area where we have an HOA. The Rules & Regulations committee to meet at my house. I asked for all who come to have proof of Vaccine and to wear a mask. One woman responded:
"I am German and know understand how Jews felt during WWll"

 Can you believe the idiocy?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on September 19, 2021, 11:54:53 AM
QuoteI live in an area where we have an HOA. The Rules & Regulations committee to meet at my house. I asked for all who come to have proof of Vaccine and to wear a mask. One woman responded:
"I am German and know understand how Jews felt during WWll"

 Can you believe the idiocy?

Yes, it used to amaze me, even more, when they thought they were being cute. Now, nothing amazes me anymore. Horse dewormer, bleach drinking, and now drinking iodine? Just to avoid a quick arm jab and a lick of sense?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 23, 2021, 11:51:02 AM
Alaska limiting health care as hospital are over whelmed:

https://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article?id=2021:newsml_KBN2GJ03X:1
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on September 23, 2021, 11:57:31 AM
I saw that and posted it in Covid. Power-hungry, empty-pocketed fools lead my state. While our hospitals are overrun, primary care rationed, people dying, thousands of new cases daily, the politicians continue to bleat about personal choice because the fringe fills those empty pockets!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on September 23, 2021, 12:22:38 PM
Speaking of that fringe, an article from The Conversation by Robert Pape, Professor of Political Science, University of Chicago

 "A recent Washington demonstration supporting those charged with crimes for the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol fizzled, with no more than 200 demonstrators showing up. The organizers had promised 700 people would turn out – or more.

But the threat from far-right insurrectionists is not over.

For months, my colleagues and I at the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats have been tracking insurrectionist sentiments in U.S. adults, most recently in surveys in June. We have found that 47 million American adults – nearly 1 in 5 – agree with the statement that "the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump and Joe Biden is an illegitimate president." Of those, 21 million also agree that "use of force is justified to restore Donald J. Trump to the presidency."

Our survey found that many of these 21 million people with insurrectionist sentiments have the capacity for violent mobilization. At least 7 million of them already own a gun, and at least 3 million have served in the U.S. military and so have lethal skills. Of those 21 million, 6 million said they supported right-wing militias and extremist groups, and 1 million said they are themselves or personally know a member of such a group, including the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys.

Extreme beliefs
This polling found that 9% of American adults say they agree with the statement that "Use of force is justified to restore Donald J. Trump to the presidency." And 25% of adults either strongly or somewhat agree with the statement that "The 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump and Joe Biden is an illegitimate president."

Overall, 8% of the survey participants share both of those views.

The margin of error of this survey was plus or minus 4 percentage points. So when calculating the number of the 258 million adult Americans who hold these views, we looked at the range of between 4% and 12% – which gave us between 10 million and 31 million. The best single figure is the middle of that range, 21 million.

People who said force is justified to restore Trump were consistent in their insurrectionist sentiments: Of them, 90% also see Biden as illegitimate, and 68% also think force may be needed to preserve America's traditional way of life.

The fringe moving into the mainstream
Combined with their military experience, gun ownership and connections to extremist groups and militias, this signals the existence of significant mainstream support in America for a violent insurrection.

This group of 21 million who agree both that force is justified to restore Trump and that Biden is an illegitimate president has two additional views that are also on the fringes of mainstream society:

63% agree with the statement that "African American people or Hispanic people in our country will eventually have more rights than whites" – a belief sometimes called "the Great Replacement."
54% agree that "A secret group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles is ruling the US government," which is the key belief in the QAnon movement.
Some people with insurrectionist sentiments hold one of these political views but not the other, suggesting there are multiple ways of thinking that lead a person toward the insurrectionist movement.

Broader support
This latest research reinforces our previous findings, that the Jan. 6 insurrection represents a far more mainstream movement than earlier instances of right-wing extremism across the country. Those events, mostly limited to white supremacist and militia groups, saw more than 100 individuals arrested from 2015 to 2020. But just 14% of those arrested for their actions on Jan. 6 are members of those groups. More than half are business owners or middle-aged white-collar professionals, and only 7% are unemployed.

There is no way to say for sure when – or even whether – these insurrectionists will take action. On Jan. 6, it took clear direction from Donald Trump and other political leaders to turn these dangerous sentiments into a violent reality. But the movement itself is larger and more complex than many people might like to think."

https://tinyurl.com/n3s2xk6n

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 09, 2021, 12:32:28 PM
I am in the process of reading: Peril by Woodward & Costa.

Trump's craziness is worse than I imagined. We were at Peril so much of the time. Awful, awful man.

Woodward is a wonderful writer and makes this reading easy and insightful. I highly recommend the book.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on October 10, 2021, 01:55:08 PM


Glad to heat that that book "peril" is so good ,
dig!  I will try to get it on books on disc....

So much terrible news is coming forth about
trumps yeARS  in the Whitehouse,  the problems that
he has caused  along with his hopes of taking over
the government again in 2024. 

It is so up setting to me that I have stopped listening
to the news.  I just check in a couple times a day
to see what is going on... and then spend my days
watching Netflix, Prime, hulu and othe shows
on demand.   

At least I have a choice of what passes thru my brain,
and I can skip what I don't like.   

Otherwise all is well here for me and I am
grateful for for the good things I have and the
bad things that have passed me by,  so far!!   

Hope you all are happy and well!

Sandy   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on December 25, 2021, 10:01:55 AM
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Merry Christmas,
Everyone!!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on December 25, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on January 22, 2022, 09:23:03 PM
The Supreme court ruled against President Biden's vaccine mandate for large businesses. Shortly afterward, Starbucks announced its 200,000 employees at 9 000 locations would no longer be required to get vaccinated or submit to weekly testing. I'm fully vaccinated and bolstered, but Starbucks is no longer on my shopping list. We have over a thousand new cases daily, and the Midwest isn't any better. Would you shop there?

How many other businesses see this as a free pass?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on April 26, 2022, 01:11:02 PM
So much going on since Jan.
Covid for the most part on the wane but it does rear its ugly head once in a while.
I had my 2nd booster. Arm very sore for 24 hours but no other symptoms. My Neighbor who went with me had 101* temp and chills but is now alright.
Many arrested for 6 Jan insurrection and several have been found guilty.
Trump found in contempt of court orders and is to pay $10,000/day until he turns over requested documents.
I think Biden is doing a good job and I like the way he is handling the Ukraine awful, awful situation.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on April 26, 2022, 02:30:20 PM
Friday, the 27th, I have my second booster and fourth shot. Covid is lessening the severity, but there are four new variations so far from Omicron. If you're vaccinated and boostered, you may still have a mild case if you're in the noted three percent possible. If you're not vaccinated, good luck. This city is in the low range for the first time since March 2021 but is still under almost the same lockdown.

I agree about Biden; his jobs, infrastructure, and other bills target items long ignored or exacerbated by past presidents. Naysayers tend to run to course, complaining about him personally or ignoring his successes rather than come clean about their own agenda.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on April 26, 2022, 03:26:27 PM
Please join in! The more, the merrier! Bubble suggested a quiz and gave me a few suggestions. The same rules apply. Two questions per person and remember I'm in a different time zone so won't be always as fast to answer as you might wish. I hope everyone enjoys the quiz and that it might induce others to bring their own quizzes, games, and riddles to play!

https://www.seniorsandfriends.org/index.php?msg=216908

Title: Re: Politics
Post by: RAMMEL on April 27, 2022, 09:46:24 AM
Vice President Kamala Harris tests positive for COVID-19
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on May 04, 2022, 08:18:41 AM


Now that they are opening up and
people are getting together,  more and
more are testing positive for Covid,  but
fortunately if they have had their shorts,
their cases are milder..  Some hardly even
know that they have it.   

My worry...
 
I wonder if women are still going to be able
to vote in the future.  But worst of all,  I
wonder if women really care all that much if
they are "allowed" to vote or not. 

Back when we couldn't women all got together
and fought for that right.   It meant something
to everyone.   

 
 
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on May 04, 2022, 12:45:29 PM
We've gotten too complacent, and those wanting to control everyone and everything for their own reasons and not the people have conspired, schemed, and come in under the radar.

At this stage, who hasn't had Covid? The real news is that unvaccinated people have a 1.21 chance of catching a worse case and perhaps dying from it, while those vaccinated, perhaps 0.3-0.4%, might still catch a mild case that and is less than from the polio vaccine.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 27, 2022, 02:15:18 PM
We have had another massive school shooting. Nothing has been done by R/D re: gun laws. Legislators say they care but they don't, IMO.
The one thing BIDEN could do right now is by Presidential Proclamation: LOCK down all schools (who receive Fed $) as soon as school starts each morning. Entry only in extreme emergency. At least this shooter could not have got into the school.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on May 28, 2022, 11:12:49 AM
Just awful. I read the school was locked but a teacher had propped  open a doo and this is where the shooter entered. I have checked around my town and schools are locked. So --so much for my suggestion!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 05, 2023, 02:56:58 PM
No one posting here since May 22.

So much has happened in the US political world. Nr. Trump has 37++ indictments and now there is a call to pre-trial detain him for his attacks on everyone who opposes him. I am all for throwing the crook in jail while awaiting his MANY trials.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 05, 2023, 05:34:31 PM
Interesting read:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/we-re-watching-the-largest-and-most-dangerous-cult-in-american-history-neuroscientist-opinion/ar-AA1eQfQr?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=1ec916e1f33b41e0a32a5f664a2b7c06&ei=37
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Astro on August 06, 2023, 06:46:03 AM
Indeed, it is an interesting read.  The ongoing turmoil.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 06, 2023, 11:04:32 AM
Hi Astro, This used to be a very active site especially when we were Senior Net! I am into politics. Are you?
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Astro on August 06, 2023, 09:45:24 PM
Hello Diglady.   It's nice meeting you.  I do recall the Version One of the Seniors site. I was there too.  I'm not into politics that deeply, but I do try to stay abreast of current events.  It's hard to believe the lack of civility in many of today's conversations, especially since the Trump era. Low blows now seem to be the norm. 
Stay well.  Astro
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: phyllis on August 07, 2023, 11:08:10 AM
I like to keep up with current events, also, even if I end up yelling at the tv.  I had to impose a rule for myself...I never discuss religion or politics with anyone outside of the family and only very rarely with family. It always leads to hurt feelings and in some cases, lost friendships.

That doesn't mean that I don't have an opinion and my opinion now is that I feel like Diogenes searching for an honest man, or woman, and deciding that they no longer exist.  Especially in politics.

Yes, I have grown cynical in my old age.   :(
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on August 07, 2023, 01:00:52 PM
I have very emotional feelings about politics, so much so that I've had to take a break and step away. My sister is the same way, and you can get depressed when you see what's happening.

What's amazing to me is this has all been accurately predicted before, scientifically and not by a doomsday cult, and of course, no one listened; climate change, mass immigration due to weather issues, food shortages, and the rise of fascism.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 07, 2023, 01:09:52 PM
I am so glad to see all of you posting here.
IMO, these are very scary times.
So many of our citizens are not educated/aware/knowledgeable about fascism/authoritarian government. They seem to look to a person not a party platform/belief for their guidance. And therefore are accepting of the big lie and the person behind the lie.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Astro on August 07, 2023, 04:39:20 PM
Much of it stems from the hatred of the opposite Party's  position, and not only their candidates. 

As I have grown older I'm less concerned about offending a relative or friend with my political views, however I'm not intentionally rude.  ;)   
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on August 07, 2023, 06:38:26 PM
That is very rare nowadays to be able to disagree civilly. It almost seems you may be attacked verbally and physically if you vote for an opposite opinion.

Politics today has proven to be a minefield.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 08, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Astro you mention hatred for the opposition party.
I admit to being a long term Republican who has now become fearful of the GOP.
Trump carried Hitler's 1939 blueprint almost to the letter.
Cause distrust in Post office-especially at voting time!
Cause distrust in all federal agencies. Deregulate as many as you can
LIE, Name call, Attack and cause distrust of the news media (Fake news)
Attack with troops -- Think Portland
Welcome the right wing extremist.
Lie some more
Show hatred for minority groups-lesbians, blacks, Jews et al And the list goes on.
I think we are in fearful times
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Astro on August 08, 2023, 04:56:11 PM
Hello again diglady 

Yes, The similarities to Germany circa 1939 are stunning, and the GOP of Reagan and Eisenhower that we were used to is not the current day GOP at all.  I too have grave concerns of what may be ahead.  Over the years in past elections I've voted for both parties.  No way could I even consider voting GOP since being hijacked by Trump.  One can hope the He's not the nominee but that appears doubtful.  We need candidates who put the countries best interest first, not their own. Shame on Trump and this present GOP. 

Stay well.  Astro
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on August 08, 2023, 07:58:53 PM
I was also one who used to vote independently. Now you can no longer do so, and I vote even though I may not care for any of the candidates.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 09, 2023, 10:51:22 AM
Is Trump a fascist?:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-labor-secretary-robert-reich-answers-the-question-is-donald-trump-a-fascist/ar-AA1f0A7K?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0fe6534bf6cf48d0940d7248f12315e6&ei=75
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on August 17, 2023, 08:47:04 PM

Hi everyone!!

Good to see you all out here posting ...
I had to stop because I used to get so upset. 

And now I am still upset  but choose not to talk about it. 

I am very concerned that our Country is in a lot of
trouble especially if Trrump gets into office again.

I can't even imagine that happening again... 
But stranger things keep happening..  So,  who
knows. 

Hi Cherie!!

Good to see you again .

I hope all are well and happy in spite of the
horror of the politics here in the USA...

Hugs to all
Sandy  (use to be dapphne ::) )
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tomereader1 on August 28, 2023, 08:34:26 PM
Was going to send you a message on the night of the "debates", LOL!  But my computer would not let me type anything in. Poor thing is on its last legs.  Anyway, did you watch the debates, and what did you think?It's probably not your political party anyway, but just getting feed back.
I usually start striking candidates off my list with this first debate, with more later on.  I was surprised by a couple of them, but they're both in the lower eschelon and not polling at all well!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on August 30, 2023, 11:50:16 AM
No I did not watch debate. I heard Niki Haley did well. There is no way I can vote for anyone in the so called Republican Party until Trump is entirely out of the picture. It has gone off the rails and is following the fascist ideology. There is no more GOP. IMO trump followers are uneducated and sick. They don't believe how evil to this country he is. I believe in the Constitution and he wants to destroy it. Also he wants to dismantle all Federal agencies. Oh My the list goes on and is too horrible.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tomereader1 on August 30, 2023, 03:46:33 PM
Yes, Nikki did pretty well. That smug little Vivek, looks like a poster boy for dental implants!

Where did my Conservative Rep. Party go to?  The Dems could run Lenin and probably win since polls show Biden with low favorability, and these so-called Republicans, bah humbug.  I'm just wondering why Chris Christi gets so much "hate".  Most qualified guy in the bunch.

Glad you emailed diglady.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: RAMMEL on August 30, 2023, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: Tomereader1 on August 30, 2023, 03:46:33 PMI'm just wondering why Chris Christi gets so much "hate".  Most qualified guy in the bunch.
That's how they beat him - Build up hate or bring charges - whether true or not.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on September 03, 2023, 02:31:49 PM
Did you see this?::
Neo Nazi march and rant "we are everywhere":
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/neo-nazis-march-through-florida-park/ar-
AA1g9CHA?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8addf189fae44226ab47ea74345c9748&ei=27

Republicans (Trump) seem to endorse them. 

makes me think I should go out and buy a gun!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tomereader1 on September 27, 2023, 04:06:35 PM
Well, some more blathering going to happen on TV tonight.  If they just wouldn't talk "over" each other and let the other person finish a thought. Since there's been nothing on TV due to the writer's strike, this will almost be a welcome change.  Sometimes I wish I could just slap someone silly, to shut them up.  Bring the popcorn, see you at TV debate. LOL
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 01, 2023, 01:10:22 PM
I did not watch the 'debate'. I just knew it would be a lot of bullish hate and lies. I like Biden but he is old (not as old as me!) I would like to see a younger man or woman run. I like Newsome. Not going to happen tho. Even after all the lushed Trump is still circling the drain! Hope the flush is completed soon!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: RAMMEL on October 01, 2023, 05:05:00 PM
What a lovely post.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 08, 2023, 07:04:36 PM
Well finally Trump has spoken truth. He hates everyone who is NOT for him Kill them. He even speaks in Hitler's jargon. What an evil, evil man--and I hesitate to call him man-monster is better!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Sandy on October 13, 2023, 03:13:17 PM


I agree Dig.... 

The "End of Trump" will be a
much better day for me.

Have a good day everyone!
Sandy!


Title: Re: Politics
Post by: Tomereader1 on October 14, 2023, 01:44:22 PM
Was watching C-Span a bit ago, and I think I've found my candidate...Sen.Tim Scott.  He was doing a speech thing in New Hampshire.  He speaks really well and touches on things of importance, which we can't hear because of all the prattle during the Debates, and the fact that the moderators don't call on him as much as they do DeSantis and "Vivisection".
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on October 15, 2023, 01:15:54 PM
As long as Trump is in the political picture I will NOT vote for any republican. The GOP is no more. All the party seems to go for is Autocracy/dictatorship/slash Constitution. They no longer believe in the USA. I called the Party Hq. and asked about the party platform. Response: Reelect Trump! NOT on your nellie!!
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: patricia19 on October 15, 2023, 03:09:41 PM
That's why they've earned the nickname in lower case, repugs.
Title: Re: Politics
Post by: diglady on December 02, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
Wish I had the money to run a full page ad in newspaper that says:
Mr. Trump
Shut up
You are boring.